Buying a Retina, need last minute advice!

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    PzychOut macrumors newbie

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    Hey, so I have decided to buy a new Mac and I am looking at the Retina display. I like the SSD and the screen obviously. I am a marketing major and do a lot of design work as well so its seems ideal. I am targeting the higher-end retina, for 2,599. I like the 8GB memory, and the 512GB SSD, plus the slightly better processor...but that price seems a little steep to me. If I opted to go for the base retina, would the small SSD be too small? it would save me 600 bucks though. I really want a lightweight but powerful computer that can last me 4-6 years. please help, I was just approved for the payment plan through online and would like to order this asap as it will take 3-4 weeks to arrive.

    so i basically want to know is the price worth it? Could i survive but prosper with the base retina? and in other words I have some frozen cold feet right now and need to be re-assure to avoid incredible buyers remorse, and to be told that the investment I am about to make will be worth while!
     
  2. intermedial macrumors newbie

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    Only you can determine if 256 GB is going to be enough for you. Fortunately, there is a pretty straightforward way if you need help sizing that up.

    Take an inventory of how much you absolutely must have on the drive at all times. Applications, documents, music, photos, movies, and other media.

    Then consider how long you want to keep the computer for, realistically.

    Now think about how often you add new content to your machine. The best way is to look back over your old habits. How often to you download and store music and movies? Do you have a digital camera? Are you taking photos? Are you going to keep every game you ever play installed on the machine, or uninstall them when you're done? how much data do you accumulate per month? How often do you install new software?

    Then, just do the math. If you're going to install 20-30 GB of software out the gate (Office, iWork, CS6 and Apple Pro Apps), you've got 50 GB of music, 20 GB of documents, 25 GB of photos, well, there's half filled right there. This is fine for you if you only accumulate 1-2 GB of data per month. After 5 years you'll be full up. If you accumulate more, you'll need a larger SSD or external storage.
     
  3. PzychOut thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I can live with the base retina. I will purchase a new external hard drive soon anyways, so i think that will be sufficient for any extra space I may need. so a follow up question that I have is: is apple care worth it? 3 years warranty is pretty nice. but 300 bucks... that is something else to consider. any thoughts? or any third parties selling apple care?
     
  4. Gabik123 macrumors newbie

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    Purchase the computer with student discount (so it is $1999) and applecare is $240 for 3 years, not 350
     
  5. irenaVision macrumors newbie

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    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/ is having a great deal, they offer apple care fro 125$ for retina if bought at same time. They are an awesome vendor. I buy all my electronics and photo equipment from them. Also pending what state you are shipping to, (not NY) chances are purchase will be tax free. They are backordered but you can place order now. A rep told me today they are expecting shipment in 2 weeks. I placed my order about a week ago, but am nervous about some of the display issues reported by some owners of the the retina. I would not feel comfortable purchashing it without the apple care and honestly I was on the fence til I saw this great deal. I had a nonretina antil glare on order that I canceled and am going to try my luck with the retina. First time buying apple care. Lets hope I don't need to use it!
     
  6. NewbieCanada macrumors 68030

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    Has nothing to do with being under 2000 or not - if you buy AppleCare at the student store it's $240 for any MacBook 15 inch, regardless of price.
     
  7. cupcakes2000 macrumors 6502

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    I would consider the base model, I'm sure you will be able to upgrade the hard drive eventually via places like OWC.

    BUT I would definitely go with 16gb ram if you want to make it last as long as possible..

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    I think they might have been suggesting that the computer itself would be cheaper and the Apple care also would.
    Not that Applecare would be cheaper because the computer would be under 2k.
     
  8. stevelam macrumors 65816

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    what software do you need for marketing? take note that adobe software has a ways to go before being updated to retina.
     
  9. PzychOut thread starter macrumors newbie

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    GOing with base model! Does apple care cover damage to laptop: like cracked screen or if i drop it?


    I usually use adobe software... will i be able to tone down the screen a little to utilize the software for now?
     
  10. NewbieCanada macrumors 68030

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    You may be right - but if anyone else interpreted it the way I did, I wanted to be sure they were reassured they can buy any 15" model at the edu store and pay the same price for AppleCare.
     
  11. Nrkid9 macrumors newbie

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    Apple care is completely up to you. Personally I've never used it, none of the computers I've bought from apple ever needed the extra warranty but if you aren't a computer geek like some of us here it's probably better to pick up the extended warranty.
     
