Camera-free iPhone 4 and 4S Now Officially Available in Singapore

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Last week, we noted that several carriers in Singapore were working to offer camera-less iPhone 4S models for users whose professions prevented them from carrying camera-equipped mobile phones. With Singapore requiring all male citizens and many permanent residents to serve up to two years in the military, there is a significant market for camera-less phones in the country.


    CNET Asia now reports that Singapore carrier M1 has officially gone live with its camera-less iPhone 4 and 4S models on its website. As previously reported, the devices are standard iPhone 4 and 4S models which have seen both front and rear cameras removed by the carrier. The camera-free versions carry a S$49 premium over their standard counterparts, covering the camera removal process. The camera removal process also voids Apple's warranty on the device, and M1 is offering users the ability to purchase a separate one-year warranty through a third-party vendor.

    Article Link: Camera-free iPhone 4 and 4S Now Officially Available in Singapore
  2. justperry macrumors 604


    Aug 10, 2007
    In the core of a black hole.
    I wouldn't buy a mutilated iPhone for a premium, just use a different dumb phone for 2 years and then buy a normal iPhone

    Have to be careful not to get one of these when I buy mine in Singapore, ooch, I better go to Malaysia, they are cheaper there.
  3. macrumors 6502a

    Nov 10, 2006
    If Apple is producing these camera-free iPhones I wonder why that voids the warranty? Unless the Signapore carriers are removing the cameras themselves in which case I wonder how they are doing that. Is Apple actually allowing them to open up already built iPhones and modify components or is Apple actually allowing the carriers access to the raw iPhone factories to start an alternate production line that doesn't add the camera?
  4. justperry, Jan 20, 2012
    Last edited: Jan 20, 2012

    justperry macrumors 604


    Aug 10, 2007
    In the core of a black hole.
    There's another thread on this a few days ago, the (Sg-M1?) Provider removes the camera and therefore voids Apple's warranty.
    They open the iPhone and remove both the camera's, an easier way (In my other post) would be to use a light laser to damage the Camera sensor.
  5. baryon macrumors 68040


    Oct 3, 2009
    It's all in the article: The Singapore carrier removes the cameras, and it does void Apple's warranty, so it's not "authorized" by Apple, but it's not illegal or anything, just not official. So the carrier buys normal iPhones and removes the cameras and resells them.
  6. dakwar macrumors 6502

    Nov 2, 2010
    Dude. In the article: "As previously reported, the devices are standard iPhone 4 and 4S models which have seen both front and rear cameras removed by the carrier." ... No Apple hasn't given them access to its factories.
  7. firewood macrumors 604

    Jul 29, 2003
    Silicon Valley
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    Since there are so few non-camera cellular smartphone models currently in popular use, how are secure facilities in the rest of the world dealing with people carrying cell phones (including on call medical and emergency personal)?

    Do they take away cell phones from all the lawyers visiting/representing prisoners? Aviation contractors? Etc.
  8. Teo Morabito macrumors member

    Sep 1, 2011
    Still no news on the mic-less version of the iPhone ?
  9. fhall1 macrumors 68040


    Dec 18, 2007
    (Central) NY State of mind
    You check your cellphone at the door.
  10. Andrew*Debbie macrumors member

    Nov 6, 2010
    North Wales, United Kingdom
    I've been many places where people are asked to check their phones.


    BMW assembly plants.
    UPS. I saw a recent hire there loose his job on the spot because he was carrying a phone after being warned not to.

    Many others where I've signed non-disclosures.
  11. 8ate8 macrumors member


    Nov 9, 2010
    Central Jersey
    So you pay more for a phone that has something removed that has no factory warranty, but you have the option of paying even more to buy a third party warranty. Sign me up :rolleyes:

    Is this even legal for carriers to do? Offering a modified product for sale without an included warranty that is. I know they can legally remove the cameras.

    It's like if you bought an AMG Mercedes. You don't have a Mercedes warranty, you have an AMG warranty as Mercedes and AMG are two different companies. But pretend AMG didn't include a warranty and you had the "option" of buying one from "Joe's Discounts-R-Us Warranties". Just seems real shady.
  12. Consultant macrumors G5


    Jun 27, 2007
    In some places they take away any electronics device that could have camera.

