Brand had shagged his grand daughter. If he'd have done to me what he did to Andrew Sachs, I think I'd be happy with an apology and try to forget about it.
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Brits: Ross, Brand, and Andrew Sachs. Storm in a tea cup?
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Brand had shagged his grand daughter. If he'd have done to me what he did to Andrew Sachs, I think I'd be happy with an apology and try to forget about it.
Well, other than the fact he had, Sachs himself is apparently happy to have an apology and let it be. It's his "OMG I want my face in The Sun" grand daughter that's egging the great suddenly-oh-so-moral people along.
I'm not saying what they said is right in any way, but this whole thing is being blown out of all proportion.
First, I don't have a granddaughter. Secondly, if you knew me, you'd guess I wouldn't care that much. Thirdly, I might ask myself what she might have done to put herself in that position. Fourthly, even if it did upset me, I certainly wouldn't be pursuing it through the public domain in the pages of the Daily Mail.
I know he's sh*gged her thats what i said, if some pr*ck like brand was saying this about your granddaughter would you be happy about it ? i'm sorry but i don't think an apology is acceptable,the both of them are pr*cks & should be sacked full stop
Ok thats a fair comment maybe i should have put *if*, i just think their a pair of over paid tossers who should know better and hope they both get sacked because of it
sorry about not multi quoting vevet but your post got posted before i posted mine
Anyways its looking like I'm getting out numbered here, I'm off
To be honest, no I wouldn't be happy about it all.
The thing is though, it wasn't my (non-existant) granddaughter he was speaking about, or indeed any of us who were the victims of this prank. The person who has been wronged in this is Andrew Sachs, and if he is satisfied with an apology from Brand and Ross then that for me is the end of the matter. He says that Ross has contacted him personally to apologise which is good, Brand however as of yesterday hasn't I'd like to think that he'll at least show a degree of humility and do so if he hasn't already. Beyond that and a warning from their bosses about their future conduct then it's a case of matter closed.
The BBC make Strictly Come Dancing I don't think anything else could bring them into more disrepute...
The BBC make Strictly Come Dancing – I don't think anything else could bring them into more disrepute...
Hahaha, so true.
I think at worst they're going to get a warning and be suspended for a bit, the BBC relys on Ross and Brand, Ross and Brands show hold the 1 and 2 spots in terms of listening figures don't they?
BBC wouldn't be silly enough to sack them, they might as well sell off Television Centre, oh wait
The BBC make Strictly Come Dancing I don't think anything else could bring them into more disrepute...
Heh heh.
Actually this is all quite funny to me because the granddaughter is a friend of one of my close friends. They are both in the Satanic Sluts (they do burlesque dancing at clubs, gigs and festivals). My friend is loving it all because it's free publicity for their group... And I'm sure Georgie (the granddaughter) is pretty happy about it too. They are currently at a photoshootto be in tomorrows Sun :s
Basically what Ross and Brand did was pretty horrible but it entertained a few people and Sachs has accepted an apology. And if this means that my friend and Georgie get a bit of fame for fifteen minutes then it's actually worked out pretty well
I have no idea as to whom any of these people are.
The way I see it. It does not matter what the content of their message was. They could have called and stated admiration for the Sachs and his granddaughter.
I assume that when they made the call to Sachs answering machine they recorded his voice. Thus without Sachs knowledge nor consent they recorded his voice over the phone. Then for their profit they broadcast said phone call. In which case they should be held liable, lose their jobs and the station that broadcast the call should lose their broadcasters license or any lesser punishment Andrew Sachs would accept.
I don't know how it is in the UK. But in the US if recording a phone call you must notify the party being recorded and receive their verbal consent, otherwise you can technically be held liable for the recording and its contents could never be used against the person recorded in any legal proceeding. The only time you do not need to give verbal warning is for law enforcement with a warrant allowing for a wiretap. Although they don't seem to be holding the FBI liable for illegal wiretaps.
The way I see it. It does not matter what the content of their message was. They could have called and stated admiration for the Sachs and his granddaughter.
I assume that when they made the call to Sachs answering machine they recorded his voice. Thus without Sachs knowledge nor consent they recorded his voice over the phone. Then for their profit they broadcast said phone call. In which case they should be held liable, lose their jobs and the station that broadcast the call should lose their broadcasters license or any lesser punishment Andrew Sachs would accept.
