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Boot Camp Problems.

Gav Mack said:
Correct. Apple crippled the boot process for windows sadly to the old style IDE mode with a max 4 total devices. You can modify this after you have setup windows 7 so windows will see your SATA optical.
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oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh. snap. that fits occam's razor and everything. Suddenly solutions come within reach.

Ok so on the topic of the USB boot thing. I assume that on snow leopard i have to modify that file in the resource package to force it to allow me to do a usb key install? Beyond that is there a precise walkthrough/guide for doing this. Because I tried yesterday with an 8 gb microsd card in a usb adaptor as described and the damn thing will not see it. I also issues with rEFIit that the guide recommended to install.
 
fifthmanstandin said:
oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh. snap. that fits occam's razor and everything. Suddenly solutions come within reach.

Ok so on the topic of the USB boot thing. I assume that on snow leopard i have to modify that file in the resource package to force it to allow me to do a usb key install? Beyond that is there a precise walkthrough/guide for doing this. Because I tried yesterday with an 8 gb microsd card in a usb adaptor as described and the damn thing will not see it. I also issues with rEFIit that the guide recommended to install.
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Think there is some instructions for OSX and disk utility to make a Windows 7 usb in this sub forum. I have always used the Windows tool to do it though, more reliable as I've done dozens of bootcamp setups for clients. Think you will need a genuine usb stick and not a micro card that goes through an adapter for booting it properly though.

Or an external drive usb enclosure that supports your SATA optical drive and OSX boot which is dependant on the enclosure itself.

Or an IDE drive. If you were in the South London area you can have one out of my scrap pile for nothing!
 
AidenShaw said:
No, just tell us which (if any) lines are highlighted. You could also do the "Perform Tests" and run the "Short test" (a couple of minutes). That will do a good diagnostic of the disk ("Long test" is the short test plus a full surface scan, and can take hours).Re-check the attributes after the short test.
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Ok so I finished the zero'ing, burnt and booted the disc. When I got to select the disc at the EFI screen I have two options: the mac hard drive and a cd icon labeled 'windows'. It is not reading the disc. If I click 'windows' it goes to a white screen w/ apple logo that alternates between a file folder with a question mark and a circle with a line through it. I'm assuming this is proof positive of Gav Mack's bringing to light the issue with the dvd drive.

Gav Mack said:
If you were in the South London area you can have one out of my scrap pile for nothing!
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If only!

Ok genuine USB stick. Now I've heard that some work better than others for making windows bootable drives, something to do with onboard program installs that startup when it's plugged in. I dunno. It has to be at least like 8 gb right?
 
fifthmanstandin said:
Ok so I finished the zero'ing, burnt and booted the disc. When I got to select the disc at the EFI screen I have two options: the mac hard drive and a cd icon labeled 'windows'. It is not reading the disc. If I click 'windows' it goes to a white screen w/ apple logo that alternates between a file folder with a question mark and a circle with a line through it. I'm assuming this is proof positive of Gav Mack's bringing to light the issue with the dvd drive.



If only!

Ok genuine USB stick. Now I've heard that some work better than others for making windows bootable drives, something to do with onboard program installs that startup when it's plugged in. I dunno. It has to be at least like 8 gb right?
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The white screen is the apple EFI screen, the black is bios legacy mode. The EFI sees your optical but screen can't go black as legacy cannot detect it.

No chance of removing an IDE optical out of an old PC anywhere? Even down the recycling centre? You will only need it for less than an hour tops, though with owning a 3,1 I would keep one stored for these occasions!

I use only sandisk cruzer 8gb usb drives - they work every time! Done nearly as many bootcamps as a drill instructor so I use all the right tools!
 
Gav Mack said:
No chance of removing an IDE optical out of an old PC anywhere? Even down the recycling centre? You will only need it for less than an hour tops, though with owning a 3,1 I would keep one stored for these occasions!
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Thing is I trashed half a dozen systems when I moved here about six months ago. So all of my backstock of parts is gone. Funny thing is my room mate has one in his computer but he's being very difficult right now regardless of the fact that I'm the person that built the system for him. lol. some people. I'm going to call around some people and see if anyone can part with one for a while.
 
Gav Mack said:
So I won't be able to get a suitable flash drive from a friend until a few hours from now.Turned up a loss on ide drives. Is there a quality guide you can recommend for creating a bootable usb drive for installing windows? Everything I'm seeing on google looks questionable.
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I know you said you'd have problems finding a Windows system, but here are the instructions from Microsoft.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj200124.aspx

The last step "12.When you finish preparing your custom image, save it to the root of the USB flash drive." is very simple - just drag and drop the entire Windows DVD onto the root of the USB.

Video in case you want to watch.

Dennis Chung, an IT Pro Evangelist at Microsoft, demonstrates how easy it is to prepare a USB thumb drive and use it to install Windows 7.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/video/installing-win7-using-a-usb-stick.aspx
 
AidenShaw said:
Do the Apple disk utilities display S.M.A.R.T. info? There's an error log on the drive itself which is far more useful than exercising the drive.

If not, grab "Hiren's BootCD" from the link at http://www.hirensbootcd.org/download/

Burn the CD and boot from it - select "Linux based rescue environment" from the first menu, and just hit return to take the defaults from the second menu.

When the desktop appears, double-click the "Disk Health" app icon on the desktop.

Select the disk drive in the app window by single-clicking it.

From the "Device" menu select "View Details", then select the "Attributes" tab. This shows you the device errors and status. If a line is highlighted in red, worry about that. If you hover over the names of the attributes a balloon popup will explain what it means.

