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Pretty simple.. If someone that is not Apple Certified and using non Apple Parts replaced anything on your phone it breaks your warranty and Apple will no longer service it. So sure.. get it fixed by self or a repair shop. You no longer have a warranty.
This has nothing to do with products that are still under warranty. The reason you wouldn't do a third-party repair on something still under warranty is that the cost to you of that repair by the manufacturer would be lower or nothing at all because that's what warranties are for.
 
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So you've swapped out the screen, fine. But where do we draw the line? What if you swap out the OS? Switching out parts may have unintended consequences. I fully support repairability, and have done some battery changes on iPhones myself. But I'm not going to hold Apple responsible if something goes south after I've replaced one of their parts.

There is no line. If I go back to Apple and the issue I expect them to fix is defective because of a 3rd party part, then they’re not responsible. Again, no different then a car.
 
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No, this is horrible news for everyone. Companies should have the right to decide how their products are repaired. If they do a poor job, or do it in a way that doesn’t satisfy the market, they go out of business. Very simple. Let the market decide, not some govt official trying to look good for re-election while accomplishing nothing. In the long run this will only increase costs to businesses which will get passed down to consumers.


Wow. What a ridiculous comment. Do you take your car to the dealer for everything? Do you have home repairs done by the builder?

Accomplishing nothing? This is great news for everyone but the most hard core brainwashed.

Do people seriously not understand that this affects phones AFTER warranty? Who would pay someone else to fix something under warranty? You could order genuine parts after warranty.

Do people seriously not get that?
 
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Its more of a property issue in my mind. If I designed a complex circuit or had people working for me who designed it for me, it's my property, and I'm selling you the finished product, NOT the design. You can try and reverse engineer it and do what you want, but Apple paid their engineers to create the schematic, figure out what value components are needed, design the board layout, figure out how and where to place the small SMD components. If you want to try and figure it out yourself, go ahead, but I wouldn't want to release the schematics or blueprints to the public.

I agree with you with the property rights. I just think that, if Apple shares schematics with their official AASPs, that shouldn't be a problem sharing them with third party repair shops. That is, if they wanted to keep their schematics safe, they shouldn't share them with employees far away from the core design staff.
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I don't see this as a good thing for the consumer or Apple. It will hamstring Apple, and ultimately cause prices to go up.

Sometimes profits just drop. Law interferes with the market and vice-versa.
 
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I agree with you with the property rights. I just think that, if Apple shares schematics with their official AASPs, that shouldn't be a problem sharing them with third party repair shops. That is, if they wanted to keep their schematics safe, they shouldn't share them with employees far away from the core design staff.
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Sometimes profits just drop. Law interferes with the market and vice-versa.
Others will disagree but, I see this as nanny-state government in action.

Be careful what you (generally speaking) wish for, especially when it comes to government. Government is a necessary evil not the remedy thereto.
 
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I agree with you with the property rights. I just think that, if Apple shares schematics with their official AASPs, that shouldn't be a problem sharing them with third party repair shops. That is, if they wanted to keep their schematics safe, they shouldn't share them with employees far away from the core design staff.
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As far as I know, AASP have access to service manuals and other information such as troubleshooting flowcharts, function block charts, advanced troubleshooting information, and diagnostic tools, but NOT schematics or anything proprietary
 
Everyone should listen to episode #18 of Welcome to Macintosh which really nails this point home. This is a huge deal and Apple, as a very consumer centric company or at least they used to be, should allow this for the sole purpose of less waste. Episode link below.

https://www.macintosh.fm/episodes/18
 
Okay so I have the right to repair. I try to repair and damage the device further without knowing. What then? Crazy slippery slope.

If you attempt a repair and damage it, then that's all on you.

The point is to give consumers a choice. You can either attempt to repair it yourself using the provide repair information, replacement parts, and diagnostic tools; have an independent repair shop do the repairs; or pay Apple to perform the repairs.

Is having that extra choice a bad thing?
 
If you attempt a repair and damage it, then that's all on you.

