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Buymusic.com Blocks Mac Users!
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Re: Hi all.
And letting everyone know what a dope your are...
Seriously, sending hate mail is not going to do any good. If you want to go against Buymusic, the only effective way is to buy music from the iTunes Music Store.
Anyways, no hard feelings, and welcome to Mac Rumors!
irmongoose
And letting everyone know what a dope your are...
Seriously, sending hate mail is not going to do any good. If you want to go against Buymusic, the only effective way is to buy music from the iTunes Music Store.
Anyways, no hard feelings, and welcome to Mac Rumors!
irmongoose
Summary of my buymusic.com experience.
So, I bought song from a Mac. I realized that it really doesn't matter if one can browse the site. When I bought the song, I couldn't download it on the mac (The link just didn't work, and I couldn't figure out what in the javascript wasn't working right to do it). So, I went to a Windows machine and downloaded it. Unfortunately, there is the song, and then there is the license file for the song. Somewhere in the ether, my license file for the song was recorded as having been downloaded already, so I now have the song without a license to play it anywhere. I might try support next just for further amusement, but I think the link to scriptygoddess.com sums that experience up well.
Anyway, I soon came to realization 2: it's based on the latest version of Microsoft's DRM technology. So yes, Windows Media Player 9 is required (and, in fact, needs to be "individualized" so that it can use the latest DRM version and allow your computer to uniquely identify itself). The reason why the Mac is locked out is simple. There is no cross platform DRM solution. The only solution would be to allow MP3 downloads, which isn't a solution at all.
There are, in fact, two options: Apple's version of AAC on the Mac, and Microsoft's WMA on Windows. Therefore, Microsoft's special DRM protected file is little different than Apple's special DRM protected file. WMA 9 is supposedly coming to the Mac, and it might bring its DRM version with it. That's not exactly something I want, but WMP7 for the Mac did have WMP7's version of DRM.
But yes, the licensing terms and privacy policy and everything else about buymusic.com sucks. Watch their ads (another thing you have to do on a PC...): they're not parodies of the iTunes ads â they are straight up rip-offs with the intent to confuse people into associating the two together. I think this quote from Ars Technica sums it up well:
I give it a week, max, before a crack shows up for it. Now I need to go about eradicating my personal info from Buymusic's database...
So, I bought song from a Mac. I realized that it really doesn't matter if one can browse the site. When I bought the song, I couldn't download it on the mac (The link just didn't work, and I couldn't figure out what in the javascript wasn't working right to do it). So, I went to a Windows machine and downloaded it. Unfortunately, there is the song, and then there is the license file for the song. Somewhere in the ether, my license file for the song was recorded as having been downloaded already, so I now have the song without a license to play it anywhere. I might try support next just for further amusement, but I think the link to scriptygoddess.com sums that experience up well.
Anyway, I soon came to realization 2: it's based on the latest version of Microsoft's DRM technology. So yes, Windows Media Player 9 is required (and, in fact, needs to be "individualized" so that it can use the latest DRM version and allow your computer to uniquely identify itself). The reason why the Mac is locked out is simple. There is no cross platform DRM solution. The only solution would be to allow MP3 downloads, which isn't a solution at all.
There are, in fact, two options: Apple's version of AAC on the Mac, and Microsoft's WMA on Windows. Therefore, Microsoft's special DRM protected file is little different than Apple's special DRM protected file. WMA 9 is supposedly coming to the Mac, and it might bring its DRM version with it. That's not exactly something I want, but WMP7 for the Mac did have WMP7's version of DRM.
But yes, the licensing terms and privacy policy and everything else about buymusic.com sucks. Watch their ads (another thing you have to do on a PC...): they're not parodies of the iTunes ads â they are straight up rip-offs with the intent to confuse people into associating the two together. I think this quote from Ars Technica sums it up well:
I give it a week, max, before a crack shows up for it. Now I need to go about eradicating my personal info from Buymusic's database...
Re: Summary of my buymusic.com experience.
they were all pretty lame...apple got people resonably talented at singing and buymusic just grabbed people off the streets and it honestly sounds like ****. and they chose two songs that were...well...not as IMMENSELY well known as the ones Apple chose for their ads.
use mplayer to play those ads...
they were all pretty lame...apple got people resonably talented at singing and buymusic just grabbed people off the streets and it honestly sounds like ****. and they chose two songs that were...well...not as IMMENSELY well known as the ones Apple chose for their ads.
Well, I have been crowned the official "MacRumors Dope." heheheh...