  12. Ruby110 macrumors newbie

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    Some credit cards double the manufacturer's warranty. Check your card if you are using one. Using AppleCare is usually faster and more convenient. Also, I found out the hard way that the cc has certain rules that have to be followed or they won't pay.:mad:
     
  13. sinisterdesign macrumors 6502

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    i've got the base model. i'm a graphic designer, i run the usual: Photoshop, Illus, DreamW, blah blah blah and so far it's great. i would use the money saved for a couple of good external drives to throw all your music, vids, photos on one and backup on the other and save the internal drive for apps & files.
     
  14. PzychOut thread starter macrumors newbie

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    To the apple care response: I am tech savvy enough haha, my only concern is with physical damage. I am curious of apple care covers cracked screen or a drop or anything... I need to protect my investment


    that is great! just what i needed to hear. I will definitely buy a external hard drive or two... but would you recommend upgrading the memory?
     
  15. Vampire5003 macrumors 6502

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    I see no ones answered your question, but I will! Yeah for you! First heres what AppleCare covers:

    3. What is Covered? 3.1 Hardware Service
    If during the Coverage Period, you submit a valid claim by notifying Apple that (i) a defect in materials and workmanship has arisen in the Covered Equipment, or (ii) the capacity of a covered iPod battery to hold an electrical charge has depleted fifty (50%) percent or more from its original specifications, Apple will either (a) repair the defect at no charge, using new or refurbished parts that are equivalent to new in performance and reliability, or (b) exchange the Covered Equipment with a replacement product that is new or equivalent to new in performance and reliability, and is at least functionally equivalent to the original product. If Apple exchanges the Covered Equipment, the

    original product becomes Apple’s property and the replacement product is your property with coverage for the remaining period of the Plan.
    3.2 Covered Equipment
    In addition to the Apple-branded product and accessories contained in the original packaging, “Covered Equipment” includes the following according to your Plan:
    (i) Under APP for Mac, (a) one compatible Apple branded display if purchased at the same time as the Covered Equipment, (b) an Apple-branded mouse, Magic Trackpad, Apple Battery Charger and keyboard if included with the Covered Equipment (or purchased with a Mac mini), or (c) an AirPort Extreme Card, an AirPort Express or AirPort Extreme Base Station, Time Capsule, an Apple-branded DVI to ADC display adapter, Apple RAM modules and MacBook Air SuperDrive if used with the Covered Equipment and originally purchased by you no earlier than two years before the Covered Equipment purchase.
    (ii) Under APP for Apple TV, an AirPort Extreme Card, an AirPort Express or AirPort Extreme Base Station and Time Capsule if used with the Covered Equipment and originally purchased by you no earlier than two years before the Covered Equipment purchase.
    3.3 Technical Support
    During the Coverage Period, Apple will provide you with access to telephone and web- based technical support resources. Technical support may include assistance with installation, launch, configuration, troubleshooting, and recovery (except for data recovery), including storing, retrieving, and managing files; interpreting system error messages; and determining when hardware service is required. Apple will provide support for the then-current version of the supported software, and the prior Major Release. For purposes of this section, "Major Release" means a significant version of software that is commercially released by Apple in a release number format such as "1.0" or "2.0" and which is not in beta or pre-release form. The scope of technical support provided to you will vary according to your Plan.
    3.4 Scope of Technical Support
    (i) Under APP for Mac, Apple will provide technical support for the Covered Equipment, Apple’s operating system software (“Mac OS”) and Apple-branded consumer applications pre-installed with the Covered Equipment (“Consumer Software”). Apple will also provide technical support using the graphical user interface for server administration and network management issues on Apple’s operating system server software (“Mac OS Server”) on a Mac.
    (ii) Under APP for iPod, Apple will provide technical support for the Covered Equipment, iPod OS and software applications that are pre-installed with the Covered Equipment (both referred to as "iPod Software") and connectivity issues between the Covered Equipment and a “Supported Computer”, meaning a computer that meets the Covered Equipment’s connectivity specifications and runs an operating system that is supported by the Covered Equipment.
    
