I'm fairly sure my iPhone is less damaging to the environment compared to another phone of its caliber.
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no, do you think you come up with a more retarded comment? The iPhone is not any dirtier than their other products. Gore has pushed for more environmentally friendly products, but it is not his final call. He is just one of the boardmen, not the CEO.
Haha so true. They would be more credible if they attacked ALL computer makers ad much as they attack Apple
OMG, a sane vioce in this madness, finally.
Seriously, it is a good thing that there is someone out there challenging companies to make their products more friendly to the environment. They are NOT targeting apple, it's just this is the study you are hearing about, because you are probably like me, and keep an eye out for apple-related news and....ummmm.... YOU ARE ON AN APPLE NEWS WEBSITE... duh!
Yes, on the surface this seems like a somewhat unimportant study, and you can bitch and moan about greenpeace being extremists, but i personally would love apple (and other companies) to strive to create products that do as little as possilbe to contribute to our climate crisis.
And seeing as most of the consumers on this board don't seem to be interested in that notion, it is up to organisations like greenpeace to do the work on behalf of those of us who do care.
The reality is that in our lifetimes, only products that can be produced sustainably will survive, and the processes to do that cannot be created overnight. Therefore, we need to encourage companies to slowly and steadly 'push the bar' and continuously search for clever ways to make more with less.
Sustainability is everyone's business.
Ummmm, they do. Get your facts straight.
And in regards to the tree huggers comment you are responding to, am i to believe you dont give a S*** about having a planet to live on in 50 years?
Good luck with that.
Care to cite some sources on that claim?
This thread is an example of what is the biggest problem with the stereotypical mac user. We're all afraid that somone might make fun of or point out a flaw in something apple does. You don't have to explode over it. It makes sense for Greenpeace to target a large company like Apple like a few people have said, since products like the ipod make the news frequently.
Techcrunch points to a Youtube Video from Greenpeace which claims that Apple's iPhone has a high level of "toxic brominated compounds" and "hazardous PVCs".
In the video, Greenpeace calls for Apple to produce a more environmentally friendly iPhone. An online document details their findings. It should be noted that the iPhone does appear to be "compliant with the requirements of the EU's Directive on use of certain hazardous substances in electronics and electrical goods" based on the chemicals tested, but the paper still lists a number of potential concerns.
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I like Greenpeace (go ahead and call me militant
) but I think they should broaden out and not just say Apple this, Apple that. Because of groups like them, Apple is becoming greener and I am really happy about that. Phasing out plastics is wonderful, and I'm not sure that Apple would have done that on their own without pressure from green organizations.Now, Greenpeace, broaden! Comparing my eMac to my Dell as I sit here... well, one has a lot more plastic than the other!
this thread, along with the Nobel Prize thread here on Macrumors has really made me second guess the entire Apple family. As stupid as it sounds, I have always thought of Apple users being a bit more intelligent than the common person. I guess I was completely wrong. Either the average person that posts on MacRumors is a retarded 14 year old republican, or Apple has gotten big enough that the elite status of its users doesn't exist anymore. I can't believe people actually complain about NGOs trying to make the products we use more healthy and have less of an environmental impact. You people seem to take it personally that they are attacking Apple. I got news for you idiots, Apple doesn't give a **** about you. They are a corporation like every other one. Unless you name is Bottom Line, you are just a method of cash flow to them. Stop defending Apple like its your damn father fighting cancer. It is a corporation. And ALL corporations should strive to be better. That is all greenpeace is asking. Once you all get your unbelievably thick skull wrapped around that, think for a second why they would target Apple. Could it be....? BECAUSE IT IS FREE PRESS? Apple is ALWAYS in the media...why the hell would they waste their efforts on any other company? By pressuring Apple and getting the message out there, they have a greater effect. And it works, you can't argue it, it's a fact. Steve Jobs "greener Apple" open letter was a DIRECT result of greenpeace.
Did you even read the article?
Greenpeace isn't anti-apple. They are anti-anything destroying the environment. This is a good thing, stop getting all up in arms, just because someone is after your beloved Apple.
A good point, badly made. I see your point, however. Everyone's getting a little whiney around here.
That's bordering on breaking the Forum Rules. Have you read them?
