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Butterfly Keyboard is better than new MacBook Pro

dan9700

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So I've seen a lot of videos on the new one and with the 2019 MacBook Pro they fixed all the issues as. one has never gone wrong, and the flatness is so much nicer the magic keyboard is a lot taller and doesn't look sleek im sure it will type well but the latest butterfly keyboard has been great and I think it looks more modern the key travel is fine, the new one looks more like the old MacBooks with thicker keys
 
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dan9700 said:
kinda is when they design a product it has to look modern and pleasing and like I said the new one looks more like 2015 keyboard cos everyone moaned the 2019 MacBooks with fixed butterfly has been flawless
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Functionality looks good enough. Tactility is also very important. Apple has focussed on looks way too much for way too long. It's important for sure. But it shouldn't get in the way of functionality.

Of course there will always be different opinions and you are rightfully expressing yours. But i think most people were against these butterfly keys.

I hope Apple continues to listen to people who work with these machines for large parts of every day of every week.
 
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dan9700 said:
kinda is when they design a product it has to look modern and pleasing and like I said the new one looks more like 2015 keyboard cos everyone moaned the 2019 MacBooks with fixed butterfly has been flawless
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Sorry but this is the strongest cope comment I have ever seen.
 
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Haven’t there been issues with the gen 3 butterfly? I recall lots of issues with the new MBA keyboards (unbox therapy has a video), and I thought they had the same gen 3 butterfly.

this is not to say issues are common with gen 3, but at the end of the day if something does go wrong you’re looking at a whole bottom case replacement. New magic keyboard has pop off key caps again. I like good industrial design as much as the next guy, but function over form please.
 
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dan9700 said:
So I've seen a lot of videos on the new one and with the 2019 MacBook Pro they fixed all the issues as. one has never gone wrong, and the flatness is so much nicer the magic keyboard is a lot taller and doesn't look sleek im sure it will type well but the latest butterfly keyboard has been great and I think it looks more modern the key travel is fine, the new one looks more like the old MacBooks with thicker keys
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You're in luck! The early-2019 Macbook Pros will be available for bottom dollar on ebay going forward as most folks don't even want to touch them (type on them?) with a 10-foot pole.
 
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I think Dan is in the minority that actually enjoys and like the butterfat keyboards. You should try the new one, clearly everyone including Apple knew that their butterflies were utter garbage.
 
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I think Dan is in the minority that actually enjoys and like the butterfat keyboards. You should try the new one, clearly everyone including Apple knew that their butterflies were utter garbage.
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I didn't mind the shallow keys but the failure rates, always wondering and worrying when my time was up, was stressful considering how much these machines cost...

I picked up the 16" today at Best Buy and the KB is night and day better.... It's not even close, really... I actually, dare I say it, trust this KB....
 
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dan9700 said:
So I've seen a lot of videos on the new one and with the 2019 MacBook Pro they fixed all the issues as. one has never gone wrong, and the flatness is so much nicer the magic keyboard is a lot taller and doesn't look sleek im sure it will type well but the latest butterfly keyboard has been great and I think it looks more modern the key travel is fine, the new one looks more like the old MacBooks with thicker keys
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I'm glad you think the butterfly keyboard in the 2019 MacBook Pro doesn't have anymore issues :).

That being said, I have little faith in the new keyboard in the 16" MacBook Pro and I wouldn't rush to get one until I have seen them in use for awhile.
 
dan9700 said:
So I've seen a lot of videos on the new one and with the 2019 MacBook Pro they fixed all the issues as. one has never gone wrong, and the flatness is so much nicer the magic keyboard is a lot taller and doesn't look sleek im sure it will type well but the latest butterfly keyboard has been great and I think it looks more modern the key travel is fine, the new one looks more like the old MacBooks with thicker keys
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One has never gone wrong? There has not been a single failure?


