Boot OS 9 on new PowerMacs?

[Wash!!]

Get over it an move on

It's time to join the 21th century if your company does not want to upgrade and move forward them they will go the way of the dinosaur.

 

[CTan]

Rough Timeframes for Switching

In reply to company upgrades...


We want to upgrade to OS X, say when Quark comes out with a reliable client. But we don't want to just drop everything and jump into X, we want to make sure that it is going to work with everything & everyone we have.

It takes 1 hour to update & train 1 station to OS X.
It takes 1 month to update & maintain & train 10 stations switching to OS X.
It takes 6 months to 1 year to update & maintain & train 100 stations (at 5 different sites) switching to OS X.

And it would be a whole lot easier if there was a "Network Assistant" for OS X, which it has not been written for.

 

[Hugh]

Re: Why stay with 9? Crazy Humans.

Fail to see, how this (Booting OS 9 on the new machines) even effects you.

You say you don't want to upgrade.. Then don't. If OS 9 works for you, great. Stay with your current machines. The only way this issue even effects you is you where planning on buying a new machine. Which in your message, you have no plans on doing.

The only way I can see how this will effect you, is if the software you are working with is no longer supported because it moved on to OS X, and then it would only if use some new file format or something differnt. That wouldn't allow it to play nice with OS 9 versions.

But if that happened, then it just might be time to get new machines.

-Hugh

Originally posted by CTan
You asked why someone would want to stay with OS 9?

Answer...

Because your company can't afford to replace every computer that isn't a high-end G3 or G4. (i tried installing X on a G3 DT and it was not fun and still isn't working right).

Because X doesn't support every scanner that 9 does.

Because your company has employees that don't want to learn a new opperating system, and will fight tooth and nail to do anything but that.

Because it cost money. Money to update machines. Money to pay for training. Time to pay for training. Money to pay for people to work while the others are training. Money for new programs.

Because there are still a number of old shareware and freeware programs that OS X hasn't copied over yet.



hope that helped answer the question.

 

[Hugh]

Confusion on topic

The last time I checked the topic here was 'Booting OS 9 on new machines'. What differnce does it make if OS 9 is dead or not?

They once said that Linux couldn't be done on the Mac. Guess what, it has and being done. So why can't someone who wants to use OS 9 for what ever reason he/she wants, use it.

Who cares if it's a dead OS or not... This whole discusion of OS 9 vs OS X is pointless to me. If the developers decide that they don't want to support OS 9 any more (Note: I'm not saying they are). Then you are stuck with what you got. Either you stay with software you have with OS 9, or you move on to OS X.


If you want to boot in OS 9, then either stay with the Mac you have or get an older one that can. Or if someone can confirm that the new machines in deed can boot in 9 with some help of the ROM file in OS 9. Granted that I know if you are to boot into OS 9, most likely you will not get any Firewire 800 support. So what, at least you got what you wanted. A machine that can boot into OS 9. Even if it's in a hard around about way of doing it.


Just my thoughts.

-Hugh

 

[john123]

Re: Get over it an move on

Originally posted by Wash!!
It's time to join the 21th century if your company does not want to upgrade and move forward them they will go the way of the dinosaur.

Ugh, how incredibly naive. You think if a company doesn't move to OS X that it will go out of business?

Give me a friggin' break. Not only does the upgrade cost money -- both in and of itself, due to increased hardware demands, due to the need to train employees in the new OS, due to the increased support demands -- but you make the fundamental assumption that the OS has anything to do WHATSOEVER with company success.

 

[Gringo]

Totally agree with John123... a company does not go out of business because of the OS they use... if for that all the mac users would be going out of business since we are the minority and you would have to say that everybody that does not use Win 2000 or XP will go out of business...

People and companies that would like to keep using 9 do it ofr good reasons... Now X is the future in the OS's, but not right now... When the older generations of Macs die (like me, iMac 266) there will be no more 9 and then 9 will die.

But pls don't tell me that you wouldn't like to see how 9 would work under a new pb 1,25mhz with a 17" screen???!!!!!! that woul be awsome... imagine that under my machine its fast and snapy......

G.-

 

[Wash!!]

I love it

when people get all twisted about some off beat comment. youy guys are sad.

the truth is do you see any company out there runing still win 3.1 or os 6. you have to move forward rembember change is good🙂

 

[Gringo]

you can't compare OS 6 and not even Win 3,1 to os 9....

 

[Wash!!]

No lo tomes tan en serio Gringo

You are missing the point...OS 9 as an OS is dead and I give another year maybe less untill is gone for good.

 

[CTan]

Number of people who actually own these comptuers?

So how many people actually own the computers who can only boot into X?

me = 0

Within 1 month = 1

Just curious to see who is doing the talking, and who is doing the walking.

 

[Wash!!]

Runing 2 years now

7600 (runs better than when it was on OS 9), G4, G3 blue and white any questions😉

 

[friction3000]

Re: Confusion on topic

Originally posted by Hugh
The last time I checked the topic here was 'Booting OS 9 on new machines'. What differnce does it make if OS 9 is dead or not?

