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Boot OS 9 on new PowerMacs?

Originally posted by Wry Cooter
Don't want to rain on your parade, but keep in mind that the reason OS X may be seeming to come to fruition fairly fast is because NextStep has been around since the motorola 68040 processor or earlier. And that slow gestation period for Copland itself in which BeOs went from cradle to grave probably didn't hurt matters either.
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no problem, technically OS X is even older than the 68040, as it's based on Mach 3 and BSD 4.4, which predate that even..

I meant that the switch to this platform is new for Apple, and has much more potential as these Unix foundations are far more powerful than OS 9 can ever be. I think with time, say a year or two more, and with the advent of newer, and much faster Mac's and 64bit apps, this will be a hard platform to beat.
 
Original Question???

Enough with the sidetracking...
does anybody have a solution for making a G4 shipping after Jan. dual bootable?

** By doing a find on the restore CD for invisible files you can find an image for OS9. you don't need tinkertools to find invisible files. THAT method of installing 9 does not work as stated previously.

I have heard it is the 100Mhz bus speed that is the problem. tried the drive on the 66Mhz bus same prob.

I have heard it is that the drive is set to cable select out of the box, put it to master still no luck.

Have replaced ROM file and system files from an older system. No luck.

Anyone have any answers that have SOMETHING to do with this topic?

...these new machines are not authorized by digidesign to run protools...Must...have...a...9...bootable...machine...Uhggg. must...make...machine...bootable.
 
I did all of the above without tinkertool
yes -you can open os general 9 images
yes-you can copy system folder to HD
but no matter what you do or how u do it
it aint gonna boot in 2003 FW800 G4..............................
people you have been successful doing this
are ones with 2002 Mdd G4 that will boot in to 9
as long as there is a 9 sywtem folder

I think this thing got started when the 2002 Duel G4 MDD's
shipped without a OS9.2.2 install disk

simply put
as of now there is NO HACK to boot new macs into 9..................
And probably will never be.
 
One of teh teachers at my school just got a brand new Mac G4, and is pissed! They have a bunch of old Cetrises and Quadras and old scanners and pronters. He says he has a UMAX scanner and he called thenm and they said it wasnt supported. Now he is very mad. He shoudl have got the Boot to OS 9 G4's on Apple's site. I think the school bought it. Oh well, I guess he will have to wait a couple more years for the school to give him new scanners and stuff... maybe he could return it for a OS 9 one...What do you guys think?
 
Scanner support

Originally posted by LimeiBook86
One of teh teachers at my school just got a brand new Mac G4, and is pissed! They have a bunch of old Cetrises and Quadras and old scanners and pronters. He says he has a UMAX scanner and he called thenm and they said it wasnt supported. Now he is very mad. He shoudl have got the Boot to OS 9 G4's on Apple's site. I think the school bought it. Oh well, I guess he will have to wait a couple more years for the school to give him new scanners and stuff... maybe he could return it for a OS 9 one...What do you guys think?
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There is a generic program called Gimp-Print which utilizes the CUPS architecture within OS X and let's printers that otherwise don't have drivers for X to work (most of the time).

There is also another program for scanners that don't have native OS X support called VueScan which, from what I hear, works with alot of older scanners. It isn't freeware, but if it does the job I'm sure your teacher won't mind throwing down the cash. ;)

Check out VersionTracker for downloads of both.
 
Scanner support

Originally posted by LimeiBook86
One of teh teachers at my school just got a brand new Mac G4, and is pissed! They have a bunch of old Cetrises and Quadras and old scanners and pronters. He says he has a UMAX scanner and he called thenm and they said it wasnt supported. Now he is very mad. He shoudl have got the Boot to OS 9 G4's on Apple's site. I think the school bought it. Oh well, I guess he will have to wait a couple more years for the school to give him new scanners and stuff... maybe he could return it for a OS 9 one...What do you guys think?
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There is a generic program called Gimp-Print which utilizes the CUPS architecture within OS X and let's printers that otherwise don't have drivers for X to work (most of the time).

There is also another program for scanners that don't have native OS X support called VueScan which, from what I hear, works with alot of older scanners. It isn't freeware, but if it does the job I'm sure your teacher won't mind throwing down the cash. ;)

Check out VersionTracker for downloads of both.
 
Sorry

Sorry for the double post, but the stupid system here won't let me delete my post! I clicked on it and hit delete post, but it said I didn't have adminstrator priviledges or couldn't delete someone else's. I'm logged in under my name, and this has happened to me before.

Once again, sorry!! :D
 
Originally posted by jac-smac
simply put
as of now there is NO HACK to boot new macs into 9..................
And probably will never be.
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Don't be so sure... hackers do much more complex things then booting unsupported systems. Check www.macfixit.com, it seems they did it. As for running a 3.000 $ unsupported machine... doesn't seem the best choice.