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Haven’t there been issues with the gen 3 butterfly? I recall lots of issues with the new MBA keyboards (unbox therapy has a video), and I thought they had the same gen 3 butterfly.

this is not to say issues are common with gen 3, but at the end of the day if something does go wrong you’re looking at a whole bottom case replacement. New magic keyboard has pop off key caps again. I like good industrial design as much as the next guy, but function over form please.
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I think Unbox Therapy made that video early in 2019 about a 2018 MBA, well before the 2019 latest generation butterfly keyboard was released.

The 2019 Keyboard has been out for about 4 months +-, and it seems to be holding up much better. Certainly nowhere near the issues of the earlier generation keyboards. Tech sites are starting to acknowledge this improvement. For example, per an article in iMore today:

"Apple did fix the butterfly keyboard. Without the numbers in front of me (because there is no such thing), I haven't heard a single complaint about the third-generation butterfly keyboard's reliability and that's a stark difference from the previous two generations."

That said, we don't have hard data, and I would be stunned if there have been zero failures of the 2019 Butterfly keyboard. I would also be surprised if there were zero failures with the new 16in MBP keyboard after 4 months. All mass produced keyboard designs are going to have some failures. The only question is wether the failure rate is acceptable.

BTW - I have a 2019 MBA, and it has been flawless.
 
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dan9700 said:
kinda is when they design a product it has to look modern and pleasing and like I said the new one looks more like 2015 keyboard cos everyone moaned the 2019 MacBooks with fixed butterfly has been flawless
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You might end up liking it more. I have a 2019 15 inch with no issues and I’ve got a 16 inch that is supposed to be delivered Saturday. I’ll test them both and if the 16 inch keyboard doesn’t feel better or offer a better user experience, then I will return it.
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Mainsail said:
I think Unbox Therapy made that video early in 2019 about a 2018 MBA, well before the 2019 latest generation butterfly keyboard was released.

The 2019 Keyboard has been out for about 4 months +-, and it seems to be holding up much better. Certainly nowhere near the issues of the earlier generation keyboards. Some tech sites are starting to acknowledge this improvement. For example, per an article in iMore today:

"Apple did fix the butterfly keyboard. Without the numbers in front of me (because there is no such thing), I haven't heard a single complaint about the third-generation butterfly keyboard's reliability and that's a stark difference from the previous two generations."

That said, we don't have hard data, and I would be stunned if there have been zero failures of the 2019 Butterfly keyboard. I would also be surprised if there were zero failures with the new 16in MBP keyboard after 4 months. All mass produced keyboard designs are going to have some failures. The only question is wether the failure rate is acceptable.

BTW - I have a 2019 MBA, and it has been flawless.
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I had a 13 inch 2018 and the keyboard malfunction and SO DID THE REPLACEMENT keyboard.

2019 15 inch keyboard has had zero problems.

i truly think the 2019 revision fixed it. Doesn’t make it more comfortable to type on though!
 
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Yeah but this new keyboard is repairable
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Yes, but the 2019 butterfly keyboard comes with a 4 year warranty. So, you can have your keyboard in the shop being repaired for $$ or you can have it being replaced for free.

BTW - I think either case is unlikely, since the 2019 butterfly KB seems to be pretty reliable, and my guess is that Apple tested the heck out of this new scissor keyboard.
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You might end up liking it more. I have a 2019 15 inch with no issues and I’ve got a 16 inch that is supposed to be delivered Saturday. I’ll test them both and if the 16 inch keyboard doesn’t feel better or offer a better user experience, then I will return it.
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I had a 13 inch 2018 and the keyboard malfunction and SO DID THE REPLACEMENT keyboard.

2019 15 inch keyboard has had zero problems.

i truly think the 2019 revision fixed it. Doesn’t make it more comfortable to type on though!
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Definitely. I think the reliability has improved significantly in the latest iteration of the butterfly KB. Personally, I think the typing experience is fine. I don't really like it better or worse than my old 2014 MBA. But, this is very much a personal preference thing that varies from person to person.
 
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Do we actually know about the repairability of the new keyboard? One of the problems with the butterfly is that it is attached to the case in such a way that the only way to replace it is to replace a huge percentage of the Mac. If this has an easier/cheaper repair, it'll be less of a problem if it develops issues.
 
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