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Why TB5 hubs and docks released by various companies so far only have 2.5G ethernet the most? I want 10G.
Potentially expensive and resource intensive? Probably not worth it for the dock manufacturers since most people have only Gigabit or at most 2.5 Gbps. You can get external 10 Gbps adapters anyway.

In my case I just configured my M4 Mac mini with 10 Gbps so no need to worry about flakiness with third party adapters, but I realize this is not an option for MB Pro owners. My house is 2.5 Gbps though and my internet access is 1.9 Gbps.
 
Potentially expensive and resource intensive? Probably not worth it for the dock manufacturers since most people have only Gigabit or at most 2.5 Gbps. You can get external 10 Gbps adapters anyway.

In my base I just configured my M4 Mac mini with 10 Gbps so no need to worry about flakiness with third party adapters. My house is 2.5 Gbps though and my internet access is 1.9.
Agree with the arguments - however the sweet spot for a dock are laptops and there it would be nice to have such a dock with the 10G-Adapter integrated
 
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Agree with the arguments - however the sweet spot for a dock are laptops and there it would be nice to have such a dock with the 10G-Adapter integrated
I am excited for OWC to update the Pro Dock to 5. The current model already has 10Gbps ethernet. https://www.owc.com/solutions/thunderbolt-pro-dock

As for the Element 5, ordered. I have the 4 and it's perfect except for being limited to 60W. My 16" MacBook Pro is going to be very happy with this upgrade and I think my iPad Pro will inherit the 4.
 
I am excited for OWC to update the Pro Dock to 5. The current model already has 10Gbps ethernet. https://www.owc.com/solutions/thunderbolt-pro-dock

As for the Element 5, ordered. I have the 4 and it's perfect except for being limited to 60W. My 16" MacBook Pro is going to be very happy with this upgrade and I think my iPad Pro will inherit the 4.
this looks interesting - quite close to my needs in case they do a TB5 version.

I currently have their Tunderbolt HUB (older version not the TB5) + a sonnet 10G Ethernet adapter.
This combo works but has stability issues.
I need to power-cycle regularly otherwise I get strange network issues.
 
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Hub manufacturers advertise their number of Thunderbolt ports to include the upstream port (to the computer) which is kind of deceptive because the presence of that port doesn't increase the value of the product - it's a given. This is particularly annoying if a hub is advertised as having three TB ports, but where one of them is upstream, which basically just makes it a splitter for one of your TB ports (on of your TB ports can now support two TB devices, plus the misc other ports). But with 1 upstream and 3 downstream, this hub is a good deal - one Mac TB 5 port is expanded to three, offering two additional TB5, and support for the rest of the goodness. I've had their TS3 for years and it's still working great. This new device is a possible upgrade path, though in my situation the only real value comes when there are TB5 drives to connect to my Mac (or an external "GPU" for running LLM) and those are currently few and far between. I'm running a 40" and 30" on my Mac mini M4 Pro using TB and HDMI so adding additional displays is not a need for me.
 
this looks interesting - quite close to my needs in case they do a TB5 version.

I currently have their Tunderbolt HUB (older version not the TB5) + a sonnet 10G Ethernet adapter.
This combo works but has stability issues.
I need to power-cycle regularly otherwise I get strange network issues.
I have a StarTech 10Gbps Ethernet TB3 Adapter, and it too suffers from stability issues requiring a power-cycle. I have the current OWC Pro Dock connected to an M4 Pro Mac mini. So far about 2 full months without an issue (knocks on wood) and I've got it pretty overloaded.
 
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I have a StarTech 10Gbps Ethernet TB3 Adapter, and it too suffers from stability issues requiring a power-cycle. I have the current OWC Pro Dock connected to an M4 Pro Mac mini. So far about 2 full months without an issue (knocks on wood) and I've got it pretty overloaded.
I am now shutting down my laptop at night - switching all the equipment off.
A little less of a quick start in the morning, but fixes all stability issues.
 
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How stable is that dock’s Ethernet?
that is a good question - I actually have a similar Sonnet 10G Adapter (SFP instead of Copper) on an old Intel Mac mini and it works 24x7 without any problem. Only the one on the dock has issues - and it didn't have those when I directly connected it to my MacBook.

So I guess the issues come from the combination.
 
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I have the previous Element model and remain quite pleased with it. There are some things I prefer to hang on it and others, directly to the computer. I am very glad Caldigit started with this product (Element) as it happens to be a great fit for me as I will be acquiring it this year along with the next Studio Max.

As for USB A vs C. I really don't care as there are decent A to C and C to A adapters out there.

Given past experiences with Apple, I hope waking up from sleep mode doesn't create challenges for some devices attached.
 