Quote:
Late-Breakers
ALERT: Booting Mac OS 9 on 2003 (Mac OS X only) Macs
After months of searching, it seems that we have finally found a solution for booting Mac OS 9 on Macs released after January 1, 2003 - which are designated as exclusively capable of booting Mac OS X by Apple.

Apple recently posted a new file to its private Apple Service Provider web page (accessible only by account-holding Apple technicians and resellers) titled "MacTest Pro for Power Mac G4 (March 2003) Version 7.8.1 supports all iMac (Flat Panel) 15 inch systems only."

The file is a CD image which can be downloaded and burned, then used as a startup disk. Testing in "Mac OS X-only" flat panel iMac system revealed that the image properly booted Mac OS 9.

Users can then copy a stripped-down Mac OS 9 system folder to their hard drive, and select it with the "Startup Disk" System Preferences pane, delivering a Mac OS 9 bootable internal disk.

It appears that a new MacOS ROM file (ver. 9.8.1) allows booting from the image.

Of course, this solution is only readily accessible by Mac service providers, but it shows that Mac OS 9 boots are not impossible on Apple's new machines. Also, please note that Mac OS 9 startup was not tested on any machines other than the 2003 flat-panel iMac.
 
Originally posted by Pedro Estarque
Don't be so sure... hackers do much more complex things then booting unsupported systems. Check www.macfixit.com, it seems they did it. As for running a 3.000 $ unsupported machine... doesn't seem the best choice.

Quote:
Late-Breakers
ALERT: Booting Mac OS 9 on 2003 (Mac OS X only) Macs
After months of searching, it seems that we have finally found a solution for booting Mac OS 9 on Macs released after January 1, 2003 - which are designated as exclusively capable of booting Mac OS X by Apple.

Apple recently posted a new file to its private Apple Service Provider web page (accessible only by account-holding Apple technicians and resellers) titled "MacTest Pro for Power Mac G4 (March 2003) Version 7.8.1 supports all iMac (Flat Panel) 15 inch systems only."

The file is a CD image which can be downloaded and burned, then used as a startup disk. Testing in "Mac OS X-only" flat panel iMac system revealed that the image properly booted Mac OS 9.

Users can then copy a stripped-down Mac OS 9 system folder to their hard drive, and select it with the "Startup Disk" System Preferences pane, delivering a Mac OS 9 bootable internal disk.

It appears that a new MacOS ROM file (ver. 9.8.1) allows booting from the image.

Of course, this solution is only readily accessible by Mac service providers, but it shows that Mac OS 9 boots are not impossible on Apple's new machines. Also, please note that Mac OS 9 startup was not tested on any machines other than the 2003 flat-panel iMac.
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i read that too, thats pretty. although i wont be going out of my way to get it, os 9 is dead, gotta upgrade some time.

iJon
 
Originally posted by iJon
i read that too, thats pretty. although i wont be going out of my way to get it, os 9 is dead, gotta upgrade some time.

iJon
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Me neither, if I had a new mac I wouldn't even want to hear about 9.
I use OSX even on machines that aren't supposed to run it ( like the one I'm using now 7300 w/ 266 G3 upgrade). Stability is just too addictive.
The only mac I have that still runs 9 is because of FinePix Pro 2 shooting program, that doesn't run on X even in classic mode. :mad:
But from the tech point of view it is interesting to know it can be done.
 
Originally posted by iJon
i read that too, thats pretty. although i wont be going out of my way to get it, os 9 is dead, gotta upgrade some time.

iJon
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Dead to *YOU*.

Not dead to *ME* and thousands of others out there.
 
Agree, 9 ain't dead yet.. It is an OS that has given much and does for me what X can't... speed and multitasking in my iMac 266. I don't have the money to upgrade to a newer machine so I can only use X in my 266. X is great and would prefere to use it, but can't since I really need the speed and Multitasking for my work.

X is great, but for people like me, we need 9 and nine will not die untill there are no more older mac users like me around...

G.-
 
Gringo...you just said that OS9 is not dead, that it is needed for older Macs. This thread is about booting into 9 on NEW Macs. There are few good reasons to use 9 on a new machine, and they dont outweigh the reasons not to.

If you need to use a peice of software available only on 9, keep your current computer and wait until a X version is released, or look for an alternative software ::coughquarksucks::coughindesignforX:: People can call Apple plenty of names for making the new Macs X only, but its for a good reason. They know how great this system is, and they dont want the transition to take 5 years, for obvious reasons.

Some examples of where Apple forcing things into the industry have been a major benefit would be USB and Firewire. Apple was the first (and only to this date) major company to drop the old and dead input interfaces. This has sparked a huge benefit for Mac users, we now can use just about any peice of external hardware that the PC guys get, and it also has helped the whole tech industry. Digital cameras and other devices would not be mainstream without these connection standards "forced" on us by Apple. Infact, I have yet to see a PC that doesnt still have some lame PS/2 and serial ports.
 
Hi Trose,

We yeah I get it... mean I'm an old model user, but if I have a new model, I would prefere to have the liberty to install the os I wish as the pc guys do.