The point is to give consumers a choice. You can either attempt to repair it yourself using the provide repair information, replacement parts, and diagnostic tools; have an independent repair shop do the repairs; or pay Apple to perform the repairs.

Is having that extra choice a bad thing?
I’m sure it’s best for Apple to just do it.
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Do you mean a slippery slope to the way everything else works? Don't attempt to repair something if you don't know what you're doing and you can't accept the risk, whether it's your phone, your car, or your house. I can do plumbing repairs, but if I damage something that I can't fix, I pay someone who can. Why should your phone be any different? "Right to repair" gives you new choices, it doesn't mean you have to do it yourself.
I’m sure it’s just best from a macro perspective for Apple to just do it. Could clog up the service channel with a bunch of do it yourself fixes that went wrong.
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Absolutely right. It's so much better to limit potential repair services to a single entity striving to be the world's first trillion dollar company making decision after decision that seems to grow profitability even at consumer expense/disadvantage/hassle. No slippery slope there.

Consumers would have a choice and choices are good. The problem you worry about could be addressed by one of those choices- pay up for Apple to fix something or risk further damage by using someone else offering much lower pricing. Choice is good for consumers. No choices are generally only good for corporations.
Great! And fill the support channel with a bunch of do it yourself damaged repairs.

If you don’t agree with Apple doing it, you’re kinda in the wrong ecosystem.
 
Pretty simple.. If someone that is not Apple Certified and using non Apple Parts replaced anything on your phone it breaks your warranty and Apple will no longer service it. So sure.. get it fixed by self or a repair shop. You no longer have a warranty.
This is just dumb, but that it's coming out of California, it's not surprising.

Repair at your own risk or get some backyard kid to do so, you won't get any sympathy from me. And as soon as you break that seal mate, then Apple rightly have no more do with your device/hardware and there is no longer any claim to a warranty.

Why would anyone pay a non Apple certified repair shop to repair a device with non Apple parts if the device is still under warranty? o_O

Looks like some people didn't think things through.
 
Why would anyone pay a non Apple certified repair shop to repair a device with non Apple parts if the device is still under warranty? o_O

The standard warranty is 1 year. If you don't buy AppleCare you don't get damage repair coverage. So, in that 1 year, the item is under warranty but it's unlikely Apple will cover the cost of a damaged screen from you dropping the iPhone (or, whatever). It may be cheaper for someone else to do the repair.

I wouldn't take my Apple product to ANY 3rd party repair center, period. But not everyone feels that way. I support what California is trying to do.

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Choice is good, but shoddy repair shops could do damage to consumers and Apple.

Then you go on The People's Court. Small claims court has been a staple of American liberties for decades.

If you can go on Judge Judy to sue a parent because their child was being cared by them & their own child broke your child's iPhone, you can sue Handy Manny's Fix-It Shop for any negligence they MAY have. ;) Keep in mind the plantiff has the burden of proof.
 
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The standard warranty is 1 year. If you don't buy AppleCare you don't get damage repair coverage. So, in that 1 year, the item is under warranty but it's unlikely Apple will cover the cost of a damaged screen from you dropping the iPhone (or, whatever). It may be cheaper for someone else to do the repair.

No problem there. I pay for my devices using a credit card that offers damage protection. If the screen gets damaged, credit card pays for an Apple repair.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnny...t-cards-that-cover-cell-phone-damage-or-loss/
 
Great! And fill the support channel with a bunch of do it yourself damaged repairs.

If you don’t agree with Apple doing it, you’re kinda in the wrong ecosystem.

I didn’t say that at all. I basically said consumer choice is good. Someone like say you who believes only Apple should handle their repairs regardless of what Apple chooses to charge, could hire Apple to do their repairs... and pay Apple’s price.

Others such as say me who doesn’t necessarily believe that only Apple should do repairs could opt to hire others and pay substantially less. You get what you want. I get what I want. Choice is good.

Your way presses all of us to only use Apple repair services and pay whatever Apple might opt to charge. My way allows you to believe that just as fully and act on exactly thatfor your own repairs, whilie allowing others to decide for themselves too.