I don't know how it is in the UK. But in the US if recording a phone call you must notify the party being recorded and receive their verbal consent, otherwise you can technically be held liable for the recording and its contents could never be used against the person recorded in any legal proceeding. The only time you do not need to give verbal warning is for law enforcement with a warrant allowing for a wiretap. Although they don't seem to be holding the FBI liable for illegal wiretaps.
Good point jaffa, but i still think regardless of the apology's and sachs acceptance the fact remains that they shouldn't have said it in first place & for that the pair of knobheads should be sacked
i really can't see why this is still ongoing in the news. The only people this should have offended is Andrew Sachs and his grand daughter. Why is such a fuss being made about 2 COMDEIANS making a JOKE. It's kind of what the BBC pay them for. All the people that have complained to the BBC etc need to get on with their lives and lighten up.
I seriuously hope they don't get fired, they are 2 of a small minority of honest speaking people who aren't affraid to put two fingers up to the PC brigade!!
I seriuously hope they don't get fired, they are 2 of a small minority of honest speaking people who aren't affraid to put two fingers up to the PC brigade!!
Assuming that the 'joke' wasn't broadcast this is all it would have affected.
Nope, it's been said time and time again by various people within the BBC that they're to get close to the line, not cross it (the exact words).
Also it's a bit more serious than not being "PC".
People's reactions to this - including Daily Mail and Guardian readers - skirts the issue. The issue is whether a publicly-broadcast mockery (insult) of a third person without his consent is acceptable. In my opinion, it isn't. Is that the kind of 'entertainment' we want on our TVs and radios? England has enough social problems without ****s like that flushing it further down the khazi with their total disregard for decency.
Agreed.
And I actually do want these people to be sacked.
It's not the precise details of the "prank". It's that they're paid by licence payers to call the public up and give you s*** on TV and radio. And since you know Brand will cross the line anyway, may as well cut your losses and just fire him now rather than explain to people why he wasn't fired before after he does this (or something equally stupid) again.
The incident has been blown out of proportion. I'm simply saying that a quick firing of Brand would do.
Speaking as a Yank, I have to say I'm sorry to have exported back to the mother country one of our common occurrences. This sort of thing happens fairly regularly here: "Morning Zoo"/drive-time radio hosts go over the line, moral outrage ensues, hosts get sacked, hosts get hired elsewhere after an appropriate "cooling-off" period at higher salary, process repeats ad infinitum.
The main difference is that ours aren't taxpayer-funded (except for NPR, and hardly anyone listens to that anyway), so the outrage generally takes the form of bombarding the sponsors with threats.
The main difference is that ours aren't taxpayer-funded (except for NPR, and hardly anyone listens to that anyway), so the outrage generally takes the form of bombarding the sponsors with threats.
WTF do the mythical "PC brigade" have to do with any of this? They might have been acting like pricks, but expecting a little more courtesy from the pair is hardly the epitome of "political correctness gone mad" (a phrase often used in conjunction with "I'm not a racist, but...").
OK. I actually listen to the Russell Brand show on Saturday nights when I'm banished to the back bedroom so his-nibs gets full control of the TV ("I worked today blah blah blah"). So not surprisingly I listened to this one.
And how difficult it was to listen to. The show normally has a standard format. Brand goes into some self-absorbed nonsense and the co-host pulls him back to reality. With the usual co-host Matt Morgan away there has recently been a rotation of guest hosts, including David Baddiel, Simon Amstel and the like.
However....
Rather than pull Brand back from the nonsense, that week's co-host Jonathan Ross was actively encouraging it and even competing with Brand for centre stage. The show therefore completely lost its usual rhythm and the pair degenerated into two overexcited teenagers talking over each other whilst trying to keep to the producer's schedule. When the first phone call to Andrew Sachs went in it was Ross that started the offensive behaviour by shouting "he ****ed your granddaughter" down the line as Brand was telling the answerphone how much he admired Andrew Sachs, his ancestry, and his progeny.
The incident deteriorated after that with repeated phonecalls to apologise turning into stupidity and making matters worse.
