I've had the 17" for a few months and I can't really understand why people sit there and hold their breath for the next big thing. If you want to sit there and wait til the 20 ghz G8 powerbook with 3d display and robot technology,then by all means go ahead. As for myself I'm set for a few years until the G5 powerbook with OLED and 3ghz comes out.
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You're such a joker!!
HEHE. You can't separate the hardware from the OS genius, because one can't work without the other.
TOGETHER they make...say it with me...a "computer" and create the "computing/user experience".
Okay, say this with me in regards to Gateway [to Hell]..."bankruptcy".
Go ahead and buy that [P]iece o' [C]rap. Have fun getting repairs honored when they're out of business next year.
Let's see, they've changed their advertising campaign at least 4 times in the past year, changed their logo, and have resorted to selling televisions to try and generate foot traffic in their crappy cow $h!t stores.
Hmmm... only $2200 you say?
Here's another one for ya..."Liquidation Sale".
Yup. I was actually surprised to hear that Gateway even had 76 stores left to shut down this past March, since they have been closing their doors consistently since 2001.
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2132088,00.html
MOO.
HEHE. You can't separate the hardware from the OS genius, because one can't work without the other.
TOGETHER they make...say it with me...a "computer" and create the "computing/user experience".
Okay, say this with me in regards to Gateway [to Hell]..."bankruptcy".
Go ahead and buy that [P]iece o' [C]rap. Have fun getting repairs honored when they're out of business next year.
Let's see, they've changed their advertising campaign at least 4 times in the past year, changed their logo, and have resorted to selling televisions to try and generate foot traffic in their crappy cow $h!t stores.
Hmmm... only $2200 you say?
Here's another one for ya..."Liquidation Sale".
Yup. I was actually surprised to hear that Gateway even had 76 stores left to shut down this past March, since they have been closing their doors consistently since 2001.
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2132088,00.html
MOO.
Gateway:
I go insulting the company because I watched their quality deteriorate into what they are today. Older Gateways like 486s and early Pentiums were some of the best PCs (for their time) I've ever laid eyes on. However, I've dealt with a lot of recent model Gateways and nearly every single one had some kind of problem, and this was over 40 machines. Not to mention their financial problems. Apple is a solid company with (I believe) $4 billion in the bank, virtually no debt, and profit in this rough tech economy.
Graphics:
It's INTEGRATED VIDEO. It is not good enough for games and graphics work. I'm also going to disregard your comment about how putting a Radeon 9800 Pro in a 1GHz machine will not make it any more powerful. It all depends on what you do. That graphics card will be worth the world on games, for one.
I look at that it has 18 bit color instead of 24 because 24 is the absolute minimum anyone should use for graphic work. Games also look a lot better at 24 bit color than they do at 16 or 18. This machine is obviously not designed for demanding graphics applications, or it would have a better graphics card and screen.
I also don't care if it gets 16 fps more in Q3 than the PowerBook does. I buy a Mac expecting that kind of thing. Also, what kind of resolution is each machine running at? What color depth is each test performed at?
Professional Value:
You say that I may have a point if I buy my machine to look at, but not to do work on. However, I don't see getting serious, professional, graphics or video work done on the Gateway, whereas the PowerBook would handle it fine. What kind of wok does this leave? After all, there are a lot of professions that don't require graphics work. The required work for these is surely nothing the PowerBook can't handle. Many on this board even do 3D modeling on their 15" or 17" PowerBooks, and I use my iBook for programming for my development classes in my CS curriculum.
I still don't see your point, either.
Re: You're such a joker!!
Dude, If u noticed, I said G5 is fast, and that is where the real money are. And all this crap with gateway and bankrupcy. MOOO! First off, people told me they are GOING bankrupt since 2001. And still going and gOiNg ("bankrupt"). Number 2, you dont know sh.. for sure. You just speculate on nothing. Jut like those who speculated about 970 Pbooks to hit the stores on the 23 of july. They even found some crappy links to some garbage websites to satisfy their belief. (Do I spell out religion?)
And lastly, I dont give a damn about Gateway in particular. That was just an example. I can find you a similar computer from your favorites. Dell, toshiba, sony? you name it.