Consider this: this is not a State of California vs. Apple law. Do you carry the very same passion about Samsung repairs? Microsoft? Google? Amazon? Etc. Only get your Samsung repair by Samsung and pay whatever Samsung wants? Same for Microsoft? Etc?
 
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If you don’t agree with Apple doing it, you’re kinda in the wrong ecosystem.

The problem is not Apple's ecosystem, but the ecosystems themselves. I have a Lumia 930, a 2014 phone with decent specs even for today standard (quad-core, 2GB of RAM, 20MP high-sensor camera, 4K recording and so on). However, I can't install Android (or any other OS because its protected bootloader) on it and Microsoft doesn't support it anymore in terms of hardware and software. Should I just drop the phone in the trash can even if it's perfectly functioning? If that is the case, when we buy a phone we are just buying a usage license which expire when the manufacture wants to.

The same applies to hardware. Sometimes you have a broken power switch which makes the entire phone unusable. If that is easily replaceable by a $10 part, why should you throw away your 99.9% working phone?
 
While it may affect Apple, in Nebraska the law is aimed at farm machinery that has become complex. Now farmers have to have an authorized technician come and do the repair. But there are not enough technicians to go around and machinery often sits around during critical planting/harvesting times. The law is intended to open up repairs to third parties so machinery is repaired in a timely fashion.
 
The average Apple product user has zero idea how to repair their device(s). Making them easier to open for do-it-yourself wizards makes very little sense. Repairing electronics, with their small and delicate parts, is hardly like fixing a toilet.
 
This is just dumb, but that it's coming out of California, it's not surprising.

Repair at your own risk or get some backyard kid to do so, you won't get any sympathy from me. And as soon as you break that seal mate, then Apple rightly have no more do with your device/hardware and there is no longer any claim to a warranty.

So, your lawn mower snaps off a partial end of a rotating blade & you're cool with buying a whole new mower? Have fun.

If you crack the screen on a $3000 MacBook Pro, then you choose a perfectly good $100 non-Apple Certified screen over sending it to Apple & having them replace it for $165, that's the risk you are or aren't willing to save. If an Apple-Certified shop/part does it for $125, great!

No. This is about Apple shrinking the scope of availability of Apple-Certified shops/parts in an effort to earn more money from Apple Care, or better-- having them buy a whole new device.

Supermarket store brand merchandise is sometimes just as good as the name brand. Sometimes it's made by the same manufacture facility.
 
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The problem is not Apple's ecosystem, but the ecosystems themselves. I have a Lumia 930, a 2014 phone with decent specs even for today standard (quad-core, 2GB of RAM, 20MP high-sensor camera, 4K recording and so on). However, I can't install Android (or any other OS because its protected bootloader) on it and Microsoft doesn't support it anymore in terms of hardware and software. Should I just drop the phone in the trash can even if it's perfectly functioning? If that is the case, when we buy a phone we are just buying a usage license which expire when the manufacture wants to.

The same applies to hardware. Sometimes you have a broken power switch which makes the entire phone unusable. If that is easily replaceable by a $10 part, why should you throw away your 99.9% working phone?
No. You pay Apple to fix it.
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I didn’t say that at all. I basically said consumer choice is good. Someone like say you who believes only Apple should handle their repairs regardless of what Apple chooses to charge, could hire Apple to do their repairs... and pay Apple’s price.

Others such as say me who doesn’t necessarily believe that only Apple should do repairs could opt to hire others and pay substantially less. You get what you want. I get what I want. Choice is good.

Your way presses all of us to only use Apple repair services and pay whatever Apple might opt to charge. My way allows you to believe that just as fully and act on exactly thatfor your own repairs, whilie allowing others to decide for themselves too.