Certainly Brand and Ross have shown that they don't have the balance of personality needed to make a radio show together, but the outcry from the Daily Mail has been more about their revenge on Brand and the BBC rather than any genuine anger. Alison Boshoff, the Daily Mail columnist, is regularly lampooned on Brand's show for her near-constant criticism of anything he gets involved in.
What this really tells us is that the BBC is very weak when standing up to propaganda campaigns in the print media, and that British people are easily persuaded into indignant rages. The bleating from the sheep has been deafening this week, only being drowned out by the sound of pitchforks being sharpened.
And meanwhile, the economy is slipping into the toilet and our troops are getting slaughtered in Afghanistan, but obviously neither of those are considered important by the public. Not important enough to complain about anyway.
And how difficult it was to listen to. The show normally has a standard format. Brand goes into some self-absorbed nonsense and the co-host pulls him back to reality. With the usual co-host Matt Morgan away there has recently been a rotation of guest hosts, including David Baddiel, Simon Amstel and the like.
However....
Rather than pull Brand back from the nonsense, that week's co-host Jonathan Ross was actively encouraging it and even competing with Brand for centre stage. The show therefore completely lost its usual rhythm and the pair degenerated into two overexcited teenagers talking over each other whilst trying to keep to the producer's schedule. When the first phone call to Andrew Sachs went in it was Ross that started the offensive behaviour by shouting "he ****ed your granddaughter" down the line as Brand was telling the answerphone how much he admired Andrew Sachs, his ancestry, and his progeny.
The incident deteriorated after that with repeated phonecalls to apologise turning into stupidity and making matters worse.
Certainly Brand and Ross have shown that they don't have the balance of personality needed to make a radio show together, but the outcry from the Daily Mail has been more about their revenge on Brand and the BBC rather than any genuine anger. Alison Boshoff, the Daily Mail columnist, is regularly lampooned on Brand's show for her near-constant criticism of anything he gets involved in.
What this really tells us is that the BBC is very weak when standing up to propaganda campaigns in the print media, and that British people are easily persuaded into indignant rages. The bleating from the sheep has been deafening this week, only being drowned out by the sound of pitchforks being sharpened.
And meanwhile, the economy is slipping into the toilet and our troops are getting slaughtered in Afghanistan, but obviously neither of those are considered important by the public. Not important enough to complain about anyway.
"We are the angry mob, We read the papers everyday. We like who we like, we hate who we hate but we're also easily swayed "
What an utterly reasonable post, Jaffa's too. Sums up my thoughts precisely. Let's hope this story doesn't carry through to tomorrow.
The other bloke is famous for that type of humour. He's paid to produce that type of humour.
Whilst it was a little inappropriate the self righteous indignation that has followed is ridiculous.
Well, he was looking for an excuse to concentrate on his film stuff in the States anyway.
However, thanks a bunch Daily Mail for imposing your own miserable ideas on the country yet again. No wonder so many intelligent Brits are leaving the UK. It's simply not fun being here any more with false puritans stirring up the mobs day after day.
I'm so bored of this country.
However, thanks a bunch Daily Mail for imposing your own miserable ideas on the country yet again. No wonder so many intelligent Brits are leaving the UK. It's simply not fun being here any more with false puritans stirring up the mobs day after day.
I'm so bored of this country.
Let's see if I have the facts right (I'm not from the UK). One of these guys has sex with a girl. He then calls the girls 78-year old grandfather and tells him that "I fu**ed your granddaughter. You might want to kill yourself from hearing this" (not a direct quote, but more or less accurate).
My questions regarding this:
a) why did they have to drag total outsiders in to this and humiliate him?
b) What's with the suicide-comment?
c) When did British humor turn in to crap?
I think that the only ones who need to grow up here, is that "dynamic duo" who made the call. What are they, 15?
My questions regarding this:
a) why did they have to drag total outsiders in to this and humiliate him?
b) What's with the suicide-comment?
c) When did British humor turn in to crap?
I think that the only ones who need to grow up here, is that "dynamic duo" who made the call. What are they, 15?
^ They made a stupid error of judgement. The furore from the thousands that never listened to it to begin with, and the whole media madness that's been constructed is the real "obscene" thing here....IMO.
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