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It's almost like there's an anti-Apple faction out there that likes nothing more than making up stories about Apple, and Apple only, that make them look dictatorial and crazed for power.

I doubt if the lawyer crap put up by Google or Amazon are vastly different. They're based on software licenses. They're never really yours either, otherwise you could make alterations yourself that were legal. Make a few changes, do a full-scale MC job on a playlist of music, and you can't sell it as something different without the written permission, etc.

Does anybody think that, after your poppa dies with his hard drive full of stuff, that Apple's lawyers are going to come down and erase your daddy's hard drive? Would you want dad's music collection? If he was Stevie Wonder, maybe. A shelf full of rare records is worth money. CDs? Not so much. Why? Because the data of an iTunes collection isn't stuck to a medium. It's just data.

By the way, if you're worried about the way the m4v in iTunes has your e-mail address in it, well, convert it to mp3 or other format.
 
Uh... Okay, maybe I'm missing something. I just tried transferring a song that I recently purchased to my mother's computer, and it played just fine. I also transferred an older "protected" song that I purchased and haven't yet "upgraded" (I only have about six songs left in my library that fall into this category), and it immediately asked for my iTunes password.

So, why is my music not transferable? How is there DRM?

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Because it was bought when there was DRM. As you said it was marked protected. Authorize her computer as one of the five you are allowed and it will work
 
Right... Because his daughters couldn't possibly afford to just buy the songs themselves.

It's not about being able to afford anything, it's all about making a point against Apple and their Big Boss antics.

I can't believe they're saying that whatever you BUY from the App store you never own but only licence it.

Fark me, I can go and buy any CD album out there and guess what... I ACTUALLY OWN IT, and I can give those CD's away to whoever I desire!!!

Apple are living in a dream world and their dictatorship regime seriously needs to end.

Like I keep saying, thank god for the JB community and at least there are legal people out there who also think that Apple cross too many lines!
 
It's not about being able to afford anything, it's all about making a point against Apple and their Big Boss antics.

I can't believe they're saying that whatever you BUY from the App store you never own but only licence it.

Fark me, I can go and buy any CD album out there and guess what... I ACTUALLY OWN IT, and I can give those CD's away to whoever I desire!!!

Apple are living in a dream world and their dictatorship regime seriously needs to end.

Like I keep saying, thank god for the JB community and at least there are legal people out there who also think that Apple cross too many lines!

So, in your view, Apple would prefer to piss off people who might buy their highly profitable hardware in order to protect their slightly profitable music store. And the music publishers are just fine in letting people pass on their purchases to others but Apple, arms crossed, is saying "No! You can't let them do that! You just can't!"

What color is the sky in your world?

BTW, you do know that every other general media store (Amazon, Google, Microsoft) has the same restrictions, right?
 
There are reasons some people will never turn to digital, (music is fine this days unless you want lossless) overpriced and no control.
 
I really want to become an Apple fundamentalist. Please let me know how to.
Should I start hating Bruce Willis now?

First step: Always side with Apple, no matter if it defies reason.

Example: Apple files a patent for something that looks like a turd. Patent Office grants patent. Apple sues all competitors who's employees poop. Your obligation as a fundamentalist is to support Apple ... and stop pooping (unless you're female, in which case there is no risk that you infringe).
 
I'm sure other people have said the same thing, so I hope Arn & Co. take the advice to heart. How did this nonevent event make it on Page 1?

You're singlehandedly making the case that blogs are not journalism; bloggers should not be treated as journalists.
 
First step: Always side with Apple, no matter if it defies reason.

Example: Apple files a patent for something that looks like a turd. Patent Office grants patent. Apple sues all competitors who's employees poop. Your obligation as a fundamentalist is to support Apple ... and stop pooping (unless you're female, in which case there is no risk that you infringe).

Fortunately, it's so much easier to be an Apple hater. No matter what Apple did, pick from these reactions:

(1) It stinks
(2) It's been done before
(3) It's abusive to the customers
(4) It's obvious
(5) It's defined by the form so must be generic.

Mix and match, though some combos are a bit tricky to pull off.
 
So, in your view, Apple would prefer to piss off people who might buy their highly profitable hardware in order to protect their slightly profitable music store. And the music publishers are just fine in letting people pass on their purchases to others but Apple, arms crossed, is saying "No! You can't let them do that! You just can't!"