Atleast 12" PB cost decent price. But if you are a billion-ere, i can see why you wouldn't care about spending $3300 on slower technology.
Originally posted by MacQuest
HEHE. You can't separate the hardware from the OS genius, because one can't work without the other.
TOGETHER they make...say it with me...a "computer" and create the "computing/user experience".
Okay, say this with me in regards to Gateway [to Hell]..."bankruptcy".
Go ahead and buy that [P]iece o' [C]rap. Have fun getting repairs honored when they're out of business next year.
Let's see, they've changed their advertising campaign at least 4 times in the past year, changed their logo, and have resorted to selling televisions to try and generate foot traffic in their crappy cow $h!t stores.
Hmmm... only $2200 you say?
Here's another one for ya..."Liquidation Sale".
Yup. I was actually surprised to hear that Gateway even had 76 stores left to shut down this past March 24th, since they have been closing their doors consistently since 2001.
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2132088,00.html
MOO.
Dude, If u noticed, I said G5 is fast, and that is where the real money are. And all this crap with gateway and bankrupcy. MOOO! First off, people told me they are GOING bankrupt since 2001. And still going and gOiNg ("bankrupt"). Number 2, you dont know sh.. for sure. You just speculate on nothing. Jut like those who speculated about 970 Pbooks to hit the stores on the 23 of july. They even found some crappy links to some garbage websites to satisfy their belief. (Do I spell out religion?)
And lastly, I dont give a damn about Gateway in particular. That was just an example. I can find you a similar computer from your favorites. Dell, toshiba, sony? you name it.
Atleast 12" PB cost decent price. But if you are a billion-ere, i can see why you wouldn't care about spending $3300 on slower technology.
Yeah, ilooking, too bad the topic wasn't about the company that makes pcs, but about pcs themselves and how they stick to macs from the hardware point of view. Switching and insulting the company only makes your point more obscure.
I can use dell example if u like them more.
That computer is faster and smaller. maybe it doesnt have the best video card, sure, but still whoops Pbooks at most tasks.
That's the key. Pbooks have their advanatges. But not for the price that 17" are. At what point would you stop saying that Pbooks still are good value? if they were 4k? Or 5k? Maybe $6k?
My point is this. You can't convince people to use macs who just look at raw numbers and dont know anything about small, but im sure very nice things like backlit keyb.
They see this: MHZ, FSB, Weight, Batery life, popularity, how popular company is, and ofcourse, the price.
some other things too, but do you not agree that 3300 is abit too high for a laptop that is perhaps 5 times slower than its own "buddy" Dual G5 who retails for $300 less?
Maybe I just dont see something you see.
Wrong.
If you're so concerned about an all around better computer [complete hardware, OS, and software solution] like the PowerBook costing $1100 more, then I've got a real bargain for ya!!
It's $2000 dollars less than that Crapway!!
RUN!! HURRY!!
http://www.playstation.com/
Maybe if meant www.xbox.com, i'd take you seriously.
I dont think Ps2 with its hardcore 294mhz can cut hardcore graphics.
But you should read more of what I said. I said that games is a decent way (and is one of the official ways) to measure computer power.
Geez, these mac fanboys get so defensive all of the sudden when you tell them the truth they are afraid to hear.
Sorry. I'm not so square, my life don't evolve around praising Macs 24/7. I try to be fair and balanced given the information from all sides.
Sorry. I'm not so square, my life don't evolve around praising Macs 24/7. I try to be fair and balanced given the information from all sides.
Battery life is 6 hours theoretically or in the real world?
USB 2.0 takes up no extra space, so I don't know what you are talking about when you say "for the size of the computer". I bet the next powerbooks have USB 2.0
And how the hell is it 2x faster then the powerbook? In WHAT? I don't understand. Could you show me where it is two times faster?
It will become obselete very quick. PC laptops usually go crap within 2 years. Macs usually stay good for 3-4
And, maybe if HalfLife 2 was ported to the mac (not just ported, but ported GOOD, unlike most games) the mac would be superior. That gateway has an Intel Extreme Graphics card. Ohhh, that is WONDERFUL
Dude, PC laptops straight out suck. Im not trying to be a zealot, but they just suck. My friend has 1 that his parents bought him. Its like a 2.4GHz P4 w/ 14.1" Screen and stuff.