    (iii) Under APP for Apple Display, Apple will provide technical support for the Covered Equipment and connectivity issues between the Covered Equipment and a Supported Computer.
    (iv) Under APP for Apple TV, Apple will provide technical support for the Covered Equipment, software applications that are pre-installed with the Covered Equipment (“Apple TV Software”) and connectivity issues between the Covered Equipment, a Supported Computer and a “Supported Television”, meaning a television that meets the Covered Equipment’s connectivity specifications.
    4. What is not Covered?
    4.1 Hardware Service. The Plan does not apply to:
    (i) Installation, removal or disposal of the Covered Equipment, or the provision of equipment while the Covered Equipment is being serviced;
    (ii) Damage caused by (a) a product that is not the Covered Equipment (b) accident, abuse, misuse, liquid contact, fire, earthquake or other external cause, (c) operating the Covered Equipment outside the permitted or intended uses described by the manufacturer, or (d) service (including upgrades and expansions) performed by anyone who is not a representative of Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider (“AASP”);
    (iii) Covered Equipment with a serial number that has been altered, defaced or removed, or has been modified to alter its functionality or capability without the written permission of the manufacturer;
    (iv) Covered Equipment that has been lost or stolen. This Plan only covers Covered Equipment that is returned to Apple in its entirety;
    (v) Cosmetic damage to the Covered Equipment including but not limited to scratches, dents and broken plastic on ports;
    (vi) Consumable parts, such as batteries, except in respect of battery coverage under APP for iPod or unless failure has occurred due to a defect in materials and workmanship;
    (vii) Preventative maintenance on the Covered Equipment; or
    (viii) Defects caused by normal wear and tear or otherwise due to normal aging of the product.
    4.2 Technical Support. The Plan does not include:
    (i) Issues that could be resolved by upgrading software to the then current version;
    (ii) Your use of or modification to the Covered Equipment, the Mac OS, iPod Software, Apple TV Software or Consumer Software in a manner for which the Covered Equipment or software is not intended to be used or modified;
    
