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impact maybe, HUGE impact i think not

just because they are using statistics does not automatically mean they are correct either - but statistically most statistics are incorrect - and law enforcement is known to manipulate statistics for their own goals.

there is reason to believe both sides of the argument - the point i am arguing is there is no definitive data. And you are living in some fantasy world outside of reality if you think there is 0 reason to believe anything... anythign is possible, and in fact what i am saying has happened in the past - if people think that reporting a crime puts them in danger or does not help them - they dont report it. In fact most witnesses to crimes never come forward - this is a big reason why so many criminals get off the hook.

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never said it was a failure or useless... just not the end all to the crime problem that law enforcement is claiming it is...

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exactly... probably the real reason that law enforcement supports this - it also explains why the statistics are probably fabricated....
I don't think they are claiming that, are they?
 
impact maybe, HUGE impact i think not

just because they are using statistics does not automatically mean they are correct either - but statistically most statistics are incorrect - and law enforcement is known to manipulate statistics for their own goals.

there is reason to believe both sides of the argument - the point i am arguing is there is no definitive data. And you are living in some fantasy world outside of reality if you think there is 0 reason to believe anything... anythign is possible, and in fact what i am saying has happened in the past - if people think that reporting a crime puts them in danger or does not help them - they dont report it. In fact most witnesses to crimes never come forward - this is a big reason why so many criminals get off the hook.

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never said it was a failure or useless... just not the end all to the crime problem that law enforcement is claiming it is...

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exactly... probably the real reason that law enforcement supports this - it also explains why the statistics are probably fabricated....

There is literally NO evidence you've given to support this idea of yours that the statistics are incorrect. I work for a carrier and I have personally seen a dramatic decrease in theft reports after iOS 7 and activation lock came out. The law enforcement and carrier statistics back this up.

Seriously...if you think the fact that activation lock turns smartphones in to bricks has had no deterrence on theft, you've got issues.
 
There is literally NO evidence you've given to support this idea of yours that the statistics are incorrect. I work for a carrier and I have personally seen a dramatic decrease in theft reports after iOS 7 and activation lock came out. The law enforcement and carrier statistics back this up.

Seriously...if you think the fact that activation lock turns smartphones in to bricks has had no deterrence on theft, you've got issues.

well statistically speaking, most statistics are made up, and if statistics are evidence for your argument, then they are evidence for my argument as well. and if you really need me to, i can make up some statistics real quick.

and again, a decrease in theft reports does not mean less theft.

and the point you are missing is this is no place for a law to be created, whatever happened to freedom of choice? If I want to make and sell a device that is more prone to theft and less likely customers will want to buy it, that is (supposed to be) my freedom to do so, if I want to buy a device that is less secure and more prone to theft, that is also (supposed to be) my choice. This is not a place for the government to step in, when there are things they should be improving first - like change the corrupt law enforcement and legal system.

and Where is the similar activation lock law for handguns? every handgun should call 911 automatically when fired and send fingerprints of the person firing it and gps to the location - even if you are using it in defense, medical attention is still needed at the scene.

seriously there are better laws to be written that might actually accomplish something rather than just changes a thieves target. ok so iphone theft is down, but now what other theft is up?
 
I don't think they are claiming that, are they?

i dont know why else this would be so important to make into a law...

why else does our freedom of innovation and choice have to be taken away by a law?

seriously, people are always complaining about losing freedoms, and talking about privacy concerns and being against big brother and monitoring, but then something like this that accomplishes next to nothing and violates our freedom in an unnecessary way is all hunky dory?

I would rather there be cameras on every street corner actually deterring criminals and catching them as soon as they commit a crime.. its not like anything you do in public is private anyways, so why is everyone against this?

oh but activation lock will temporarily stop theft... until the next thing comes out that people want to steal... (the smart watch comes to mind - google glass maybe?) ... its also just a matter of time until someone figures out how to bypass these kill switches... there is no hardware or software to date that has not been hacked eventually...
 
i dont know why else this would be so important to make into a law...

why else does our freedom of innovation and choice have to be taken away by a law?

seriously, people are always complaining about losing freedoms, and talking about privacy concerns and being against big brother and monitoring, but then something like this that accomplishes next to nothing and violates our freedom in an unnecessary way is all hunky dory?

I would rather there be cameras on every street corner actually deterring criminals and catching them as soon as they commit a crime.. its not like anything you do in public is private anyways, so why is everyone against this?

oh but activation lock will temporarily stop theft... until the next thing comes out that people want to steal... (the smart watch comes to mind - google glass maybe?) ... its also just a matter of time until someone figures out how to bypass these kill switches... there is no hardware or software to date that has not been hacked eventually...
What's being taken away by what again? Yeah...and there you go.
 
What's being taken away by what again? Yeah...and there you go.

learn to read

Yes, it does. That's exactly what it means. It's not as if the same amount of phones are being stolen and people just randomly decided "hey, I'm not gonna report this." :rolleyes:

both of you can just keep living in your fantasy world where this law makes the world a safer place. And you'll just complain when other freedoms you actually care about are taken away.

If you think about it, the real reason the government wants this law passed federally is because it gives them a potential backdoor to your phone they can exploit. I am sure the government is pissed at Apple essentially giving them the middle finger by announcing Apple can no longer access your phone even if given a warrant...

next up a law requiring a government backdoor to all phones...
 
learn to read



both of you can just keep living in your fantasy world where this law makes the world a safer place. And you'll just complain when other freedoms you actually care about are taken away.

If you think about it, the real reason the government wants this law passed federally is because it gives them a potential backdoor to your phone they can exploit. I am sure the government is pissed at Apple essentially giving them the middle finger by announcing Apple can no longer access your phone even if given a warrant...

next up a law requiring a government backdoor to all phones...
Ah, reading into imaginary things that aren't actually there. Got it.
 
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The recent events in Hong Kong are an example of why you don't want a kill switch built into your phone.

Protesters there are concerned that cell towers might be shut down, so they are using FireChat to keep their comms functioning.

I think the government realizes that apps like this could be used to circumvent attempts to control information.

Now if they have kill switches on the phones themselves, required by law for your own safety of course, they wouldn't have to worry about kids and their meddling apps . . .
 
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The recent events in Hong Kong are an example of why you don't want a kill switch built into your phone.

Protesters there are concerned that cell towers might be shut down, so they are using FireChat to keep their comms functioning.

I think the government realizes that apps like this could be used to circumvent attempts to control information.

Now if they have kill switches on the phones themselves, required by law for your own safety of course, they wouldn't have to worry about kids and their meddling apps . . .
How would any of that relate to having something like Activation Lock that Apple has added to iOS over a year ago (which is essentially what this is basically about)?
 
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