bottom falling out on used MBA market

Discussion in 'MacBook Air' started by ducatidoc, Oct 24, 2008.

  1. ducatidoc macrumors regular

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  2. gooddeal macrumors regular

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    I wouldn't trust sellers who don't list the condition of their laptops.
     
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    Well, this one comes with more stuffs, if you need them. However, I wouldn't buy from bestbuy b/c I think the price is kind of high at this time. $1300 + tax = $1400. I'd rather get the current Air for $1600 w/ no tax for most states from amazon when they have it.
     
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    oop, I mean 1700$, sorry. Usually, Amazon price is a little lower than Apple and they also have a rebate. My brother got an Air in early July from Amazon for $1749 - 50 rebate. I still think the 2nd gen is a better deal.
     
  8. munckee macrumors 65816

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    If I could find one for ~$1000, it would probably heavily sway my decision... Here in NYC though, craigslist tends to align with ebay for prices (higher than average). Great for selling, not for buying...
     
  9. SFStateStudent macrumors 604

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    Watch out for those $459 MBA NIB sales on CL. I plan on giving mine to my nephew when I buy the newest MBA in the next few weeks...:p
     
  10. six.four macrumors 6502

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    let me be the first to point out that prices on craigslist in no way represent the market value for a product. Craigslist is not an auction so there is no market sentiment factored in the pricing.

    I've purchased a Dell 2005fpw S-IPS 20" lcd for $75 on craigslist in perfect condition. This does not mean that the overall value of the dell 2005fpw has fallen between the time I looked and bought.

    That being said, I've been monitoring prices on MBA on ebay for a few weeks now and the price has been holding on surprisingly well even amidst the release of the gen 2 MBA. Surely some wish to sell their old MBA as soon as possible to be able to purchase either the new Macbooks or MBA, therefore pushing the price of the MBA down. But after that crowd has all released their macbooks/MBA, you can bet the price will rebound a little. Additionally, you will see some prices on ebay for the MBA settle for less than what the market price will be because many of sellers that have little or no feedback, yet are selling a $1k+ item. Low feedback (which means only $200 buyer protection) + high price item doesn't exactly promote buyer confidence.

    For the OP. If you decided to sell your MBA right now - I think you could easily fetch $1200 for you MBA on ebay if you market it right, have good rating, and assuming your MBA is in immaculate condition.

    edit: oh yeah.. and best buy is selling the MBA for $1399 + tax, not $1299 as mentioned earlier.
     
  11. zer0tails macrumors 65816

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    I think out of all the mac laptops, the MBA is the worse at holding its value.

    Macbook pros are the best from what i've seen.
     
  12. HiFiGuy528 macrumors 68000

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    I agree!

    CL is a risky place to buy Apple products. May want to meet this person at a local police station for your safety.
     
  13. Bobjob186 macrumors 6502

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    I see crazy CL ads all the time, the real ones are the ones tend to be more expensive. I think the 1st gen MBA's will stay at the $1000 area, $350 below the refurbished price. After people start getting their hands on the new ones and see that it still get's hot and the battery life still sucks the 1st gens will move up to the $1100 range and sit there. Only time will tell, but I really can't see MBA's selling for $500-$800 anytime soon.
     
  14. six.four macrumors 6502

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    agreed. Besides the obvious GPU upgrade, I do not think people will notice a significant difference between the old MBA and the new MBA. The new GPU gets way overhyped and I think most people don't realize that as crappy as the integrated graphics might be, it suffices for over 90% of normal use. If you don't do heavy rendering or play games on your MBA, my guess is that you will not notice any difference at all. It has already been tested and proven that the new 1066 FSB and 45nm chips do not run significantly faster than its predecessor. My guess is the cooler running 45nm chips will be offset by the temps produced by the new GPU.
     
  15. zer0tails macrumors 65816

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    how do you know? No reviews and full on comparisons have been done and tested yet between the old and new macbook air.

    Upgrades I think will have a significant difference besides the GPU which you claim is overrated are, DDR3 ram, Sata instead of Pata Harddrive.