On the other hand, I understand perfectly why Apple makes them bootable only into X, and I find it very logical aswell.

On my personel note, i'd just make the switch to X on the new machine, but since I don't have the money I stick to my old iMac 266 and run 9 happily... would like X though.. have to admit I love it...

X is great and will be even better every time...

G.-
 
OS 9 on newer machines

I am really suprised that no one here has mention that on MacFixit that there is talk of a away to boot the new machines into OS 9. It has to do with the Hardware Test CD that is on a site on Apple. You have to be an tech to get to that part of the site, but there is a guy over there claiming that he has done it on a iMac.

He didn't do extestive testing, but it seems all it needs is the ROM file off from the Test CD. You also have to do some funny things to get it to pick the OS 9 folder as well.

Most likely there is no firewire 800 support, if in deed is stable to use on a require basis.


-Hugh
 
Originally posted by john123
Dead to *YOU*.

Not dead to *ME* and thousands of others out there.
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yeah yeah, hear it all the time. notice my key phrase, gotta upgrade sometime. and yes os 9 is dead, that is why no one is making anything for it anymore.

iJon
 
Originally posted by iJon
yeah yeah, hear it all the time. notice my key phrase, gotta upgrade sometime. and yes os 9 is dead, that is why no one is making anything for it anymore.

iJon
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Don't gotta upgrade *NOW*, however.

And you're not 100% right, either. Software patches ensure backward compatibility (check out Roxio's Toast update today, for example). And lots of NEW software will run on both OSes.

The reality of the matter is that OS X is -- from a pure performance perspective -- a piece of crap. The "some time" when I upgrade (and by "upgrade" I mean "use" as I have 10.2.4 on my PowerBook 1Ghz) will be when/if OS X makes performance strides to make it snappy like OS 9. If it doesn't, I'll just switch to PCs.
 
Originally posted by john123
Don't gotta upgrade *NOW*, however.

And you're not 100% right, either. Software patches ensure backward compatibility (check out Roxio's Toast update today, for example). And lots of NEW software will run on both OSes.

The reality of the matter is that OS X is -- from a pure performance perspective -- a piece of crap. The "some time" when I upgrade (and by "upgrade" I mean "use" as I have 10.2.4 on my PowerBook 1Ghz) will be when/if OS X makes performance strides to make it snappy like OS 9. If it doesn't, I'll just switch to PCs.
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well to me os x is pretty good, i really got tired of the freeze ups, bombs, extensions, and the force quits. now i have a very ZIPPY os x with no crashes, uptimes totaling in the months, i dont have allowcate memory to every program i run. but whatever floats your boat. enjoy 9.

iJon
 
X will be opening all the doors for the furture in Computers... you can see how Linux, is gaining territory and how Win xp is trying to keep up...

9 is great, but X is a wonder... I feel the power in it... even though it is an old OS with a face lift... it achieved thing that 9 could never dream of...

But in these things, it all comes down to what blows up your skirt.... (in figured speach).

X does it for me, but can't afford a newer machine so 9 forfills my needs... Does't blow up the skirt, but does the job well.

Imagine that many pc users still prefere Win 98.... but I would definitly not change for a pc....

G.-
 
Re: OS 9 on newer machines

Originally posted by Hugh
I am really suprised that no one here has mention that on MacFixit that there is talk of a away to boot the new machines into OS 9.
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Read the entire page. It was already posted. MacFixIt's article was what brought this discussion back into life.
 
Re: Re: OS 9 on newer machines

I did, and noticed one one person mentioned it. We are still fighting with OS is better. We are not even talking about what was posted on MacFixit's web page is basicly my point.

-Hugh

Originally posted by Pedro Estarque
Read the entire page. It was already posted. MacFixIt's article was what brought this discussion back into life.
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Would the 'bless command work?

Saw this on a website. Someone want to give this a go?

Terminal in OS X...

sudo /usr/sbin/bless/ -folder9 '/Volumes/***paste in your path to OS 9 system folder***' -setOF


let me know if this works! :D
 
Hopefully they will speed up software dev...

Hopefully, software companies will speed up their development time for their former OS9 programs so we don't have these problems anymore.

Why would anyone want to stay in OS9 if they had all their software in OSX? And OSX seems so much more stable than OS9. Why would anyone want to stay with OS9. It really baffles me.
 
Why stay with 9? Crazy Humans.

You asked why someone would want to stay with OS 9?

Answer...

Because your company can't afford to replace every computer that isn't a high-end G3 or G4. (i tried installing X on a G3 DT and it was not fun and still isn't working right).

Because X doesn't support every scanner that 9 does.

Because your company has employees that don't want to learn a new opperating system, and will fight tooth and nail to do anything but that.

Because it cost money. Money to update machines. Money to pay for training. Time to pay for training. Money to pay for people to work while the others are training. Money for new programs.

Because there are still a number of old shareware and freeware programs that OS X hasn't copied over yet.



hope that helped answer the question.
 
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