I know... my last post was uncalled for. It was stupidity on my part. I'm not usually that stupid. I didn't really send that message. I just took a pic for posterity and then hit the back button. I thought it was funny cause of the Zero Wing quote.
Whatever the case, BuyMusic.com is a blatant ripoff of iTMS, and even though I have a cheap Dell as a secondary box, I will not support them.
I think I can rest my case.
As for the no hard feelings, same to you.
--Z
I know... my last post was uncalled for. It was stupidity on my part. I'm not usually that stupid. I didn't really send that message. I just took a pic for posterity and then hit the back button. I thought it was funny cause of the Zero Wing quote.
Whatever the case, BuyMusic.com is a blatant ripoff of iTMS, and even though I have a cheap Dell as a secondary box, I will not support them.
I think I can rest my case.
As for the no hard feelings, same to you.
--Z
...and *another* thing...
It didn't strike me the first time or three that I saw their knock-off-mercial, but then I realized:
They're all singing the same song!
How MS/PC is that?! "You can download any song you want, as long as it's 'Superfreak'."
The iTunes ad shows individuals singing their own favorite songs.
The buymusic ad shows people ... well ... conforming.
How sad.
It didn't strike me the first time or three that I saw their knock-off-mercial, but then I realized:
They're all singing the same song!
How MS/PC is that?! "You can download any song you want, as long as it's 'Superfreak'."
The iTunes ad shows individuals singing their own favorite songs.
The buymusic ad shows people ... well ... conforming.
How sad.
Not to mention when you see the iTunes commercials, some of them seem to have feeling behind them, whereas these buymusic ads seem to be half assed attempts at trying to capture the same essence.
I agree -- and I think that this stems directly from the difference in the casting calls.
The Apple casting call (which was reported here -- kudos, macrumors) said that people should show up who are willing to sing their own favorite song.
I'm confident that the buymusic casting call had nothing to do with real people or their favorite songs. "Bring your head shot and be ready to sing 'Superfreak' like (a) a schoolgirl, (b) an old man, (c) an african-american woman, or (d) man-in-suit."
The difference is that, ultimately, the people in the buymusic ad were actors, acting like they cared about singing Superfreak when they don't.
There are so many ways that this is, in a nutshell, typical of gulf between Mac and PC. I suppose that in the end people get what they deserve.
The Apple casting call (which was reported here -- kudos, macrumors) said that people should show up who are willing to sing their own favorite song.
I'm confident that the buymusic casting call had nothing to do with real people or their favorite songs. "Bring your head shot and be ready to sing 'Superfreak' like (a) a schoolgirl, (b) an old man, (c) an african-american woman, or (d) man-in-suit."
The difference is that, ultimately, the people in the buymusic ad were actors, acting like they cared about singing Superfreak when they don't.
There are so many ways that this is, in a nutshell, typical of gulf between Mac and PC. I suppose that in the end people get what they deserve.
i'd be willing to bet my new eMachine PC and one of my arms that buymusic.com won't survive. Windows users such as myself are simply better off waiting for iTunes to come to Windows. and when it does, the iTunes store will kill the competition.
Appreciations for the various replies to either of my questions.
As for the debug hack for Safari, it did not work for me.
Just read the hate mail attachment higher up in this thread. BAD IDEA.
Z-man, don't be surprised if you receive equally destructive hate mail in your mailbox. Or pehaps have your IP banned. Then again, having your IP banned from BuyMusic may be beneficial for your health.
BTW: I'm calling you Z-man from now on because your style of attitude and personality reminds me of a brilliant, yet comically bullying, student in my Calculus class. He had a light side and a dark side...my math teacher had the student for two years straight. He called the student Z-man from his extended last name of Zack.
As for the debug hack for Safari, it did not work for me.
Just read the hate mail attachment higher up in this thread. BAD IDEA.
Z-man, don't be surprised if you receive equally destructive hate mail in your mailbox. Or pehaps have your IP banned. Then again, having your IP banned from BuyMusic may be beneficial for your health.
BTW: I'm calling you Z-man from now on because your style of attitude and personality reminds me of a brilliant, yet comically bullying, student in my Calculus class. He had a light side and a dark side...my math teacher had the student for two years straight. He called the student Z-man from his extended last name of Zack.
I'm not going to jump on the boat and reprimand "Z-Man, for what he did. Even though it was out of line, there are lots of ways people deal with this. I'm not saying by any means it was right, but there's always room to figure out what is the right kind of reaction and what is the wrong kind.
