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Brees' accomplishment is certainly remarkable, but I don't think it puts him on a higher tier than Marino for the record alone. There's no way in hell I'd put Bonds above Aaron simply because a record was broken.

Both QBs are excellent, but I don't think either can really be put in the "Greatest" conversation, if we narrow it to QBs since the 80s. That debate should only include Montana & Manning as of today's date. Farve was incredible but unpredictable, Rodgers has not passed the test of time...yet, and Brady's been the benefactor of great Defense, coaching and one Adam Vinateri (lest you Patriot faithful forget).
 
Season ticket holder for the Niners here. Watched Montana a lot too.

I know this thread is about Bree's v Marino...but its also about Tom Brady now too.

Aaron Rodgers (if he plays like this for a long time) will shatter absolutely everything. That guy is not playing like a human right now. Kinda like Brady is that 16-0 season before they choked in the SB.
 
Saints fan and New Orleans native here :)

First of all, aside from this great stat for Brees, even more important is the *impact* he has has on this team and on our city. The Post-Katrina Saints are the BEST team we've EVER had. What the team went through having no home stadium, and STILL making it the furthest we'd EVER gone to that point (one game shy of going to the Superbowl for the first time...damned Bears :)

...We didn't make it to the Superbowl, but we were SO close, and we were HAPPY to have gotten that far.

When we finally did make it to the Superbowl, again, we would've been ecstatic even if we LOST...just to get there was a monumental accomplishment for the Saints. The fact that we won...well, I'm sure there are plenty of Youtube videos showing how we celebrated that night :)

I like Drew's attitude about it - when ESPN did the live video of him talking in the locker room, he was saying that he could NEVER have done it alone. And he wasn't even just talking about his fellow teammates - he thanked the coaching staff, and everyone down to the guy who helped him get the kinks out of his shoulder, or the guy who gave him water on the sidelines. He's a pretty humble guy (I saw him at the store once and told him what a great effect he's had on the city.)

The whole "put him on the field by himself and see how he does" is completely dumb - obviously that can never happen in a real game, and all we need to do is look at the Colts to see exactly how important one person is to a team. They SUCK without Peyton Manning, and this season has shown that pretty convincingly.

I'd like to say that I'm a huge fan of Tom Brady, too - incredible QB, and if he breaks Marino's record also, then he deserves some praise just like Brees does. The record stood for 27 years for a reason, because it's tough to do. Yes, the game HAS changed in terms of how much passing they do now compared to back then, but if it was so easy to break Marino's record, they should've been able to do it within the last...10 years or so. That's a reasonable timetable of how important passing the ball has become.

I also agree that Joe Montana and Jerry Rice were probably the BEST QB/Receiver pair ever to play the game, but it's not about pure individual stats, it's about how the QB helped the team succeed. (I used to call Steve Young "Joe Montana Jr." cos he was just THAT good...)
 
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MacNut said:
lol ... Brady already has 3 SB rings and he's on his way to number 4 this year.

and he's pass that stupid yardage record at the same (and thereby trounce the idiots in the OP's post).
The Pats are not getting to the SB this year.

This!
 
Season ticket holder for the Niners here. Watched Montana a lot too.

I know this thread is about Bree's v Marino...but its also about Tom Brady now too.

Aaron Rodgers (if he plays like this for a long time) will shatter absolutely everything. That guy is not playing like a human right now. Kinda like Brady is that 16-0 season before they choked in the SB.

He certainly has a chance, but he has to do it for 10 years to be in the discussion. Think about that. Rodgers is immensely talented, but he's only in his 4th season. He has a ways to go before he's in Montana/Brady territory. Longevity is the hardest part, imo.
 
He certainly has a chance, but he has to do it for 10 years to be in the discussion. Think about that. Rodgers is immensely talented, but he's only in his 4th season. He has a ways to go before he's in Montana/Brady territory. Longevity is the hardest part, imo.

I don't think he has to do it for 10 years, the way they're going he could do it this year and the next two winning 4 in a row and already be there.

Will he... well that's why they play those games, i don't think brady is in montana's league even if he's very close stats wise, and that's not putting down brady just realizing what montana did and with the kind of game back then.

Oh and by the way, i've seen a lot of ppl make it a given but rodgers and brady haven't broken the record yet even if they probably will, they still might not break it as well.
 
I don't think he has to do it for 10 years, the way they're going he could do it this year and the next two winning 4 in a row and already be there.

Will he... well that's why they play those games, i don't think brady is in montana's league even if he's very close stats wise, and that's not putting down brady just realizing what montana did and with the kind of game back then.

Well, if he manages to win 4 Super Bowls in a row while keeping his gaudy numbers, then yes, he will have fast tracked himself into that category. My point still stands. He's been amazing, but he hasn't been doing it as long as some of the elite/HOF QBs. Brady's been excellent for 10 years now.

Time will tell where he lands.
 
Isn't a quarterback's passing yardage a false statistic? Ball on your own 20, dink pass to running back in the backfield (negative yardage territory), running back makes three guys miss and out runs the other 8 to the end zone, 80 passing yards for the QB. Who made the yardage? Not the QB. End of discussion.
 
Isn't a quarterback's passing yardage a false statistic? Ball on your own 20, dink pass to running back in the backfield (negative yardage territory), running back makes three guys miss and out runs the other 8 to the end zone, 80 passing yards for the QB. Who made the yardage? Not the QB. End of discussion.

Let's wipe a whole bunch of INTs for Eli Manning while we're at it then, after seeing all of those drops and tips made by his receiving corp.
 
Let's wipe a whole bunch of INTs for Eli Manning while we're at it then, after seeing all of those drops and tips made by his receiving corp.

Yep. And what about defensive pass interference? If the receiver would have caught the pass but for the penalty...

And how often is a given QB's opponent in the "prevent" defense?
 
Great discussion, everyone's made some good points.

I think today if we look at the last 15 years P. Manning Brady up to now are number one and two. You can argue Superbowl wins but I think that Manning hasn't had the type of quality overall teams that Brady has been lucky to have. That's why I think it's very hard to say who is one and who is two.

All time greatest my list would be:

Montana
Elway/Marino
Manning/Brady
Young
Namath
Bradshaw
Stabler
Tarkington
Warner/Testaverde
As was already said Rodgers hasn't played long enough to be judged yet.

Testaverde could have been higher but he played on some really bad teams. Had he played on a good team for a few years he could have had a much better career. But he was a hell of a QB
 
That lists "modern era" QBs only. Sure the game was different in the old days, but there were some good players then too, I just can't name 'em all.

Sammy Baugh for one - don't know how good he was
Johnny Unitas - closer to the modern era
Otto Graham
Y.A. Tittle
Bobby Lane
Norm Van Brocklin
Sid Luckman

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