The thing that bothers me with these people is that they only criticize, they never offer alternatives. They don't like Bromine in the product? Come up with a solution, explain what it is, then maybe i'll take them more seriously. Anyone that naggs and whines about how things are, but has no idea how to fix them, doesn't require my attention.
Im a tree hugger, so what?
I don't think apple is doing worse than other company, but its not doing any better than others neither.
publicity? fine, as long as it can save something.
ask greenpeace to offer alternative? alternative is out there, u just need to use it.
you have to see an alternative to address the current problems? please, with that type of thinking, there was/is/will be no revolution anywhere.
I don't think apple is doing worse than other company, but its not doing any better than others neither.
publicity? fine, as long as it can save something.
ask greenpeace to offer alternative? alternative is out there, u just need to use it.
you have to see an alternative to address the current problems? please, with that type of thinking, there was/is/will be no revolution anywhere.
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/agreenerapple/
Granted, this letter was released in response to greenpeace, but it goes to show that Apple is taking steps forward. These things unfortunately do not happen overnight.
To build on an earlier comment someone else made, solutions to these problems are coming slowly and aren't necessarily being made/suggested by greenpeace. Greenpeace wants the elimination of hazardous chemicals in technology products. Great, I don't think you would find may people that would complain with that. The issue becomes how, when, and what do you replace those chemicals with.
I realize this is a bit of a stretch, but a greenpeace victory would essentially be for Apple (and other companies) to completely stop manufacturing their products. Of course, greenpeace admittedly uses apple products (and would likely need to use someone else's products if not Apples) to communicate, organize and distribute their information.
What needs to be focused on here is how much progress has been made for technology to be made "greener" in the past few year and the comittment of Apple (and other companies) to continue to get greener over the next few years. Greenpeace seems to hardly acknowledge this and keeps focusing on the negative.
But unfortunately, I guess that's the way protest works. Very rarely do you see an organized "thank you" rally outside of congress when they actually do something right.
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You can download their PDF and actually do some research on your own and read their comparisons and write ups on EVERY COMPANY. There is no educated reason to defend Apple when it comes to this issue.
My defense (not of Apple, but of every company) is that greenpeace has updated this report 5 times in the past 13 months.
In my opinion the report should have been updated once (maybe twice) during that time period. Change (especially in companies this large) does not happen overnight. In an altruistic sense one would hope that all companies would just screw the bottom line and make every change now. However, any company doing that, including our beloved Apple would see their business begin to crumble pretty quickly.
The encouraging fact is that most companies are continuing to trend upward during this time period (including apple).
Apple loses points for the iphone which is fair. However, production of the original iPhone began before Apple's public pledge to be greener, so there's no evidence that Apple isn't working to clean up the product for iPhone 2.
Greenpeace sucks. While I agree with their cause, I don't agree with the way they send out the message. They make "tree-huggers" look bad, and this is a perfect example. The good thing is nobody listens to them, the bad thing is nobody listens to anyone with a similar message because nobody listens to them.
I was quoting Greenpeace, directly.
http://www.neimagazine.com/story.asp?storyCode=2036581
However, despite such high profile campaigns according to the Philadelphia Daily News in an embarrassing slip-up by Greenpeace the lobby group recently inadvertently issued a press release containing the words: In the twenty years since the Chernobyl tragedy, the world's worst nuclear accident, there have been nearly [FILL IN ALARMIST AND ARMAGEDDONIST FACTOID HERE].
There key gripe is the bromide. OK I thought its an element why would you try to ban something that is an element. I found that it can be used to make water cleaning products. Maybe that should be there concern not electrical products that contain tiny quantities. The most this element can be considered is a fierce irritant and most likely it will never come out of the phone. It being an element and all I doubt it has any repercussions on the environment.
I cannot get on board with Greenpeace who preach idealism but use misinformation like all the other rubbish institutions that seem to govern our lives. There worse than journalists who write a small article with half facts and cause a fracas in society that dies down maybe never. I am not scared in the least about the chemicals in the iphone.
BAN CARBON, yeah thats a good idea.
I cannot get on board with Greenpeace who preach idealism but use misinformation like all the other rubbish institutions that seem to govern our lives. There worse than journalists who write a small article with half facts and cause a fracas in society that dies down maybe never. I am not scared in the least about the chemicals in the iphone.
BAN CARBON, yeah thats a good idea.