Its horrible. It feels like crap, the trackpad sucks. Networking is horrible too (Windows).
I DO think that PC Desktops have a place in the world (Gaming), but a PC laptop is just...bleh. Why would you even play games on a 14.1" Screened Crap Ass Graphic Card Laptop?
The only games I would play are Solitaire and stuff. That is why I built a gaming PC, for games. My mac is still far superior in ever other thing I do. Hardware and Software
5 times faster? WTF?!?
Dude, I don't know where the hell you get you numbers.
"Oh, the Gateway is 2x faster then the powerbook!"
In what, might I ask. I don't want the answer "Common Tasks".
Common tasks are email, typing, chat, etc. I dont think it does any of those faster. And games?
Why dont you use Quake as the benchmark.
If I can get 110FPs on my G4 500MHz w/Radeon 8500, I think that powerbook can get 170.
Re: Re: You're such a joker!!
Damn Skippy!! There may be some hope for you yet...may...
No one said that the one thing that they could do right would happen over night...but just like the junk OS they run, "If at first you don't succeed...you must be crashing WinBlows." Don't worry, I, along with most Wall Street analysts, feel confident that Gateway will reach their goal really soon.
Personally, I never bought into those rumors...
Favorite? Windows computer?! LOL!!
Here ya go.
Some recently published educated information from an unbiased 3rd party:
http://www.consumerreports.org/main...&FOLDER<>folder_id=162693&bmUID=1054224175175
Those results are why you pay more for Apple products.
A little extremist don't ya think?
Damn Skippy!! There may be some hope for you yet...may...
No one said that the one thing that they could do right would happen over night...but just like the junk OS they run, "If at first you don't succeed...you must be crashing WinBlows." Don't worry, I, along with most Wall Street analysts, feel confident that Gateway will reach their goal really soon.
Personally, I never bought into those rumors...
Favorite? Windows computer?! LOL!!
Here ya go.
Some recently published educated information from an unbiased 3rd party:
http://www.consumerreports.org/main...&FOLDER<>folder_id=162693&bmUID=1054224175175
Those results are why you pay more for Apple products.
A little extremist don't ya think?
1.6 centrino is around 2.6 P4. Even on laptops it will smoke any current G4. Give me a break.
Second PBook pushes out 75 fps in q3, it even says on apple website. so get quiet there with your 170.
http://www.apple.com/powerbook/graphics.html
And PC dies 1-2 years LOL, you really dont know crap then. I know people who are still using 166mhz p1 laptops ok?
And, C'mon tell me that Pbook is faster for games than centrino. I dare you to say and prove that. Damn crappy Unreal Tournament requires G4 733 and runs like **** on on 733.
While if you have 850Mhz Athlon, you can smoke people in that game no problem.
PC laptops > Mac laptops
From speed factor.
And if you just refuse to realize and see that. We don't even need to continue that conversation. Feel they way you want. Im standing behing everything I said.
Period.
Re: Re: Re: You're such a joker!!
macquest, that's an interesting website u got there from consumer reports. I'd have to check that out in detail in order to comment on that, which i dont have time right now, but i certainly will tomorrow.
Well, for extra $1200, i can fix it many many times over anyways J/k
Originally posted by MacQuest
Damn Skippy!! There may be some hope for you yet...may...
No one said that the one thing that they could do right would happen over night...but just like the junk OS they run, "If at first you don't succeed...you must be crashing WinBlows." Don't worry, I, along with most Wall Street analysts, feel confident that Gateway will reach their goal really soon.
Personally, I never bought into those rumors...
Favorite? Windows computer?! LOL!!
Here ya go.
Some recently published educated information from an unbiased 3rd party:
http://www.consumerreports.org/main...&FOLDER<>folder_id=162693&bmUID=1054224175175
Those results are why you pay more for Apple products.
A little extremist don't ya think?
macquest, that's an interesting website u got there from consumer reports. I'd have to check that out in detail in order to comment on that, which i dont have time right now, but i certainly will tomorrow.