Consider this: this is not a State of California vs. Apple law. Do you carry the very same passion about Samsung repairs? Microsoft? Google? Amazon? Etc. Only get your Samsung repair by Samsung and pay whatever Samsung wants? Same for Microsoft? Etc?
First of all, something like 40% of iPhones are purchased through Apple itself. There are many 3rd party repair centers. I’m talking about the people that look at ifixit and try to repair the wireless charging and end of damaging more. Just too much. Then they’ll ask for a law to make everything user repairable. Which then would make the product thicker. Just a slippery slope
 
If you don’t agree with Apple doing it, you’re kinda in the wrong ecosystem.
That attitude was laudable when Apple was the new kid on the smartphone block.

Things have moved on. Obviously. Larger concerns are now in play.

Do you want a truly competitive marketplace? Or monopolistic players?

What’ll work best for you right now?
 
The average Apple product user has zero idea how to repair their device(s). Making them easier to open for do-it-yourself wizards makes very little sense. Repairing electronics, with their small and delicate parts, is hardly like fixing a toilet.

Why do you hate choice?

And it's not just about providing the end user the ability to perform repairs themselves. It's also about providing "repair information, replacement parts, and diagnostic tools" to independent repair shops so consumers have another choice to where they can have repairs done.

Here's a novel idea for those end users who have zero idea how to repair a device. Don't do it. Have someone else do it for you.

If you do have the knowledge or skills to perform the repair, then go for it. It's no different than how I perform repairs on my car. If the repair is beyond my abilities, I have an independent shop perform the repairs for me vs getting ripped off at the stealership.


Did you really just join to make that nonsensical post? SMH
 



California is preparing to join several other states with a new Right to Repair bill, which will require smartphone manufacturers to provide repair information, replacement parts, and diagnostic tools to product owners and independent repair shops.

California Assemblymember Susan Talamantes Eggman this afternoon announced plans to introduce the new California Right to Repair Act. Eggman says the bill will provide consumers with the freedom to choose a repair shop of their choice.

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iPhone X image via iFixit
Mark Murray, Executive Director of Californians Against Waste said smartphone manufacturers and home appliance makers are "profiting at the expense of our environment and our pocketbooks" while Kit Walsh, Senior Staff Attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said the new bill is "critical to protect independent repair shops and a competitive market for repair," which will lead to "better service and lower prices."

In addition to California, 17 other states have already introduced similar Right to Repair legislation, including Washington, Massachusetts, Vermont, New York, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, North Carolina, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Virginia.

Several states began introducing Right to Repair legislation early last year, and the Right to Repair movement has continued on since then, spurred by Apple's iPhone throttling controversy.

Since last year, Apple has been lobbying against Right to Repair bills in various states, as have several other technology companies. In Nebraska, for example, Apple said approving Right to Repair would turn the state into a "mecca for bad actors" making it "easy for hackers to relocate to Nebraska." Other arguments from tech companies and appliance manufacturers have suggested Right to Repair bills would compromise device security and safety.

Right to Repair bills are heavily endorsed by repair outlets like iFixit, independent repair shops, and consumer advocacy groups like the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

In California specifically, the Right to Repair bill is particularly interesting because as Motherboard points out, there are strong repairability laws already in place. California Civil Code Section 1793.03 states that companies must offer parts for repair for at least seven years after a product is released, which is why on Apple's vintage and obsolete products list, it lists California as the sole state where consumers can continue to get repairs on vintage products.

Apple currently requires customers who have Apple products in need of repair to visit an Apple retail store, mail a product to an Apple repair facility, or visit an Apple Authorized Service Provider to receive support for their devices. Repairs from third-party repair shops that are not Apple Authorized Service Providers can void a device's warranty.

Apple's current flagship iPhone, the iPhone X, earned a repairability score of 6 from repair site iFixit. Repairs on the device require a special Apple-specific screw driver, delicate cables are often in the way and are difficult to replace, and Apple's waterproofing makes repairs complicated. Other Apple products, like MacBooks, have much lower repairability scores.

Article Link: California to Introduce 'Right to Repair' Bill Requiring Smartphone Manufacturers to Offer Repair Info and Parts


YES!!!! STOP THE GREED!!!!
 
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Will this law apply to the imminently ubiquitous self-driving motor vehicles? I can't wait!
 
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