Does Buymusic deserve an few emails like that? Maybe. Was I the one going to write it? Probably not. But I'm glad somebody left they feedback regardless of whether or not it was properly worded. There's a learning curve that takes place at MacRumors with new members. That passionate attitude will shape itself into a much more informed and eloquent expression. It did with me. God, I remember I used to post some stupid stuff during "Newbie" status just so I could hear everybody yell.
As for the commercials, I again agree with Idea Hamster (great name BTW) everyone has to sing the same song. Nothing like Big Red dictating to the window users what they are required to do.
The commercials that buy music just lacked real passion. Actors can never take place of "real people. Why do you think reality tv has grotesquely grown into what it is. I dont know the real statistic, but it feels like half of the shows on are "reality-based".
Does Buymusic deserve an few emails like that? Maybe. Was I the one going to write it? Probably not. But I'm glad somebody left they feedback regardless of whether or not it was properly worded. There's a learning curve that takes place at MacRumors with new members. That passionate attitude will shape itself into a much more informed and eloquent expression. It did with me. God, I remember I used to post some stupid stuff during "Newbie" status just so I could hear everybody yell.
As for the commercials, I again agree with Idea Hamster (great name BTW) everyone has to sing the same song. Nothing like Big Red dictating to the window users what they are required to do.
The commercials that buy music just lacked real passion. Actors can never take place of "real people. Why do you think reality tv has grotesquely grown into what it is. I dont know the real statistic, but it feels like half of the shows on are "reality-based".
After setting Safari to Windows MSIE 6 in the debug menu, how can I change it back to Safari? Selecting "Automatically Chosen" from the menu just leaves Safari as MSIE 6.
Re: Buymusic.com Blocks Mac Users!
i used an anonymizer service and i was able to gainAccess to their page by blocking my browser and operating system, i can't believe they did that, they hate us, and have you seen their site buymusic.com is exactly like apple's music store, they copied everything even the tv ads. bastards.
They will never be like Apple.
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i used an anonymizer service and i was able to gainAccess to their page by blocking my browser and operating system, i can't believe they did that, they hate us, and have you seen their site buymusic.com is exactly like apple's music store, they copied everything even the tv ads. bastards.
They will never be like Apple.
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Re: Re: Buymusic.com Blocks Mac Users!
The PC world has made their name for the past 20 years trying to convince everyone that they are finally as good as Apple. They were wrong then, they're wrong now.
For a extremely detailed investigation, see http://www.macvspc.info
True -- but not just because they can't imitate Apple well enough. Rather, the difference -- and their ultimate weakness -- is that they are imitators.
The PC world has made their name for the past 20 years trying to convince everyone that they are finally as good as Apple. They were wrong then, they're wrong now.
For a extremely detailed investigation, see http://www.macvspc.info
Re: Re: Re: Buymusic.com Blocks Mac Users!
That wasn't really my point. It may be a terrible service, and Apple has nothing to worry about. but when apple entered into the license agreements with the various record companies, it had to worry about a *good* service coming along. Apple probably wanted exclusivity on the Mac platform, and the music cos. agreed to that.
I simply don't understand what incentive buymusic has to cut out mac users specifically. THey'll want as broad a market as possible. Sure, if they support macs they have to make sure the software works, as well as DRM, and maybe that's the issue--they'll only support WMP DRM system. But, again, that's coming from the music cos., who want the protection. I just don't see why there would be any spite from the co. To me, it's almost certainly based on some sort of licensing concern from the music cos.
That wasn't really my point. It may be a terrible service, and Apple has nothing to worry about. but when apple entered into the license agreements with the various record companies, it had to worry about a *good* service coming along. Apple probably wanted exclusivity on the Mac platform, and the music cos. agreed to that.
I simply don't understand what incentive buymusic has to cut out mac users specifically. THey'll want as broad a market as possible. Sure, if they support macs they have to make sure the software works, as well as DRM, and maybe that's the issue--they'll only support WMP DRM system. But, again, that's coming from the music cos., who want the protection. I just don't see why there would be any spite from the co. To me, it's almost certainly based on some sort of licensing concern from the music cos.
Its not that they are purposely blocking Mac users. They decided to use ActiceX to allow the downloading of music from their site, which only IE on windows supports. So even if you get past the initial block on the site, you still wouldn't be able to purchase music.
Not that anyone here would really want to, of course
Not that anyone here would really want to, of course
They may claim from 79¢, but the only (one) song I could find for that price was of course Tommy Lee. And really, Who wants to pay 79¢ for Tommy Lee anyway?
Sad, Very Sad.
HaHaHa.... (insert Mandark laugh - loop)
Sad, Very Sad.
HaHaHa.... (insert Mandark laugh - loop)