Well, for extra $1200, i can fix it many many times over anyways
J/k
First, where does it say a 1.6GHz Centrino is like a 2.6GHz P4? Or did you just hear this?
Second, Apple is wrong. My friend with a Powerbook 667 can get 75FPS easy, and he has a 32MB Graphics Card. With a certain setting (forgot the name), it doubles your framerate (just about), and the game looks the same.
I did not say the PC dies in 1-2 years, it just becomes useless. People consider it slow, it gets problems, etc.
And, can you compare a game that is actually ported to the mac under a good port? Quake 3 is currently THE benchmark. And I CAN prove to you that the PowerBook will keep pace with the Centrino.
And, how are PC laptops greater then Mac laptops? Even if it is just speed factor*. Seriously, my brother has an iBook 900. His friends with the new PC laptops want to sell them and get the iBook because of its superior design, size, looks, feel, capabilities, etc.
*They are not faster in anything BUT games, and not all games are they faster in. I bet you Photoshop runs faster, editing video, and just about everything else. Stop referring to games, we are talking about LAPTOPS. Nobody uses a laptop as a gaming machine. Its not even a benchmark (laptop wise).
Re: Re: Re: Re: You're such a joker!!
Cool.
FYI, this report was also done about 9 months ago.
Since that report last year, Apple has gone up in all categories while the distant 2nd place Dell continues to decline in all categories.
The bottom line? the reason that Apple is a DISTANT 1st place while all the Windows computers are [kind of] bunched all together can best be described by the old saying, " You're only as strong as your weakest link."
Windows is the weak link that all Dell, HP, Gateway, Sony, Toshiba, AlienWare [no matter how cool the case looks], etc. share.
You can have a really fast car, but if you put junky gas in it...You can be a body builder, but if you got AIDS...well, you get the idea.
Just like you can't judge a book buy it's cover, you can't judge a computer by it's parts, because the problem is Windows.
Windows is the AiDS in the cool AlienWare enclosure.
Take it easy Rezet.
Originally posted by Rezet
macquest, that's an interesting website u got there from consumer reports. I'd have to check that out in detail in order to comment on that, which i dont have time right now, but i certainly will tomorrow.
Well, for extra $1200, i can fix it many many times over anyways
Cool.
FYI, this report was also done about 9 months ago.
Since that report last year, Apple has gone up in all categories while the distant 2nd place Dell continues to decline in all categories.
The bottom line? the reason that Apple is a DISTANT 1st place while all the Windows computers are [kind of] bunched all together can best be described by the old saying, " You're only as strong as your weakest link."
Windows is the weak link that all Dell, HP, Gateway, Sony, Toshiba, AlienWare [no matter how cool the case looks
], etc. share.You can have a really fast car, but if you put junky gas in it...You can be a body builder, but if you got AIDS...well, you get the idea.
Just like you can't judge a book buy it's cover, you can't judge a computer by it's parts, because the problem is Windows.
Windows is the AiDS in the cool AlienWare enclosure.
Take it easy Rezet.
Yeah, I'm sure apple is wrong on their own website trying to advertise its own product. One thing I've learned is that apple never lies about things that it doesn't benefit from. If they lie, you can be sure the lie is gonna be on their side, not competitor's.
)As for that 1.6 centrino = 2.5ghz P4, It is a fact. GO to intel's website and find out for yourself. I'm actually surprised you didn't know that. Centrinos also do have better battery life than Pbooks. That also is a fact.
Power books are slower than Centrinos in almost everything, my friend. I doubt even apple's favorite Photoshop tests would save it. I DON'T doubt that Macs have superior OS, and that apple sure knows how to make more or less reliable computers, back it up with stylish design and very nice small fetures that underline apple's "difference". But by raw numbers, PCs win (unless of course it is a Dual G5
).Aztec, dont get me wrong dude, Im not here to bash macs. I like macs, i was waiting for 15" Pbook update since February. And even though it's slower, I would still buy it if they updated the series a little bit.
As for your ibook, well you started the sentence saying that macs don't loose in speed, but ended the sentence by saying your friends wanted to switch because of every single reason BUT mac's "superrior" power.