What the fark are you on about?
Or then again what the fark have you been smoking!!?

I can go and buy (from my local shopping centre music shop) any CD album then give it away to whoever then they in turn can give it away to whoever, then they in turn can sell that CD at a garage sale....
What do your music publishers have to say about all that??

What color is the sky in your world?

Well mine is blue on a fine day but I suspect yours is multi-colored every day.

BTW, you do know that every other general media store (Amazon, Google, Microsoft) has the same restrictions, right?

Personally I couldn't give a flying fark what Amazon, Google or Micro$oft do.

Like I said, I can go and buy any CD album I choose and it becomes MINE.
I but a song or album from the Apple App store and I never actually own it, I only licence it.

So you tell me Einstein, who's right and who's wrong here?
Apple are prostituting the work of others in order for Apple product users to licence (never own).

Now excuse me whist I go load up Cydia and download some more decent apps for my iPhone simply because Apple don't want those apps on their store for what-ever reason who knows. BiteSMS being one!
 
What the fark are you on about?
Or then again what the fark have you been smoking!!?

I can go and buy (from my local shopping centre music shop) any CD album then give it away to whoever then they in turn can give it away to whoever, then they in turn can sell that CD at a garage sale....
What do your music publishers have to say about all that??

You can sell them at a garage sale - but you can't play it in your place of business so your customers can hear. So even CDs have limits on their licensing.

Personally I couldn't give a flying fark what Amazon, Google or Micro$oft do.

But it's APPLE GODDAMN IT that's responsible for all this. Even though Amazon, Google, and Microsoft do the same.

Like I said, I can go and buy any CD album I choose and it becomes MINE.
I but a song or album from the Apple App store and I never actually own it, I only license it.

So you tell me Einstein, who's right and who's wrong here?
Apple are prostituting the work of others in order for Apple product users to licence (never own).

I'm saying that Apple would be just fine with allowing transfers. But it's the music publishers who are forcing the limits, just like it was the music publishers who demanded DRM when the store opened. And maybe, just maybe, your ire shouldn't be pointed at Apple.

Now excuse me whist I go load up Cydia and download some more decent apps for my iPhone simply because Apple don't want those apps on their store for what-ever reason who knows. BiteSMS being one!

Generally, the limits are for (a) security reasons, reducing the ability for malware to get on the system, (b) reliability reasons, apps digging into the guts in ways that could cause crashes and data corruption, (c) reliability through updates, apps that use private APIs risk breaking in future releases when the private code gets changed, and (d) legal or rating releases. I think Apple would be better to allow a way to allow other software on the iPhones, but having worked tech support and having had people flat out lie to me about "Oh no, I haven't done anything to modify the program" I understand why not.
 
Good Guy bruce is going to save us from the apple nightmare. I have never bought music from apple and never plan on it.


I am one of the few who had not remained ****ed because of DRM.

I pirate all of my music and guess what I can use it on any device i want. from my **** cell phone to my ipod to my pc to a android phone.

and guess what Im buying a android phone!

I'm shocked, shocked, to find that a music pirate is getting an Android phone... :p
 
Story true or not, I think it has a lot of validity.

It should be the case that once you buy the music / media, it's yours.
If you think buying music on a CD or any other format makes it "yours" to do with what you will, go ahead and upload a link to one of the current torrent sites (maybe ask Major.Robto for a recommendation?) and see what the RIAA lawyers have to say about it...

The point is - back in the old days:
- If I bought a new or different brand turntable, I could still play my records.
- If I bought a new or different brand tape deck, I could still play my tapes.
- If I bought a new or different brand VCR, I could still watch my videos.
- If I died, I could pass all those assets to my next of kin.

It seems you can't do that now. If you move to another eco-system or die, you lose it all, or your next of kin loses it all.

But, back in the not-so-old days:
- If you bought a new or different computer, you couldn't just install your old copies of Windows/Office/Photoshop/ProTools/etc. to the new computer.
 
It's almost like there's an anti-Apple faction out there that likes nothing more than making up stories about Apple, and Apple only, that make them look dictatorial and crazed for power.

I doubt if the lawyer crap put up by Google or Amazon are vastly different. They're based on software licenses. They're never really yours either, otherwise you could make alterations yourself that were legal. Make a few changes, do a full-scale MC job on a playlist of music, and you can't sell it as something different without the written permission, etc.

