Buy now rMBP? or wait for Haswell?

[dusk007]

Maybe if you compare it to the old 670M fermi. The hot bad in mobile 40nm gpus. It won't come close to the 670M(X) Kepler. The fermi was just Nvidia being lazy and moving slowly to the 28nm and prioritizing the more important mainstream chips. 670M was just 570M with a little higher clocks it doesn't really count as a 600M part at all IMO.

A 760M will get close to a 670M Kepler.

 

[Mr MM]

given that the 650m and 660m are the same card, and with apple they actually have the same clocks, they sprinkle magic and voilà its faster.

overclocking that gpu family can net close results in synth benchies to the 670m, not real gaming results.

its a matter of arch, gk107 is an entry line, simple as that. it lacks bandwidth, cores and vram speed

 

[dusk007]

Both Samsung and Asus run their 650M at higher clocks. Samsung even at 950 I read somewhere. Not really a magic thing just being cheap.
If they payed for 660Ms, they could call them that in the specsheet. The 650M with newer GDDR5 just wasn't as hot apparently and nobody really wanted to have 660M GTX in their spec sheet so Nvidia lost. I think because they understand the problem the new 760M is a different chip. GTX is a brand and they blew it in the last gen. They had to because initially they didn't have any higher tier Kepler chips.

 

[Mr MM]

Both Samsung and Asus run their 650M at higher clocks. Samsung even at 950 I read somewhere. Not really a magic thing just being cheap.
If they payed for 660Ms, they could call them that in the specsheet. The 650M with newer GDDR5 just wasn't as hot apparently and nobody really wanted to have 660M GTX in their spec sheet so Nvidia lost. I think because they understand the problem the new 760M is a different chip. GTX is a brand and they blew it in the last gen. They had to because initially they didn't have any higher tier Kepler chips.

pretty much that, and the performance for the 670mx and 675mx is abysmal, compared to the 680m they are just entry level, and dont even compare those to the 680mx

 

[bbishop93]

well im officially kicking myself in the d*ck for waiting... Way to go apple. You blew it. I might just now pick up that new sexy razer. I dont need the retina but i love the lightweight thin form factor packing all that power, but now that the razer is out and pretty comparable, apple may have just lost 3k i would have been willing to throw down on the new rMBP.

 

[Krazy Bill]

well im officially kicking myself in the d*ck for waiting... Way to go apple. You blew it.

It was a tactical move necessary to boost MB Air sales. I wish Haswell would've happened also even though I'm not ready to buy until next Summer. This probably means Broadwell MBP's won't be released in a year either.

 

[bbishop93]

It was a tactical move necessary to boost MB Air sales. I wish Haswell would've happened also even though I'm not ready to buy until next Summer. This probably means Broadwell MBP's won't be released in a year either.

it was stupid on apples part I really think the amount of people waiting for the retina macbooks with haswell absolutely more than tripled the amount waiting for them in the air. It was a dumb move and with everyone expecting rMBPs to come and the 13 being thinner and to have haswell who in the right mind would buy a 13 MBA non retina with haswell over a 13 retina with haswell thats just about as thin/light, other than for monetary reasons ofc. But still I dont think anyone waiting for those 13 rMBPs is now gonna think oh lemme get the air...no. The air is on the same level as some tablets with 128 gb storage and 4gb of ram, imo the majority want the rMBPs and all this did for apple was anger a large amount of customers patiently waiting trying to get one before the start of the next school year...

 

[Krazy Bill]

it was stupid on apples part I really think the amount of people waiting for the retina macbooks with haswell absolutely more than tripled the amount waiting for them in the air.

You do realize that other than us 0.0000001%, nobody else has ever heard of Haswell, right?

People that waited will just get the current models, or wait a few more months OR... get the MBA. In the end... Apple still wins.

 

[bbishop93]

You do realize that other than us 0.0000001%, nobody else has ever heard of Haswell, right?

People that waited will just get the current models, or wait a few more months OR... get the MBA. In the end... Apple still wins.

I do believe your stat is BS especially now that Apple just released the MBA with haswell which was like pretty much the only change... Any I'm pissed bc the razer blade is only sold with 8gb of RAM, I'm gonna need more than that so back to the drawing board. I just hate waiting but I'm not gonna drop 3k on a laptop that's gonna be previous gen in possibly 1-3 months....I dont like this game tho its not fun, just release it with haswell already!