If you start an independent poll here in the forum asking which computer is faster 1.6 Centrino or 1Ghz Pbook, stay assured, even most mac fans will admit that PCs have more raw power.
But ohh well. Stay with your opinion. I don't care that much really.
I haven't made up my mind on which portable to buy, and I wouldn't askyou for advice on "what's better PCs or macs".
I'm done with this post. You can have a last word if you want.
Cheers!
I hope you guys don't mind me getting involved ---
For $3,300, this is what I can do on a Mac -
1. Edit videos over FCP, the BEST video editing software in the world!
2. Catalog photos on iPhoto and easily post them on the web
3. Catalong my tunes on iTunes and easily buy music from the Music Store
4. Burn an AWESOME DVD with professional iDVD backrounds
5. Plug my computer into the Television, through S-VIDEO, and admire my filmmaking over the Big Screen!
6. Have an AWESOME wireless internet DISTANCE (thank you Airport Extreme)
7. Create my own music over SoundTrack
....and more
For $2,200, this is what I could do with a PeeCee:
1. I could attempt to edit videos.... first I would have to purchase a $1,000+ software, if not more..... and take forever to learn an awkward, PC, interface of video editing
2. I can't even catalog photos on a PeeCee --- I could keep them in a folder though, and make the thumbnails look like pics, and pretend that its iPhoto Beta
3. Catalog music on a PeeCee??? I haven't even figured out how to encode a CD on those things! And there is no music store - I'll have to fiddle with Gnuttella
4. Burn a CD? First I'll have to buy Toast or something..... but that doesn't even have the professional themes of iTunes.... plus, Apple's DVD-R's are the most universal, according to DV.com....
5. I don't know of any PC laptop that I can plug into my TV, through a simple S-Video cable....
6. Yes we have wireless on these computers..... but their distance doesn't seem to be very good
7. I can't create ANY unlicensed music on WinDoZe!!!
So yes --- for $2200, you do get a faster computer, but you lose out on -
1. Better applications/software
2. More options and more inputs (S-Video)
Lastly --- sure its fast..... but I can see myself wasting time trying to get the PC to work right, then I would waiting for my Mac to render a video.......
In my opinion, Macs make my productivity MUCH MORE faster --- and with processor speeds in mind, that makes all my work much faster
For $3,300, this is what I can do on a Mac -
1. Edit videos over FCP, the BEST video editing software in the world!
2. Catalog photos on iPhoto and easily post them on the web
3. Catalong my tunes on iTunes and easily buy music from the Music Store
4. Burn an AWESOME DVD with professional iDVD backrounds
5. Plug my computer into the Television, through S-VIDEO, and admire my filmmaking over the Big Screen!
6. Have an AWESOME wireless internet DISTANCE (thank you Airport Extreme)
7. Create my own music over SoundTrack
....and more
For $2,200, this is what I could do with a PeeCee:
1. I could attempt to edit videos.... first I would have to purchase a $1,000+ software, if not more..... and take forever to learn an awkward, PC, interface of video editing
2. I can't even catalog photos on a PeeCee --- I could keep them in a folder though, and make the thumbnails look like pics, and pretend that its iPhoto Beta
3. Catalog music on a PeeCee??? I haven't even figured out how to encode a CD on those things! And there is no music store - I'll have to fiddle with Gnuttella
4. Burn a CD? First I'll have to buy Toast or something..... but that doesn't even have the professional themes of iTunes.... plus, Apple's DVD-R's are the most universal, according to DV.com....
5. I don't know of any PC laptop that I can plug into my TV, through a simple S-Video cable....
6. Yes we have wireless on these computers..... but their distance doesn't seem to be very good
7. I can't create ANY unlicensed music on WinDoZe!!!
So yes --- for $2200, you do get a faster computer, but you lose out on -
1. Better applications/software
2. More options and more inputs (S-Video)
Lastly --- sure its fast..... but I can see myself wasting time trying to get the PC to work right, then I would waiting for my Mac to render a video.......
