As a Mac owner I find what you say about Windows PC absolute nonsense. Windows is a very competent OS in its own right - fact. If you are prepared to pay you can also get some pretty decent hardware. Your posts will be far more effective if they have balance.
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As a Mac owner I find what you say about Windows PC absolute nonsense. Windows is a very competent OS in its own right - fact. If you are prepared to pay you can also get some pretty decent hardware. Your posts will be far more effective if they have balance.
As a WinPC owner for decades, I try to get rid of my nonsense and find a more serious approach.....I am happy to hear that you are satisfied with WinPC.....Apple sells expensive products and customers expect much higher quality. This is my point.
If you try to be more specific, I will understand what is your hint....
mate there is no way i would be able to afford a new 27 inch imac. i was thinking about getting another mac mini. my last mac was a 2009 mac mini that i bought when it was an old model in 2010 for 400 euro.
if she'd bought me a base 2012 model, it would have been a smaller screen, 20% slower processor, worse graphics card. it would have had usb 3.0. thats it.
id rather have the bigger screen and faster computer.
and it could have been worse, she could have bought me a cyan cartridge
As a WinPC owner for decades, I try to get rid of my nonsense and find a more serious approach.....I am happy to hear that you are satisfied with WinPC.....Apple sells expensive products and customers expect much higher quality. This is my point.
If you try to be more specific, I will understand what is your hint....
I found your post to be quite a contradiction there.
While you consider PC quality to be sub-par compared to Mac, you were also complaining about how Apple charges so much and how low their quality of "Made in China" products really are customers would expect more.
When you build a $300 PC tower out of cheapest component available, then yes, it would perform .. well, cheap. Up the game to say $1000 - $2000 build and you get yourself a great hardware, and also Windows come a long way from BSOD and viruses days. It's quite a decent OS nowadays.
Like I said earlier .. as of today, for the most part a well-built PC could do all the things a Mac could.
Either way, PCs and Macs are dying breed though, they're getting smaller while tablets and smartphones getting bigger
I know this is bit off the topic, but I chose Mac over PC over several reasons, even without "professional software" excuse.
1. No more hassling with hardwares.
2. No more hassling with accessories.
3. No more hassling with customer support/user community
4. No more hassling with power adaptors.
I know no. 4 might not affect everyone, but I myself is a frequent flyer. I literally fly anywhere about every 3 months for my work, and it's pain in the ass to consider all the power adaptors for non-apple computers, including all the gadgets like smartphones. I am well aware even non-apple products can accept different voltages, assuming I have the right converters which is another pain in the ass to find in foreign countries.
On top of all of that, I haven't seen a single company that has consistent customer support regardless of countries. For example, many of the S. Korean companies (Samsung, LG, and etc.) tend to have WORSE no typos!*service in Korea. I mean, I've been there for about half a year, and it was always just ridiculous how they responded to my problems.
1. No more hassling with hardwares.
2. No more hassling with accessories.
3. No more hassling with customer support/user community
4. No more hassling with power adaptors.
I know no. 4 might not affect everyone, but I myself is a frequent flyer. I literally fly anywhere about every 3 months for my work, and it's pain in the ass to consider all the power adaptors for non-apple computers, including all the gadgets like smartphones. I am well aware even non-apple products can accept different voltages, assuming I have the right converters which is another pain in the ass to find in foreign countries.
On top of all of that, I haven't seen a single company that has consistent customer support regardless of countries. For example, many of the S. Korean companies (Samsung, LG, and etc.) tend to have WORSE no typos!*service in Korea. I mean, I've been there for about half a year, and it was always just ridiculous how they responded to my problems.
As a WinPC owner for decades, I try to get rid of my nonsense and find a more serious approach.....I am happy to hear that you are satisfied with WinPC.....Apple sells expensive products and customers expect much higher quality. This is my point.
If you try to be more specific, I will understand what is your hint....
The two aren't mutually exclusive. I would also remark that a good workman never blames his tools.
Apple stratigic has changed with iphone5c and ipad mini. my point is simple: "lower the iMac cost, fix QC issues and keep quality high" .....is it hard to achieve?
WinPC has lower performance if you compare desktops Mac vs. Win with similar specs.
Smartphones and tablets are getting bigger and faster but desktops have had a different use. You mean smaller size of tower because display can be as large as a big HDTV.
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on the other hand, better and cheaper tools help a good workman to become more competative....
It sounds very very good! ...but keep in mind, a home-use computer is not a money investment....
All except the mouse. Replace same with something like Logitech Laser. A much better mouse, battery lasts months and great ergonomics.
Hmmmm.
Bearing in mind that the Haswell updates happening this year are now going to be across the whole range by the end of the year. So existing models will get a refresh and the price stays static.
Macbook Air already has Haswell
Macbook Pros are due in the fall.
iMacs also due in the fall.