 

[nope7308]

I do believe your stat is BS especially now that Apple just released the MBA with haswell which was like pretty much the only change... Any I'm pissed bc the razer blade is only sold with 8gb of RAM, I'm gonna need more than that so back to the drawing board. I just hate waiting but I'm not gonna drop 3k on a laptop that's gonna be previous gen in possibly 1-3 months....I dont like this game tho its not fun, just release it with haswell already!

First world problems. Dude, it's coming this fall. Be patient.

I suspect Apple refreshed the MBA at WWDC because it will likely replace the cMBP as their introductory product. It's clearly targeted at "mainstream users" (i.e., college kids), so they needed to make the announcement before the back-to-school rush begins.

We're still due for a hardware refresh - 802.11ac, TB2, Haswell, PCIe, etc. - but I'm guessing the release was pushed to the fall because of supply chain constraints (i.e., availability of Haswell chips, production of retina screens). No one really knows, though. I don't think it's any coincidence that Mavericks is scheduled for release this fall, which just so happens to coincide with the product cycles for the MBP, MP, and iMac.

If I were a betting man, I'd say mid-October for the refresh. I'm guessing the 13" rMBP will get 802.11ac, HD5000 GPU, TB2, PCIe, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, same thickness as 15". I doubt they'll drop the price, though.

 

[luffytubby]

If the waiting game is now Broadwell, will Broadwell then be fall 2014?:/




You wanna wait for Broadwell. It's going to decrease the temperatures caused by Haswell. It's going to create bigger leaps in both CPU and iGPU performance. Haswell was all about the battery, Broadwell will add a power jump, not seen since Sandy Bridge, while retaining Haswells battery.

You wanna wait for that Maxwell GPU. That's gonna jump. Significantly. PS4 quality graphics in your notebook, son.


750m is almost a low class card by todays standard. 650m when it came out was middle class, the new one. It will struggle with games like TitanFall, Witcher 3, and so on!

 

[bbishop93]

If the waiting game is now Broadwell, will Broadwell then be fall 2014?:/




You wanna wait for Broadwell. It's going to decrease the temperatures caused by Haswell. It's going to create bigger leaps in both CPU and iGPU performance. Haswell was all about the battery, Broadwell will add a power jump, not seen since Sandy Bridge, while retaining Haswells battery.

You wanna wait for that Maxwell GPU. That's gonna jump. Significantly. PS4 quality graphics in your notebook, son.


750m is almost a low class card by todays standard. 650m when it came out was middle class, the new one. It will struggle with games like TitanFall, Witcher 3, and so on!

I cant wait any longer than the summer lol I need a new comp theres no way im waiting for broadwell with haswell not even in the rMBP yet lol

 

[bkribbs]

I believe he was kidding.

 

[junkster]

I bought a 15" rMBP within a month after they were released in 2012. That's unusual for me; I'm rarely so cutting edge

But it was totally worth it, even at the original price. It boots in 5 seconds, is fast to the point that I don't think about speed (it's still the fastest computer I own by a long shot), the display is amazing, and I've had no problems at all with it.

If you buy one today, that's what you're getting.

 

[bkribbs]

I bought a 15" rMBP within a month after they were released in 2012. That's unusual for me; I'm rarely so cutting edge

But it was totally worth it, even at the original price. It boots in 5 seconds, is fast to the point that I don't think about speed (it's still the fastest computer I own by a long shot), the display is amazing, and I've had no problems at all with it.

If you buy one today, that's what you're getting.

This site needs to upgrade the quote buttons and such to be crisp but overall looks good!

 

[MacAttackMark]

Can we possibly expect a Retina update anytime soon?

 

[Stetrain]

I do believe your stat is BS especially now that Apple just released the MBA with haswell which was like pretty much the only change... Any I'm pissed bc the razer blade is only sold with 8gb of RAM, I'm gonna need more than that so back to the drawing board. I just hate waiting but I'm not gonna drop 3k on a laptop that's gonna be previous gen in possibly 1-3 months....I dont like this game tho its not fun, just release it with haswell already!

The key feature of the new Air isn't "Haswell". In fact the word Haswell appears nowhere on this page:

http://www.apple.com/macbook-air/

The key new feature is the 12 hour battery life, which is indirectly a result of Haswell.

 

[sofianito]

Can we possibly expect a Retina update anytime soon?

It depends on what Tim is Cooking for us...

I watched the whole WWDC keynote, and could observe at the end how Tim was embarrassed, leaving an enigma behind him regarding the rMBPs specs update... which is not expected to be a major one...