Well, I agree with you on that. My OS9, despite its "death", seems to work fine.

If you want to boot in OS 9, then either stay with the Mac you have or get an older one that can. Or if someone can confirm that the new machines in deed can boot in 9 (...)

Well, so far, all the OS9 booting "tricks" have been debunked, and most knowledgable people really doubt if they will work; apparently it's disabled in the hardware.

i'm not sure what the point of your comment is, frankly. I already know what my options are. I'm just not happy with them. is your point "take what Apple gives you and don't complain?"

This is a reasonable place to complain about Apple's decision to disallow OS9 booting. i have stated my reasons in an earlier post.

 

[friction3000]

Re: Number of people who actually own these comptuers?

Originally posted by CTan
So how many people actually own the computers who can only boot into X?

me = 0

Within 1 month = 1

Just curious to see who is doing the talking, and who is doing the walking.

If the new PBs could be booted into OS9, I would be typing this on one right now. (oh wait... if they could do that, this thread wouldn't even exist... umm, you know what i mean.)

If went and looked at the Apple website and it said "Actually, they CAN boot OS9 reliably" I would take my credit card out of my wallet and order one RIGHT NOW.

Instead, my current plan is to wait until the new 15" PBs are released, and at that point buy an OLD 15" PB at a discount.

Apple, are you listening??? I am a loyal customer, looking forward to switching to X one day. In the meantime, I have work to do. Tons of work to do. And I do it in OS9. And I want a new computer. And I can afford one. But I'm not buying it, because it doesn't work right for me. Instead, i'll be buying an old machine.

think about it.

 

[friction3000]

Re: No lo tomes tan en serio Gringo

Originally posted by Wash!!
You are missing the point...OS 9 as an OS is dead and I give another year maybe less untill is gone for good.

All the people on this thread who have been complaining about how lousy OS9 is are not very helpful. I'm not just talking about Wash!! but the many others earlier.

For years, Mac users have had to defend their "minority" system, telling people that the Mac OS we are using actually works great and is better than Windows in many areas. in response, Windows users would say that you were partisan, and brainwashed by Apple.

Now that OSX is out, some Mac users are suddenly saying "oh, OS9 sucked".

You are making Mac users look bad and validating the complaints against the Mac.

and certainly making yourselves look bad.

 

[greenfruit]

For my part, i had no real problems with OS9 (quark aside) - we had an oS9 fileserver with a 350gig raid, serving 10 macs which had to be rebooted on average once every 2 months and crashed about 5 times over a year or so - but OSX is the way to go and im not bothered. I moved from OS6 to 7 through 8 and 9 and now onto X. Times change and technology moves on.
I used to have a C64, but I dont need one anymore.

The fileserver now BTW is an xserve with the 350ish gig raid attached and having 450ish gig internally, making about 3/4TB.

 

[daveg5]

there is a way

Back to subject, Seems their is a way as reported at wwa.macfixit.com search booting.
As you know many apps need to know that there is a previous booting version is avail to upgrade, ala Final Cut Pro, Well Apple has a work around for the 2003 15" Imac if you are a service provider(not sure if it works with the firewire 800 powermacs and powerbooks) To get the info you have to subscribe I read it last week and it is legit makes sense but is only sold to service providers.
So if anyone has a macfixit account please fill us in again.



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[john123]

Re: I love it

Originally posted by Wash!!
when people get all twisted about some off beat comment. youy guys are sad.

the truth is do you see any company out there runing still win 3.1 or os 6. you have to move forward rembember change is good🙂

Nope, but you will see a lot of companies still running Windows 2000. In fact, where I worked, we took XP off machines and installed Windows 2000 over it.

Sometimes, the OS one step back has major advantages over the purported "latest and greatest." In my opinion (and for my uses), that is an apt description of both Windows 2000 vs Windows XP and OS 9 vs OS X.

 

[john123]

Re: Re: Number of people who actually own these comptuers?

Originally posted by friction3000
If the new PBs could be booted into OS9, I would be typing this on one right now. (oh wait... if they could do that, this thread wouldn't even exist... umm, you know what i mean.)

If went and looked at the Apple website and it said "Actually, they CAN boot OS9 reliably" I would take my credit card out of my wallet and order one RIGHT NOW.

Instead, my current plan is to wait until the new 15" PBs are released, and at that point buy an OLD 15" PB at a discount.

Apple, are you listening??? I am a loyal customer, looking forward to switching to X one day. In the meantime, I have work to do. Tons of work to do. And I do it in OS9. And I want a new computer. And I can afford one. But I'm not buying it, because it doesn't work right for me. Instead, i'll be buying an old machine.

think about it.

I'm in much the same boat as you, my man. In fact, I'm one of those frequently-upgrading nuts...I have owned three of the four generations of the PowerBook G4 (including the 1Ghz model)...and I'd buy that 17" puppy -- if it booted 9.

But it doesn't, so I won't. And I won't buy one until X makes the appropriate strides so that I do not miss 9.