    In other places it's on the honor system due to almost all phones have camera.
  13. pdjudd macrumors 601

    Jun 19, 2007
    Plymouth, MN

    No, people in positions where cell phone cameras are restricted either have their phones confiscated during work, have models without cameras, or the camera is physically destroyed.

    In many cases yes they do. Prisons, absolutely.
  14. macrumors 6502a

    Nov 10, 2006
    The line you're quoting doesn't actually say where it's being done. I missed the link to the previous article which was in the first paragraph rather than the second paragraph you quoted. In any case, justperry makes it very clear with his reference links that it's purely the carrier's process taking apart pre-built iPhones.
  15. rmwebs macrumors 68040

    Apr 6, 2007
    Putting 'officially' in the title makes it sound like Apple are the ones offering it, when its actually the networks modifying the phones. Might want to change the title.
  16. engg2000 macrumors regular

    Oct 25, 2009
    Comment, NO
    You obviously don't understand Singapore & their military system.
    There is a world with different rules beyond your border...I'm sure I can guess where you are from.
    You think this company is doing this because they want to lose money? Demand dictates innovation.
  17. justperry macrumors 604


    Aug 10, 2007
    In the core of a black hole.
    Exactly, although Singapore looks and feels like the "West" it is by no means the same as the west.
    For instance, it looks free but it's only since a few years that people are allowed to demonstrate and only in certain places, the judiciary system is also not really impartial.
    It's a young state and Sg accomplished a lot but they are not there yet.

  18. dereth macrumors member

    Oct 4, 2005
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    So right. Just stand in a group of 3 or even less in silent protest outside of a government office, and you'll soon be dragged away by no less than 2 dozen officers of the law soon enough.

    Anyway, Justperry, iPhone should be more expensive from Malaysia if you buy them from Maxis right? Even with a decent data+voice contract, you'll still Have to pay like.... 2000 ringgit compared to less than 500 sgd in SG with an equivalent plan.
  19. ohbrilliance macrumors 6502a


    May 15, 2007
    Melbourne, Australia
    The Public Order Act of 2009 prevents an individual from protesting:

    Like many laws, this is entirely unconstitutional, but that argument hasn't gained any sympathy in the corrupted courts.

    I stayed there for ten years, and the absurd hypocrisy of the purer-that-pure government is my biggest reason for moving away (ten years, I know...)

  20. justperry, Jan 21, 2012
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2012

    justperry macrumors 604


    Aug 10, 2007
    In the core of a black hole.
    Oh, is that so, I know that many Apple items are cheaper in Malaysia than in Sg, haven't really looked in the iPhone pricing.
    If I buy one it will be full price, I am not staying in either Sg nor Malaysia.
    HK would be the cheapest but that's too far away.

    I just checked and You are wrong, I converted both Sg $ and Myr to Euro's and I get this :
    Sg = 576 €
    Malaysia = 547 € Edit : For iPhone 4s

    I am pretty sure that almost all of Apple's stuff is cheaper in Malaysia.

    On the other hand, I have to be careful not to buy a fake one, JB is not the best place to buy, I had a friend who bought a Nokia there a few years ago(in City Square), several days later in Melaka the battery lid fell of, she went to an official Nokia store and they told her it was fake:eek:
    Sadly she couldn't go back, she had a plane to catch.
  21. Cubytus macrumors 65816

    Mar 2, 2007
    So in a way, the management tries to cover up the extremely poor handling by their employees.
  22. Kwill macrumors 68000


    Mar 10, 2003
    What will they do with all the cameras they remove? :confused:
  23. Zepaw macrumors 65816


    Apr 18, 2010
    My job doesn't allow cameras and if you were caught taking pics it would mean your job because I work with people's health insurance info. However they know everyone has a camera on their phone, it is 2012 for god sake. Even when I was caught checking my phone I just got a quick don't do that from my supervisor.
  24. JAT macrumors 603

    Dec 31, 2001
    Mpls, MN
    I think they should just blindfold everyone.
    Did you guess Central Jersey?
  25. BassPlayer macrumors member


    Aug 12, 2011
    West Haven, CT
    You're in Minnesota - work for United?

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