You can also run the disks built-in tests.
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Drive Dx will do the same thing more conveniently. Add the SatSMART driver to have it see USB and FW.
 
fifthmanstandin said:
Ok so if I'm reading this right, download this:

http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/

set it to disc image, point it at the applicable disc image, set the second part to point at the usb drive and it creates a bootable usb drive?

and then shut down, plug in the drive, start it up, hold alt, select the usb drive and it should boot it as thought it were a windows cd and install normally?
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Unetbootin works for some things but not others. Will be interested to hear if it works for a Windows installer. Also at the end of the process it is likely to give you a message that the USB stick will not boot a Mac, but advice is to ignore this it may still work.
 
Mike Boreham said:
Unetbootin works for some things but not others. Will be interested to hear if it works for a Windows installer. Also at the end of the process it is likely to give you a message that the USB stick will not boot a Mac, but advice is to ignore this it may still work.
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So would you recommend another program? Reason I ask is that I'm grabbing a 32gb flash drive on loan and I don't want to brick it nor do I want to make this take longer than need be. lol.
 
fifthmanstandin said:
Ok so if I'm reading this right, download this:

http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/

set it to disc image, point it at the applicable disc image, set the second part to point at the usb drive and it creates a bootable usb drive?

and then shut down, plug in the drive, start it up, hold alt, select the usb drive and it should boot it as thought it were a windows cd and install normally?
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I have never tried those methods, I would much prefer you duct tape your flat mate to his chair and use his optical drive as best choice or the windows tool on his PC to create the usb drive as second option!
 
Mike Boreham said:
Drive Dx will do the same thing more conveniently. Add the SatSMART driver to have it see USB and FW.
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That looks like a great tool.

Hiren's BootCD does have the advantage of being able to check a hosed boot drive, which an Apple OSX app won't be able to do (without alternate boot or moving the drive).

Hiren's page also has instructions for making a bootable USB thumb drive.
 
Gav Mack said:
I have never tried those methods, I would much prefer you duct tape your flat mate to his chair and use his optical drive as best choice or the windows tool on his PC to create the usb drive as second option!
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So quite literally through a snow storm I hunted someone down and procured a Samsung DVD Master 16E Model SD-616, IDE drive with a manufacture date of September 2003. It has a dvd rom logo on the front bezel. Get back home from the driving snow and wind, plug it in, light comes on just fine. Go to system profiler. Does not show under 'disc burning'.

I plug it in, pop in a burnt dvd, light starts flashing, I hear it spinning. After about five minutes. Nothing. So either the drive itself is bad or something. Sigh.

And alas I went to another friend's place in the driving snow and of course they claimed to know where said 32 gb flash drive was but after 30 minutes of searching came up with a loss and probably no intention to find it. Sigh.
 
You guys will not believe this. Out of nowhere my original DVD drive started working. I triedIt three times earlier today with no luck. After the new ide drive failed I yelled at it a lot and I guess it was sitting at just the right magical angle or something but damb if it didn't boot the windows drive and I'm looking at the windows 7 installer now. Hopefully it will survive until the end. I'll pop the snow leopard disc in after and install the drivers. With that out of the way how do I go about fixing windows so that the SATA DVD drive boots fine on windows? As I understood it there was some problem about the SATA DVD drive operating in windows?
 
AidenShaw said:
Hiren's BootCD does have the advantage of being able to check a hosed boot drive, which an Apple OSX app won't be able to do (without alternate boot or moving the drive).

Hiren's page also has instructions for making a bootable USB thumb drive.
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Good points and useful to know. I will have a look at it.

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fifthmanstandin said:
So would you recommend another program?
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Hope the DVD held out, but the answer to your question is no I can't recommend one.

If there was a reliable convenient way of doing this it would be widely known by now.

If you Google around this you find people who clim success with methods and tools beyond my comfort zone (because they carry risks of not being able to boot Mac side) but they are few and far between.
 
fifthmanstandin said:
You guys will not believe this. Out of nowhere my original DVD drive started working. I triedIt three times earlier today with no luck. After the new ide drive failed I yelled at it a lot and I guess it was sitting at just the right magical angle or something but damb if it didn't boot the windows drive and I'm looking at the windows 7 installer now. Hopefully it will survive until the end. I'll pop the snow leopard disc in after and install the drivers. With that out of the way how do I go about fixing windows so that the SATA DVD drive boots fine on windows? As I understood it there was some problem about the SATA DVD drive operating in windows?
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Relieved that did start working for you. You will have to perform the AHCI mod which I posted the link for further back to get all the SATA ports active for the sleds. All the instructions are there and the OSX app to patch the mbr too are on one of the last posts done by me. You'll need the latest rst driver I will post the link for it later cos there is a bug >2tb drives with the older one.

AHCI Mod thread

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/760482/

The latest bug free RST driver for the 3,1 is 64bit Intel RST AHCI/RAID Driver v10.1.0.1008 WHQL which is here.

http://www.win-raid.com/t2f23-Intel-R-RST-RSTe-Drivers-actual-v-Beta-v-WHQL.html

I just install the driver package myself rather than also the RST application which takes a long time to start up and eats resources. Once you have modded the MBR and got the standard AHCI driver working right click in device manager and update just the driver manually. After reboot it will appear as an Intel ESB2 SATA AHCI Controller and you will have SATA 2 instead of ATA-133 and access to all four sled ports.
 
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