    (iii) Third-party products or their effects on or interactions with the Covered Equipment, the Mac OS, Mac OS Server, iPod Software, Apple TV Software or Consumer Software;
    (iv) Your use of a computer or operating system under APP for iPod that is unrelated to iPod Software or connectivity issues with the Covered Equipment;
    (v) Your use of a computer or operating system under APP for Apple Display that is unrelated to connectivity issues with the Covered Equipment;
    (vi) Your use of a computer or operating system under APP for Apple TV that is unrelated to Apple TV Software or connectivity issues with the Covered Equipment;
    (vii) Apple software other than the Mac OS, Mac OS Server, iPod Software, Apple TV Software or Consumer Software as covered under the applicable Plan;
    (viii) Mac OS software for servers, except when using the graphical user interface for server administration and network management issues on Mac OS Server on a Mac;
    (ix) Mac OS software or any Apple-branded software designated as “beta”, “prerelease,” or “preview” or similarly labeled software;
    (x) Third-party web browsers, email applications, and Internet service provider software, or the Mac OS configurations necessary for their use; or
    (xi) Damage to, or loss of any software or data residing or recorded on the Covered Equipment. Recovery and reinstallation of software programs and user data are not covered under this Plan.
    5. How to Obtain Service and Support?
    You may obtain hardware services and technical support by accessing the Apple website (www.apple.com/support) or calling the telephone number listed below. If calling, an Apple technical support representative will answer, request your Plan Agreement Number or Covered Equipment serial number, before providing assistance. Keep your Plan Confirmation document and the original sales receipt for your Covered Equipment and your Plan, as it will be required if there is any question as to your product’s eligibility for coverage.
    6. Hardware Service Options
    6.1 Apple will provide hardware services through one or more of the following options:
    (i) Carry-in service. Carry-in service is available for most Covered Equipment. Return the Covered Equipment to an Apple-owned retail store or an AASP location offering carry-in service. Service will be performed at the location, or the store or service provider may send the Covered Equipment to an Apple repair service (“ARS”) location to be serviced. Once you are notified that service is complete, you will promptly retrieve the Covered Equipment.
    (ii) Onsite service. Onsite service is available for many desktop computers if the location of the Covered Equipment is within 50 miles (80 kilometers) radius of an Apple Authorized Onsite Service Provider. Certain parts serviceable under do-it-yourself parts
    service, as described below, are not be eligible for Onsite service. If Apple determines that onsite service is available, Apple will dispatch a service technician to the location of the Covered Equipment. Service will be performed at the location, or the service technician will transport the Covered Equipment to an AASP or ARS location for repair. If the Covered Equipment is repaired at an AASP or ARS location, Apple will arrange for transportation of the Covered Equipment to your location following service. If the service technician is not granted access to the Covered Equipment at the appointed time, any further onsite visits may be subject to an additional charge.
    (iii) Mail-in service. Direct mail-in service is available for most Covered Equipment. If Apple determines that your Covered Equipment is eligible for mail-in service, Apple will send you prepaid way bills (and if you no longer have the original packaging, packaging material) and you will ship the Covered Equipment to an ARS location in accordance with Apple’s instructions. Once service is complete, the ARS location will return the Covered Equipment to you. Apple will pay for shipping to and from your location if all instructions are followed.
    (iv) Express replacement or do-it-yourself (“DIY”) parts service. Express replacement service is available for certain Covered Equipment products, and DIY parts service is available for many Covered Equipment parts, allowing you to service your own product. If express replacement or DIY parts service is available in the circumstances, the following process will apply.
    (a) Service where Apple requires return of the replaced product or part. Apple may require a credit card authorization as security for the retail price of the replacement product or part and applicable shipping costs. If you are unable to provide credit card authorization, service may not be available to you and Apple will offer alternative arrangements for service. Apple will ship a replacement product or part to you with installation instructions, if applicable, and any requirements for the return of the replaced product or part. If you follow the instructions, Apple will cancel the credit card authorization, so you will not be charged for the product or part and shipping to and from your location. If you fail to return the replaced product or part as instructed or return a replaced product or part that is ineligible for service, Apple will charge the credit card for the authorized amount.
    (b) Service where Apple does not require return of the replaced product or part. Apple will ship you free of charge a replacement product or part accompanied by instructions on installation, if applicable, and any requirements for the disposal of the replaced product or part.
    (c) Apple is not responsible for any labor costs you incur relating to express replacement or DIY parts service. Should you require further assistance, contact Apple at the telephone number listed below.
    6.2 Apple reserves the right to change the method by which Apple may provide repair or replacement service to you, and your Covered Equipment’s eligibility to receive a particular method of service. Service will be limited to the options available in the country where service is requested. Service options, parts availability and response times may vary according to country. You may be responsible for shipping and handling charges if the Covered Equipment cannot be serviced in the country it is in. If you seek service in a country that is not the country of purchase, you will comply with all
    applicable import and export laws and regulations and be responsible for all custom duties, V.A.T. and other associated taxes and charges. For international service, Apple may repair or exchange defective products and parts with comparable products and parts that comply with local standards.
    7. Your Responsibilities
    To receive service or support under the Plan, you agree to comply with the following:
    (i) Provide your Plan Agreement Number and a copy of your Plan’s original proof of purchase, if requested;
    (ii) Provide information about the symptoms and causes of the issues with the Covered Equipment;
    (iii) Respond to requests for information, including but not limited to the Covered Equipment serial number, model, version of the operating system and software installed, any peripherals devices connected or installed on the Covered Equipment, any error messages displayed, actions taken before the Covered Equipment experienced the issue and steps taken to resolve the issue;
    (iv) Follow instructions Apple gives you, including but not limited to refraining from sending Apple products and accessories that are not subject to repair or replacement service and packing the Covered Equipment in accordance with shipping instructions;
    (v) Update software to currently published releases prior to seeking service; and
    (vi) Make sure to backup software and data residing on the Covered Equipment. APPLE MAY REINSTALL THE COVERED EQUIPMENT’S ORIGINAL SOFTWARE CONFIGURATION AND SUBSEQUENT UPDATE RELEASES WHILE PERFORMING SERVICE, WHICH WILL RESULT IN THE DELETION OF ALL SOFTWARE AND DATA THAT RESIDED ON THE COVERED EQUIPMENT PRIOR TO SERVICE. DURING APP FOR IPOD SERVICE, APPLE WILL DELETE THE CONTENTS OF THE IPOD AND REFORMAT THE STORAGE MEDIA. Apple will return your iPod or provide a replacement iPod as the iPod was originally configured, subject to applicable updates. Apple may install iPod OS updates as part of hardware service that will prevent the iPod from reverting to an earlier version of the iPod OS. Third party applications installed on the iPod may not be compatible or work with the iPod as a result of the iPod OS update. You will be responsible for reinstalling all other software programs, data and passwords.
    8. Limitation of Liability
    TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, APPLE AND ITS EMPLOYEES AND AGENTS WILL UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES BE LIABLE TO YOU OR ANY SUBSEQUENT OWNER FOR ANY INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO COSTS OF RECOVERING, REPROGRAMMING, OR REPRODUCING ANY PROGRAM OR DATA OR THE FAILURE TO MAINTAIN THE CONFIDENTIALITY OF DATA, ANY LOSS OF BUSINESS, PROFITS, REVENUE OR ANTICIPATED SAVINGS, RESULTING FROM APPLE’S OBLIGATIONS UNDER THIS PLAN. TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, THE LIMIT OF APPLE AND ITS EMPLOYEES AND AGENT’S LIABILITY TO YOU AND ANY SUBSEQUENT OWNER ARISING UNDER THE PLAN SHALL NOT EXCEED THE ORIGINAL
    PRICE PAID FOR THE PLAN. APPLE SPECIFICALLY DOES NOT WARRANT THAT (i) IT WILL BE ABLE TO REPAIR OR REPLACE COVERED EQUIPMENT WITHOUT RISK TO OR LOSS OF PROGRAMS OR DATA, (ii) IT WILL MAINTAIN THE CONFIDENTIALITY OF DATA, OR (iii) THAT THE OPERATION OF THE PRODUCT WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED OR ERROR-FREE.
    FOR CONSUMERS IN JURISDICTIONS WHO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF CONSUMER PROTECTION LAWS OR REGULATIONS, THE BENEFITS CONFERRED BY THIS PLAN ARE IN ADDITION TO ALL RIGHTS AND REMEDIES PROVIDED UNDER SUCH LAWS AND REGULATIONS. TO THE EXTENT THAT LIABILITY UNDER SUCH LAWS AND REGULATIONS MAY BE LIMITED, APPLE’S LIABILITY IS LIMITED, AT ITS SOLE OPTION, TO REPLACE OR REPAIR OF THE COVERED EQUIPMENT OR SUPPLY OF THE SERVICE. SOME STATES OR PROVINCES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, SO SOME OR ALL OF THE ABOVE LIMITATIONS MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.