In my opinion, Macs make my productivity MUCH MORE faster --- and with processor speeds in mind, that makes all my work much faster
Not sure
How this devolved into a PC vs. Mac debate. Frankly, I can't believe there is such a thing. To me, PC and Macs are two totally different animals due to OS X and Windows. I'm willing to pay a premium to not have to use Windows, and I think most Mac users are in the same boat.
As far as the 17" Powerbook thing. For me the 17 Powerbook just LOOKED a little too big, but the extra $600 really nailed it. Not that I *couldn't* have afforded it, but I wanted to spend that $600 on more memory and accessories for my incoming 15".
If I decide that I like laptops too much and my desktop sits unused, it'll get sold and I'll get a studio display, or sell both and replace with the 17".
I'm glad that Apple makes all these different laptops to fit all these different personalities...
How this devolved into a PC vs. Mac debate. Frankly, I can't believe there is such a thing. To me, PC and Macs are two totally different animals due to OS X and Windows. I'm willing to pay a premium to not have to use Windows, and I think most Mac users are in the same boat.
As far as the 17" Powerbook thing. For me the 17 Powerbook just LOOKED a little too big, but the extra $600 really nailed it. Not that I *couldn't* have afforded it, but I wanted to spend that $600 on more memory and accessories for my incoming 15".
If I decide that I like laptops too much and my desktop sits unused, it'll get sold and I'll get a studio display, or sell both and replace with the 17".
I'm glad that Apple makes all these different laptops to fit all these different personalities...
well said Plut
on that note --- I originally wandered into this thread because I just purchased my own 17" laptop!!!
I can't wait!!!!
My LapZilla is gonna ROCK!!!!
on that note --- I originally wandered into this thread because I just purchased my own 17" laptop!!!
I can't wait!!!!
My LapZilla is gonna ROCK!!!!
Rezet!
I did a search on internet to find a Dell or Sony or whatever with same screen.
It's hard to get into graphic specs since it's not the selling point for PC-s.
Still, I found that to get same screen resolution as TiBooks and 17" has, one has to pay as much, in some cases even more.
Centrino notebook with good Display costs about 2500-4000$!!!
for graphic pros, screen size, bitness and resolution does matter.
Try Photoshop on a 1024x768 and thousands of colours and You see
I did a search on internet to find a Dell or Sony or whatever with same screen.
It's hard to get into graphic specs since it's not the selling point for PC-s.
Still, I found that to get same screen resolution as TiBooks and 17" has, one has to pay as much, in some cases even more.
Centrino notebook with good Display costs about 2500-4000$!!!
for graphic pros, screen size, bitness and resolution does matter.
Try Photoshop on a 1024x768 and thousands of colours and You see
Yep... I too purchased a new 17" PB yesterday. I've passed my 12" on to the wife.
I do have one complaint with the 17 incher:
There is so much empty space on that tray, it wouldn't have hurt to make the keypad a tad bigger. At the very least they could have moved the keyboard forward a bit instead of right up against the screen. I guess they wanted to save money by using the 12" one.
I have to remove my watch when using it as my wrists rest on the actual machine. I'm scared of scratching it.
I do have one complaint with the 17 incher:
There is so much empty space on that tray, it wouldn't have hurt to make the keypad a tad bigger. At the very least they could have moved the keyboard forward a bit instead of right up against the screen. I guess they wanted to save money by using the 12" one.
I have to remove my watch when using it as my wrists rest on the actual machine. I'm scared of scratching it.
Several points discussed here are simply ludicrous...
I bought the 17inch even before Joswiak confirmed the availability of the G5 in PowerBooks.
I'm happy with it, its the best portable I've EVER used. Some people will say that I got pwned because I can get an Alienware for the same price. Thats bad because at the point in which Apple DOES want to announce the G5 PowerBook, the Alienware won't sell for more than 400$. At least on the 17inch, the resale value is A LOT better.
One person said here that we shouldn't go into software, I think we should because if it weren't for the software, there would be no use for the hardware.
Half of what makes PC users complain is not necessarely the hardware configs, its the OS they are using: Windows. In my opinion, after about a week of using a new PC with Windows, it gets that same old familiar feel that you get with other PCs, and it feels like junk. With my Mac, everytime I wake up, its like I'm staring at the same laptop I bough a couple weeks ago.