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I'll also second CalDigit. Every other hub I've owned has died in a year. Theirs is still going after 3 years. I'll get this one.
Yup. I got the TB 4 version four years ago and it's still going strong. For my usage I don't need TB5 anytime soon so this one should last me many years more. It's great.
 
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And why USB-A ports when all the shiny things now are made with USB-C.
Totally agree I rather have dose in usbc don’t care if they are slow. There is so many usb A hub why not make a usb c only hub most Mac users has changed to use c and if you have some old item you can alsways use a adapter or use any of the 100 other hubs.
 
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Yes totally agree I don’t know why everyone make the same hubs do they use the same referens design from china. If some make this hub and it’s good quality I would buy it instantly
 
And why USB-A ports when all the shiny things now are made with USB-C.
With Apple having removed USB-A from everything but the Studio and the Pro (I'd be unsurprised if they disappear from whatever replaces the M2 Studio - and the current one only has rear-facing type A ports) many people will appreciate these - and few people will be inconvenienced.

Feel free to use cheap USB-A to C adapters to plug your shiny USB-C things into the USB-A ports (most non-Apple-specific peripherals come with an adapter or alternative cable anyhow) - which, according to the press release, support the same 10Gbps data and 7.5W power as the 2 "extra" USB-C ports.

All these hubs support a maximum of 3 downstream TB/USB4 ports - so the additional ports were never going to support displays or 20 Gbps data, even if they had been USB-C.

Which Logitech mouse and keyboard I have the Mx keys and Mx master mouse and they are compatible with both the dongle and Bluetooth.
Sometimes, those wireless dongles offer better latency, fewer interference problems and "instant connect on power-up" than bluetooth... and since most of the electronics fits in the shaft of teh USB-A plug they can be very low profile. Where USB-C dongles do exist they tend to stick out almost as far as a USB-A dongle in an adapter.

Why TB5 hubs and docks released by various companies so far only have 2.5G ethernet the most? I want 10G.
AFAIK it could be because a 10G ethernet controller needs more than one PCIe lane - the chipset in newer "TB4" hubs only provides one (that's the cost of adding support for multiple downstream TB ports). Older "TB3" docks had more internal PCIe lane - but then they used a bunch of PCIe-to-whatever controllers to provide the other downstream ports so there would be contention.

Not saying it wouldn't be nice for some, but they're fairly niche and relatively expensive - and if I was that concerned about ethernet bandwidth and latency I'd probably want it to have its own top-level TB host port & controller on the Mac rather than have it contending with displays and other devices.

Anyway - this particular style of hub is intended more as the replacement for an old-school USB hub and the emphasis is on providing as many downstream USB & Thunderbolt connections as possible, rather than having functions like Ethernet and audio built in.

There's a video from Sonnet that explains TB3 vs. TB4 and PCIe lanes. I guess TB5-to-4xPCIe chips are in the pipeline, since it supports faster data rates and PCIe4, but they'd have been mostly pointless with TB4 which only offered teh same data rates as TB3.

 
I have their TB4 dock that looks similar - bought it when it first came out.

Overall the performance is great, very happy with it. It does get pretty hot, and I wish the power supply input was on the USB A side (for my uses, since I'm using 2 ext TB drives) or on the side with the TB computer connection, but it's not a deal breaker.

Keep in mind, IMHO, these are best for people needing to use multiple TB drives - those needing the bandwidth is where these excel.
 
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Hey, I'm the CalDigit Community Manager.
The macOS limitations (I assume in regards to the lack of triple monitor support), is a hardware limitation of current M4 computers to my understanding.
No Thunderbolt 5 dock will be able to drive triple monitors on macOS until there's an update to allow it.
Maximum respect for even coming on here to address questions.
 
And why USB-A ports when all the shiny things now are made with USB-C.
Hold on. Let me think about this..... Oh yay, I have multiple USB A devices. If you want to send me about $400, I can replace them with newer shinny things that have USB C. Oh wait, some of them don't have new versions with USB C. Oh yay, I could put a USB A to USB C adapters on them. Oh wait, there aren't enough USB C ports. So I still need my USB A 7 port hub. But thanks for trying.
 
Why can't someone just make a simple more affordable 4 port thunderbolt hub? Ever since usb-c these hubs vanished.
 
Why can't someone just make a simple more affordable 4 port thunderbolt hub? Ever since usb-c these hubs vanished.
Amazon Basics Thunderbolt 4 / USB 4 hub is US$99 on Amazon.com.

3 USB-C Thunderbolt 4 / USB 4 downstream ports
1 USB-A USB 3 downstream port
 
Why no Ethernet port? No eSATA or HDMI? Not very useful as a dock as it’s just a TB5 hub with some legacy USB ports.
 
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