    And the tested and proven claim you make is in comparison to the old penryn chips. The first gen MBA did not use penryn, and i believe was using merom. So that claim does not apply here as well.
     
  16. Bobjob186 macrumors 6502

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    when was the last time you saw a notebook upgrade that brought more than 20% boost in performance, obviously other than the jump to intel from ppc. At the same CPU freq, an increase in fsb and a dedicated graphics card are going to bring less than a 20% increase in performance...i'd say around 10%. I highly doubt they'll even be better than the blackbooks that are now gone. As far as sata and pata yeah it'll be better but the true bottleneck is at the 4200rpm not the controller. Like I said only time will tell but I'm not counting on being blown away by performance numbers. I hope I'm wrong, but I won't be.
     
  17. six.four macrumors 6502

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    I think I tried to make it fairly clear that my thoughts were simply my opinions. I'm not trying to start any argument or anything. We are all entitled to our own opinions until official benchmarks have been released. Even then, we may still disagree in what we may define a large improvement. And yes, everything I've stated is pure speculation. Please also take that into consideration in what I have to say next:

    Historically, the difference between sata vs pata has almost always been just the interface (especially in the case of laptops). Although the maximum throughput of SATA may be greater than PATA, the transfer speed (especially in 1.8" 4200rpm HD) are not nearly fast enough to come close to hitting the ceiling for PATA, much less SATA.

    Regarding DDR3. Again, historically speaking, the difference between DDR3 and DDR2 is small, and even smaller in real world use. As the FSB increases, the latency of the memory increases as well (which is not a good thing) in order to preserve stability. It would be a marginal difference at best.

    The only real speculation here is the difference between the CPU's. Considering that they are the same clock speed, it is extremely unlikely the performance of the new 45nm chips will be significantly faster than the older chips. If you compare speeds between their desktop counterparts, you'll notice that the difference is not as significant as you might believe. The only significant benefit from the 45nm chips is the temps.

    And to better explain a previous comment I made, I don't think I articulated well what I meant by overhyped. I never doubted the capabilities of the new GPU over the integrated one - all I meant was that I think that people are overemphasizing the difference you would experience in real world everyday use from midlevel GPU. As stated before, unless you're rendering or playing games, the differences will be small.

    All being said, I'd like to once again say that the above is all in speculation and should be taken for a grain of salt. My opinions are based from historical data and may very well be different this time around. Only time will tell. I apologize if you somehow think I've offended you in your beliefs that the new MBA will be vastly superior to the old MBA.
     
  18. zer0tails macrumors 65816

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    no apologies needed :) Let's just wait and see when they finally come out. We'll know better then.
     
  19. gooddeal macrumors regular

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    I don't think the Air is the worst. The macbook pro is as bad as the Air because they're high ticket price laptops. I think the macbook has the best holding value.

    You can get a new $2000 Pro. 15" MB133LL/A 15.4-inch Laptop (2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor, 2 GB RAM, 200 GB Hard Drive, DVD/CD SuperDrive) for around $1400 now.
     
  20. akm3 macrumors 68020

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    Kind of odd, because the usual reason laptops lose value is because their specs are outdated, but a purchaser of the Air by definition isn't concerned with Specs - they are concerned with Form Factor.

    The form factor doesn't change, ergo why would Airs lose their value quickly?
     
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    Bought mine used (4 months old) on another forum for $1150 this week.

    Came in today!
     
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    I got a first gen 1.6/80 for $1100 several weeks before the update. I am happy with the price I paid after seeing the update.

    Right now, there is nothing I realistically wish to do with this laptop that I think the new version would accomplish.

    The extra storage would be nice, but I have almost everything I feel that I need on both Vista and OSX, and I have 9.5GB free on the Windows side, and 31GB free on the Mac partition. That said, I do not store any music or anything like that on the laptop, and that might change if I knew I had more space.

    I may look to update after the next generation bump, but I was switching today, taking cost into account, I would probably go for the macbook instead.
     

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