Although I DO agree with some that the 17 inch ISNT for just chatting, surfing, word but that's all I intended to do with my 17 inch when I BOUGHT it. Now, I'm using Ableton Live, Traktor DJ, and Photoshop. Once you purchase the 17inch, it opens you up to a lot of possibilites which I'm able to take advantage of.
ND
I bought the 17inch even before Joswiak confirmed the availability of the G5 in PowerBooks.
I'm happy with it, its the best portable I've EVER used. Some people will say that I got pwned because I can get an Alienware for the same price. Thats bad because at the point in which Apple DOES want to announce the G5 PowerBook, the Alienware won't sell for more than 400$. At least on the 17inch, the resale value is A LOT better.
One person said here that we shouldn't go into software, I think we should because if it weren't for the software, there would be no use for the hardware.
Half of what makes PC users complain is not necessarely the hardware configs, its the OS they are using: Windows. In my opinion, after about a week of using a new PC with Windows, it gets that same old familiar feel that you get with other PCs, and it feels like junk. With my Mac, everytime I wake up, its like I'm staring at the same laptop I bough a couple weeks ago.
Although I DO agree with some that the 17 inch ISNT for just chatting, surfing, word but that's all I intended to do with my 17 inch when I BOUGHT it. Now, I'm using Ableton Live, Traktor DJ, and Photoshop. Once you purchase the 17inch, it opens you up to a lot of possibilites which I'm able to take advantage of.
ND
Do you know what website you are posting on? Does MacRumors not tell you something? Of course, people here get defensive when PC snobs attack. Personally, keep your ultrafast PC from whatever manufacturer you want. I'll take my Rev A iMac over whatever Ghz PC you like because it does what I need and does it with style and stability.
Originally posted by Rezet
Yeah, I'm sure apple is wrong on their own website trying to advertise its own product. One thing I've learned is that apple never lies about things that it doesn't benefit from. If they lie, you can be sure the lie is gonna be on their side, not competitor's.
As for that 1.6 centrino = 2.5ghz P4, It is a fact. GO to intel's website and find out for yourself. I'm actually surprised you didn't know that. Centrinos also do have better battery life than Pbooks. That also is a fact.
Power books are slower than Centrinos in almost everything, my friend. I doubt even apple's favorite Photoshop tests would save it. I DON'T doubt that Macs have superior OS, and that apple sure knows how to make more or less reliable computers, back it up with stylish design and very nice small fetures that underline apple's "difference". But by raw numbers, PCs win (unless of course it is a Dual G5
Aztec, dont get me wrong dude, Im not here to bash macs. I like macs, i was waiting for 15" Pbook update since February. And even though it's slower, I would still buy it if they updated the series a little bit.
As for your ibook, well you started the sentence saying that macs don't loose in speed, but ended the sentence by saying your friends wanted to switch because of every single reason BUT mac's "superrior" power.
If you start an independent poll here in the forum asking which computer is faster 1.6 Centrino or 1Ghz Pbook, stay assured, even most mac fans will admit that PCs have more raw power.
But ohh well. Stay with your opinion. I don't care that much really.
I haven't made up my mind on which portable to buy, and I wouldn't askyou for advice on "what's better PCs or macs".
I'm done with this post. You can have a last word if you want.
Cheers!
Rezet, just by your presence on this board, you as a person serve as a performative contradiction to what you said above.
EDIT: Whoops! You serve as the contradiction to the "fanboys" post, not the one above, hehe.
ND
Re: Re: Re: Re: You're such a joker!!
Yeah, you better be kidding. Fixing a laptop ONCE will cost $1200. I dropped my iBook once and the repair bill was $700. The only reason I actually fixed it (the machine was working fine, it was a cosmetic/semi-functional issue) was because my credit card company reimbursed me for the repairs.
Now notice something about this. I dropped my Apple laptop from a height of 3 feet onto a concrete floor, and the machine was hardly damaged. Had I dropped an entirely plastic (despite having a plastic shell, the iBooks frame is magnesium), cheaply built PC laptop, I wouldn't be able to say the same.
