Sadly, that police tracking system would soon integrate into a government surveillance program and soon people would be complaining about privacy issues. Though it would be really nice to have better stolen property tracking.
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Burglar of Jobs Family's Home Sentenced to Seven Years in Prison
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Sadly, that police tracking system would soon integrate into a government surveillance program and soon people would be complaining about privacy issues. Though it would be really nice to have better stolen property tracking.
Stealing from a multi-millionaire would seem very much the opposite of the scenario you described.
And because I support the death penalty I support killing grandmas?
I support the death penalty for conscious adults who made the decision to end people's lives. Typically if someone murders multiple people, they would do it again given the opportunity. Whether it is in prison or on the outside, it makes no difference, they will take another person's life. So what is better, to end the life of someone who has no regard for the lives of others, or to let said individual continue to be a "menace to society"?
2.5 years for 4 joints is a little scary. They could never have that in the states it would cause massive overcrowding. (which happens already)
However I have to admit im against long term jail time for drug use. It doesnt stop people from their addiction and causes overcrowding. Instead of jail they need to have rehab programs. having someone sitting in a jail cell sitting next to a murderer because they got caught with marijuana doesnt bode well with me. and no i dont smoke weed.
And what exactly was there to stop the women approaching the police for help then? I saw this story on the news and that's the first thought I had. If you commit an offence in another country, especially one they are hard on, then you pay the penalty when caught.
And they threatened to hurt one of her grown up children, not kill her grand children:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21149631
Too harsh. I guess the prosecution played tough on him. The plead bargain of the US Justice system is open to prosecution overreach. But on the other hand it is still better than the legal system of loads of other countries.
Case like this gets approx. 3 years here in Hong Kong if the defendant had no prior criminal record.
Case like this gets approx. 3 years here in Hong Kong if the defendant had no prior criminal record.
That wasn't at all the point I was making. People bring their general frustrations about society into MacRumors all the time and respond in emotionally charged ways. It's not their different perspectives that are annoying... it's when someone feels beat up about something else that they're too blinded by their need to be cynical or angry that they've overlooked material facts in their rush to vent their frustrations.
It's highly irritating to see a conversation get nowhere because every odd post is a misinformed rant, and every response is a correction telling them what they overlooked... rinse, repeat. It gets old fast and the conversation doesn't move forward.
Then, I get chastised for "whining" ... which is rather ironic.
So there you are.
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PTSD is frequently used in place of being traumatized.
PTSD as a result of having someone burglarize your house when you're not home is extremely unlikely. Numbness? Flashbacks? Nightmares? Hypervigilance?
Having one's home security violated is quite distressing, but PTSD is an extremely serious diagnosis.
From all of the people I've come across with PTSD, I've never come across someone for that reason, although I'm sure it does exist.
And while 7 years is a heft punishment for burglary, this guy seems to have been a repeat offender. Although anyone saying nonsense to this getting extra special attention and consequences due to it being Steve Jobs is a bit naive and needs to spend a little time in a court room or a county jail on a Saturday night
PS. I'm a therapist and previously worked with criminal offenders.
And no jail sentence for anyone at UBS involved in money laundering and financing crime and terrorism.
Those of you who think this is justice served are sick in the head. If it were your house they broke into the guy would be on probation.
Those of you who think this is justice served are sick in the head. If it were your house they broke into the guy would be on probation.
Of course. The assumed criteria was "western democracy" adding the constant "freedom" element and the oddly repeated "we are the best nation in the world" slogan by Americans where today those components are often just empty propaganda or drunken stupidity-infused fantasies. Oh, look, another shooting, this time in Houston. It will be interesting to see if this coming weekend will prove to be yet another record for gun sales. It is the age of the American barbarians.
They will no doubt blame computer games again too....
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...violent-game-devs-electronic-child-molesters/
Which is the most stupid thing ever, I can turn on the news and pretty much watch digitally enhanced colour corrected real life death and destruction from some war zone or another, dead body's, people getting blown up, but it's the games... I can watch of many hundreds of violent American films, but it's the games..
and I have a hell of a lot more freedom in the UK then a lot of other country's as do American citizens, that is a FACT!
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It is a compilation of elements in the US. Of course you have significantly more freedom in the UK than average Americans. By the same token I have more freedom in Eastern Europe than you on the island. The whole gun thing across the Atlantic after the NRA nuts public blabbering seems to have more to do with penile enlargements than anything else. And the confused few go around stealing few iPads and a dumb neckless later becoming the token criminal of the decade. Why is it that men in Europe don't give a crap about owning a firearm? Anyway, I am not an advocate of someone stealing from anyone else, regardless how rich they are, but in the same time I hope for him to be released within the next 12 months.