Does anybody think that, after your poppa dies with his hard drive full of stuff, that Apple's lawyers are going to come down and erase your daddy's hard drive? Would you want dad's music collection? If he was Stevie Wonder, maybe. A shelf full of rare records is worth money. CDs? Not so much. Why? Because the data of an iTunes collection isn't stuck to a medium. It's just data.

By the way, if you're worried about the way the m4v in iTunes has your e-mail address in it, well, convert it to mp3 or other format.

Funny how in the 90's there was a anti Microsoft faction... now it's apples turn.

Once apple gets too popular, they'll be overtaken by some other hipster company just like how apple over took microsoft.
 
Funny how in the 90's there was a anti Microsoft faction... now it's apples turn.

Once apple gets too popular, they'll be overtaken by some other hipster company just like how apple over took microsoft.

While Apple's fall presumably will happen someday, I wouldn't look to Microsoft as an example.

Microsoft's position came from a single product, Windows. Yes, they made money from other products as well, but Windows was the tentpole. As such, the primary focus of the company has been protecting the Windows position. When they tried tablets and early phones, it was based on Windows. Even now, the selling point of their new mobile device is "it runs Windows". And when Windows doesn't work, they are at a disadvantage. (X-Box managed to avoid that, fortunately).

Apple both has more products, and more importantly is happy to destroy their products with other products. They don't care about iPad sales cannibalizing MacBook sales.
 
Now that's solid front page content.

DRM is why I don't buy music on iTunes.
Lack of features and DRM is why I don't buy or "rent" (?) movies on iTunes.


Curious... does the admin panel not have a delete thread function?
 
D@mn, you beat me to it! lol

On point, I was never a big fan of Willis, however if this rings true I'll be giving him a lot of cred.

This isn't about "money" but principle. People used to own physical media, vinyls/8 tracks/tapes/CD's, and we could use that media as we pleased. Why has this changed for digital media? Yes, pirating is more widespread, however people used to make mixed tapes, copies, etc. of their music before the digital advent. There should be no reason your PURCHASED media cannot be given away, especially as, well, you're dead.*

- You can get "iTunes Match" for a year and have your library upgraded to DRM free tracks with higher bit-rates (should they need it)

- Isn't most of Apple's music DRM free now?

- Requiem - DRM removal app ;)

- Years back Jobs suggested a method in removing DRM from iTunes tracks (he hated DRM but the RIAA wouldn't make the deal w/o protection):
Use a CD+RW and produce a script to burn your library, then rip it off the CD into iTunes. DRM gone. I did this years ago and it worked flawlessly.

The dude's going to bat for us, using his money to defend the "little guys". You think he cares? He can buy his music 1,000x and still be loaded. Good for him, and thank you! :)

EDIT: I just got read by someone stating I "missed the point". To re-emphasize, I agree with Willis' decision and believe that if you own the media, may it be physical or digital, you should be able to do with it as you please (of course, profiting off it is another matter). My examples were simply suggestions OT for those wanting to legally remove DRM (aside from Requiem of course)

A bit late to this conversation but i totally agree with you. Too many Apple fan boys knocking Bruce Willis. I think we should be praising him.
 
Now that's solid front page content.

DRM is why I don't buy music on iTunes.

So...in other words, complete and utter ignorance on your part is why you dont buy music on iTunes?

I hope you're not one of those holier-than-thou types who's been spending your money at Amazon, Microsoft, Google, etc. in your eternal quest for DRM free digital music. Because oh boy do I have a whopper to tell you if so. :apple:
 
Man there sure are some sheep here.

Some aren't looking at the bigger picture. It's not specifically about Willis but the public in general as well. If you accumulate a large physical collection over a period of time, you can pass it down. If you own a digital library on iTunes, you can't. Why not? You paid for it, didn't you? Why buy it via iTunes then when you can still rip your CDs? Sure he can make a physical backup but legally, he can't give it away.

It has nothing to do with how much money he has but the principle. People want to bitch and complain about much money famous people piss away but then say that he has the money to rebuy it so who cares? :rolleyes:

As far as the people saying his kids won't want to listen to his music... How do you know? I listen to a lot of my parents old music and prefer it personally. I find it to be better than a lot of music thats out today. Keep in mind, he's 57. It's not like he's from the stone age.

And finally I leave you with this.

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^ Exactly what I said too. It's the principle.

I never use the term Sheep but some of the comments here are ridiculous.
 
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