I don't understand how you can say that I only focus on that Gateway is a bad computer company. I have given many reasons why the PowerBook is altogether a better computer than the Gateway, and is worth the extra $1100 to anyone who uses their computer for serious work.
So here's what I'm going to do for you. I'm going to compare the 15" PowerBook to a 15" Dell. Both have widescreen displays, and both are from companies known for good reliability.
The 15.4" Dell needs to be upgraded quite a bit to match the configuration of the PowerBook, and when the dust clears the Dell with a 2.2GHz P4, 64MB graphics card, 60GB hard drive, 512MB of RAM, Wi-Fi card, and DVD burner costs $2199. This is still less than the comparable 15" PowerBook (1GHz/SuperDrive) for $2599.
What the Dell has going for it:
-Price: Cheaper than the PowerBook
-Speed: Faster than the PowerBook. I'm not disputing this.
What the Dell has against it:
-Weight: It weighs "as little as 6.9lbs" (i.e. without the optical drive). The PowerBook weighs 5.3lbs with everything.
-Size: The Dell is bigger in every dimension than the PowerBook, and the difference is significant.
-Design: The Dell is ugly and feels clunky to use (and yes, I have used Dells) While this is a small point, it's nice to have a well designed laptop such as the PowerBook
And probably the worst:
OS: The Dell runs Windows XP Pro, which is not as nice to use as Mac OS X, not to mention stability and security issues in Windows.
In my opinion, the PowerBook is well worth the extra $400 considering only the hardware. I don't want a laptop that weighs 7lbs or more. If Apple can get a 15" screen into a 5.3lb laptop why can't Dell? It is a much better designed machine, and while there are some nice PC notebooks the PC manufacturers can never seem to get their stuff to look and feel as nice as Apples. Not to mention the OS issue with PCs.
Originally posted by Rezet
Well, for extra $1200, i can fix it many many times over anyways
Yeah, you better be kidding. Fixing a laptop ONCE will cost $1200. I dropped my iBook once and the repair bill was $700. The only reason I actually fixed it (the machine was working fine, it was a cosmetic/semi-functional issue) was because my credit card company reimbursed me for the repairs.
Now notice something about this. I dropped my Apple laptop from a height of 3 feet onto a concrete floor, and the machine was hardly damaged. Had I dropped an entirely plastic (despite having a plastic shell, the iBooks frame is magnesium), cheaply built PC laptop, I wouldn't be able to say the same.
I don't understand how you can say that I only focus on that Gateway is a bad computer company. I have given many reasons why the PowerBook is altogether a better computer than the Gateway, and is worth the extra $1100 to anyone who uses their computer for serious work.
So here's what I'm going to do for you. I'm going to compare the 15" PowerBook to a 15" Dell. Both have widescreen displays, and both are from companies known for good reliability.
The 15.4" Dell needs to be upgraded quite a bit to match the configuration of the PowerBook, and when the dust clears the Dell with a 2.2GHz P4, 64MB graphics card, 60GB hard drive, 512MB of RAM, Wi-Fi card, and DVD burner costs $2199. This is still less than the comparable 15" PowerBook (1GHz/SuperDrive) for $2599.
What the Dell has going for it:
-Price: Cheaper than the PowerBook
-Speed: Faster than the PowerBook. I'm not disputing this.
What the Dell has against it:
-Weight: It weighs "as little as 6.9lbs" (i.e. without the optical drive). The PowerBook weighs 5.3lbs with everything.
-Size: The Dell is bigger in every dimension than the PowerBook, and the difference is significant.
-Design: The Dell is ugly and feels clunky to use (and yes, I have used Dells) While this is a small point, it's nice to have a well designed laptop such as the PowerBook
And probably the worst:
OS: The Dell runs Windows XP Pro, which is not as nice to use as Mac OS X, not to mention stability and security issues in Windows.
In my opinion, the PowerBook is well worth the extra $400 considering only the hardware. I don't want a laptop that weighs 7lbs or more. If Apple can get a 15" screen into a 5.3lb laptop why can't Dell? It is a much better designed machine, and while there are some nice PC notebooks the PC manufacturers can never seem to get their stuff to look and feel as nice as Apples. Not to mention the OS issue with PCs.