Wow I didn't realize I lived in the absolute zoo you described....nothing is right here is it?
Wow I didn't realize I lived in the absolute zoo you described....nothing is right here is it?
You cn look at it differently. You can buy guns if you like. Also, unlike in Europe, you pretty much always get free water and refills in restaurant! Cheaper petrol than in EU. Of course on the average given the insane distances to ave to commute to the confused often void of sidewalks suburbia, the end cost is about the same. Apple products are a bit cheaper in the US! You not ave to dress up to go outside, like many Americans you can hang in public in your pijama! Another benefits like snitching to the city on your neighbor who just installed a new door could provide you with years of satisfaction all while watching people suffer! Pistachios are better in the US. Nothing else comes to mind...
Just to be clear i'm not saying this is a standard level. It happened on a few occasions, most of the time the police will let you go for such a minuscule amount. But they have grounds to charge you, and you'll be convicted if they do. That is, they had. From January 1st this year, marijuana is decriminalized in Croatia, you'll only get a fine for possession.
What I was trying to illustrate is the disproportion of crimes and punishments.
From my experience most of the people who smoke marijuana do it the same way I drink. When I'm out, or in with a crowd. I don't drink alone, and they don't smoke alone. I am not an alcoholic, and they are not drug addicts. If I happen to not go out for a month, I won't drink for a month, and they won't smoke for a month. It's the same thing with ecstasy, cocaine and almost every other drug. You are not automatically an addict if you use them.
Huh, I guess he got more years for whose house he broke into, then again, why would you not have really tight security or the top of the line security system if you were Steve Jobs?
Wow I didn't realize I lived in the absolute zoo you described....nothing is right here is it?
you don't realize how much of a zoo it is until you spend a few years away..
I haven't lived CONUS in about 10 years but last year I had to spend two weeks in Kansas City not exactly the big city but it wasn't a pleasant place to be. We have a long way to go to match our peer in social responsibility.
Sadly, the new 'enlightened' society doesn't think this way. They think, with a little bit of talking, that these murderers will just stop. It's sad, really.
And because I support the death penalty I support killing grandmas?
I support the death penalty for conscious adults who made the decision to end people's lives. Typically if someone murders multiple people, they would do it again given the opportunity. Whether it is in prison or on the outside, it makes no difference, they will take another person's life. So what is better, to end the life of someone who has no regard for the lives of others, or to let said individual continue to be a "menace to society"?
Supporting is meaningless without direct and factual participation in a given act. Now, when it comes to death penalty, regardless how you look at it from the comfort of your tasteless lazy-boy chair, the reality is that one human, or a group of humans kill another human. Effectively killing is extended to yet another act of killing. More killing. Next, are you ready in all aspects to take a life away from another person? Do you have the cold blood to pull the trigger on the heart beat or the breath of a person and what is now important, are you ready to live with it? Those are fundamental issues and should never be taken lightly. Whether you are punishing someone for a horrible crime, or executing someone else's decision and judgement you are still killing. Legal or not, you kill.
Rather than "supporting" an unknown to most of us act of killing it would be a good idea to study it's effects on people who have experienced the execution of actual killing.
Lol from my tasteless lazy boy chair? Your argument obviously comes from emotion if you're injecting tasteless insults into your reply.
I've thought about the death penalty plenty. Am *I* personally ready to execute serial killers? No, I have not applied for that job, but I'm sure that there are people in the world that have a taste for it and would definitely apply when given the opportunity. Whether or not we want to subject a person to executing people makes no difference, the death penalty serves to protect people within society. It is not an act of revenge, a public statement or any combination of the two. The death penalty is a service to society; removing the person who kills without remorse, and would CONTINUE to do so given the opportunity.
PS: "Supporting is meaningless without direct and factual participation in a given act." - lol. It's called voting. /tryharder
Jeez, what happened to this thread? Last time I looked, people were discussing clowns. Now we're on Death Row. What did I miss?
The death penalty is killing and in itself and logically it does not provide any protection to the society as the convicted individual is already locked up!!! With this widespread "logic" politicians should exercise more effort to properly phrase suggested bills so voters like yourself will at least have a basic idea of what they are voting for or against. Again, it would be productive for the death penalty enthusiasts to personally experience ending another persons life to really understand the impact of such significant act within our kind.