    Basically what that means, is that it doesn't cover any kind of physical damage, usually just software and some technical support (like if your HDD fails or your Optical Drive won't work...etc)! Your welcome for the short explanation, but if you want/prefer you may read through the terms of service agreement.
     
  16. PzychOut thread starter macrumors newbie

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    haha thank you for the summary!
     
  17. carlgo macrumors 68000

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    I may go back to school to become an iLawyer.
     
  18. gnasher729 macrumors P6

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    You might go for the base model with 16 GB RAM (because the memory cannot be upgraded) and 256 GB SSD drive (because in a year or two, plenty of companies will sell upgrades for the SSD drive).
     
  19. Man9z0r macrumors regular

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    First off if you go with the base model you can't upgrade to 16 gigs of ram. At least last I checked you couldn't. Also I don't think any company will come out with an SSD for this computer being that it is special to this computer and I am pretty sure also glued in. So what you order is what you are stuck with. :D

    *I was wrong you can upgrade either one to 16 gigs now.
     
  20. csjcsj macrumors member

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    If you haven't bought your mac yet - I thought long and hard on this too. In another thread, someone pointed out that by not getting the base model, you pay 30% more for 10% more in processing power.

    I use all the Adobe apps, often at the same time + Parallels + Bryce (3d software). I went with the base model & did the memory upgrade to 16. I LOVE this new computer.
     
  21. umbilical macrumors 6502a

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    definitely add 16gb of ram!!!!
    is a shame than the high price model dont comes by default with 16gb of ram :mad:
     
  22. dljeffery macrumors regular

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    And 100% more storage. Which is probably why most people getting the pricier model are selecting it. That's definitely why I would... although I suppose even if Apple allowed people to spec the 2.3 GHz model with the 512GB SSD (for an additional $500, I would expect, since that's what the upgrade costs on the Air), I would go ahead and spend the extra $100 for the faster CPU.
     
  23. PzychOut thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I am definitely considering upgrading to the 16GB ram, especially because i found out that apple with recycle my old mac (black) 10.5.8 and give me $188 gift card. so essentially upgrading the ram for free. is that a good deal though, or could i sell it for more?

    processor: 2.16 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo

    Memory: 2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM

    Hard Drive: 185 GB i think...
     
  24. Vampire5003 macrumors 6502

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    I think you could get at least $350 if its still working but on Craigslist and eBay I see blackbooks (black macbook) going for as much as $700 dollars since people love the look. If I were you upgrade the hard drive and RAM in this blackbook (costs around $100-$150) then sell it for like at least $550.
     
  25. PzychOut thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Really? (it is still working but has some freezing problems. would these be fixed by purchasing a new OS X? I havn't done that) well it has some damage to the external shell. Chipping along the edges... I am assuming that would diminish the price a little bit
     

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