Mac Minis with Haswell update as well are due this year.
I'm playing the waiting game. For the time being I have converted my laptop into my main computer and got a full size keyboard and another trackpad so can use laptop now on the Thunderbolt display I have with the lid shut on it...
I personally will be looking at the 27" model but with only 8gb ram and ordering an upgrade to 32gb from an authorised reseller, it's much cheaper that way. Apple charge a fortune for 32gb!! (£480 to upgrade from 8gb)..
Mavericks versus Haswell iMac
I realize that no one outside of Apple can answer my question, and I know that if I 'need' a new computer I should buy it now, but it's also fun to speculate.
I will be purchasing an iMac soon (~1 month) that I will use for a lot of scientific calculation work. I would like to get the Haswell iMac since I'm guessing it could have the faster PCIe SSD and *maybe* a bigger SSD in the fusion drive.
The only real downside of waiting is that Mavericks may be out first, and it tends to take some time for software, especially the free stuff, to be updated to support the latest OS. Anybody want to guess if the Haswell iMac will be out before Mavericks is released?
--AFPBoy
I realize that no one outside of Apple can answer my question, and I know that if I 'need' a new computer I should buy it now, but it's also fun to speculate.
I will be purchasing an iMac soon (~1 month) that I will use for a lot of scientific calculation work. I would like to get the Haswell iMac since I'm guessing it could have the faster PCIe SSD and *maybe* a bigger SSD in the fusion drive.
The only real downside of waiting is that Mavericks may be out first, and it tends to take some time for software, especially the free stuff, to be updated to support the latest OS. Anybody want to guess if the Haswell iMac will be out before Mavericks is released?
--AFPBoy
That's why my first sentence pointed out that I am already aware of that.
Perhaps I should make my question more explicit to those with good long-term memories: when iMacs and OSX releases were close together, in what order did they usually come?
I rather suspect that most OSX release will be out before the revised iMacs, since it has more integration with ios7. Put another way the iPhone 5s will officially be announced on 10 September with so ios7 will due out very soon and that would tie in with OSX Mavericks being launched around the same time.
So any new macs of any type would already have it installed. That's what has happened in the past with Mountain Lion.. I bought my 13" macbookpro last year in June and got a FREE upgrade to Mountain Lion in July. The release date of Mountain Lion was 25 July 2012. The release of the 2012 iMac was the end of November.
I hope this helps!
I'm not 100% but i think it'll be a small upgrade and i doubt that most of us even push our processors that hard to actually need a newer one. If you want to wait then go for it then once the update has been announced then you can make your decision. I have a base 21.5' with a fusion drive and it plays games like Portal 2 very smoothly.
Looks like a slightly better wifi card is part of the new update too
Looks like a slightly better wifi card is part of the new update too
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I think you're spot on!
i don't push my MacbookPro that hard. Occasional Creative Suite use, Sibelius use, mainly iTunes 24/7. At the mo I'm treating it like a desktop, connected to Thunderbolt display with external keyboard and mouse (Logitech K260), using eth0, can even use it with lid shut now!
I do notice that Creative Suite on my pc is slightly slower, but not by much, although I use InDesign and Audition more on the pc other apps such as Media Composer are waiting for a new computer..
No point of discussion? Perhaps people will take you more seriously some day when you wake up.
When i was trying to choose which iMac to get i decided that the base was more than enough to do what i'm doing(and i was close to getting a 27' too). Actually i was going to build a custom gaming pc but i knew i wasn't going to really use it what it's intended for haha.
"people" like you, no thanks!
instead of telling me your "words of kindness"...say your opinion or stop talking to me.....
I bought my first computer in the late 80s. If you disagree with me, I have no problem to hear your opinion....
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Personally, I am having a difficult time trying to find an argument for waiting for the Haswell update. As I have read so far, getting a late 2012 i7 iMac would be on par with whatever Haswell model Apple has in store because the primary benefits of the processor involves longer battery life and that's only of use for laptop users. Yes, the wifi card update is significant. But if I'm not upgrading my router anytime soon, then I don't see the point especially if my iMac will be using the ethernet cable anyways. In fact, I think the buyer's guide here for the iMac should be yellow and not red unless there's something huge in the upcoming upgrade.
Anyway, once I round up the cash, I'm picking up the 27" 2012 model as soon as possible!
Anyway, once I round up the cash, I'm picking up the 27" 2012 model as soon as possible!
There are likely to be more updates than just the processor (I've seen rumors of a new graphics card floating around, and also better prices on SSDs). No one knows for sure, so I'm waiting to find out. Feels like we're so close now...
That's what I thought about the current iMac, but as the weeks became months I began to rethink my position
. Hopefully it will be soon.Thanks for the comments, gives me these things to think about.