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iPod touch Camera on the Nano, but NO CAMERA on the Touch...

crackbookpro said:
well... they lost my money :(

...and when it comes to product differentiation. It is the network that is the difference. The voice/data capabilities being provided by AT&T are key...

Adding a camera w/video & a mic would spark a huge market in itself, then trickle down to more income for the app store.

The other thing is - Apple is a leader & innovator. And, if they do not adopt the iPod Touch to have a camera w/video... they will fall behind. I guarantee it.
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Must agree with you here--I was ready to go buy the Touch today..But now I'm not. I think they were going for the idea that the Nano would compete with the Flip, because it's small and thin..but c'mon, it makes perfect sense for the iPod Touch to have a camera.. At least I think it does..
 
you guys are killing me....adding a cellphone quality camera to an iPod touch is so stupid. People seriously are just trying to get their iPhone fix without buying an iPhone...if they don't add a camera, trust me, the iPod touch will still lead the touch screen media player market...because most people are smart enough to know that those cameras are mere novelty.
 
crackbookpro said:
You are totally missing it Kwats. The iPod Touch is a multimedia player, not just an MP3 player.

There are a ton of reasons why the consumer and Apple would include a camera (w/video recording and a mic)...

...I wonder what the app store would gain from a camera in a Touch. :rolleyes: I wonder if the user would upload more video to youtube. :rolleyes: I wonder if the mic could be used as a recording device. :rolleyes: I wonder how much freakin' money Apple would make off the app store if the new Touch had a camera w/video recording and a mic. :rolleyes:

I could go on & on...

Kwats...just think for once in your life! :eek:
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I've thought about all the possiblities okay I'm not an ignorant idiot like you probably think i am it's just apple can do whatever they want and if they didnt think the touch was ready people have to deal with it. We can complain all we want but it won't change anything right away. Yeah it could have been great but for all the things you just listed above except the apps. The Nano does that. I'm done arguing i appreciate your opinions but i just will never cry over spilled milk. life will go on without a camera on the touch and it will probably come in the future just enjoy the 2g/3g for now.


My last point is most of this was based of speculations and random "real" pics on the internet none of it was confirmed so really it wasn't a loss.
 
This is an interesting discussion. My theory is that Apple kept the camera off the iPod Touch to help iPod Nano sales. Apple needs to think about their entire product line, not just the Touch. The Touch has exploded over the past year, and I bet that the Nano is not doing nearly as well. Apple needed to put some things in the Nano that the Touch does not have to generate some excitement for the Nano product line.

Many of you said that Apple lost a sale to you when they left the camera off the Touch. That's true, but realize that they also gained sales to other people who don't want a Touch, but like the idea of a camera in their iPods. Again, Apple is trying to make sales off their entire line, not just the Touch.

Apple also knows that those of us complaining now about no camera will be in line with our wallets out next year when the Touch does get a camera. In the meantime, they will be happy to sell a truckload of Nanos.
 
Alfie said:
This is an interesting discussion. My theory is that Apple kept the camera off the iPod Touch to help iPod Nano sales. Apple needs to think about their entire product line, not just the Touch. The Touch has exploded over the past year, and I bet that the Nano is not doing nearly as well. Apple needed to put some things in the Nano that the Touch does not have to generate some excitement for the Nano product line.

Many of you said that Apple lost a sale to you when they left the camera off the Touch. That's true, but realize that they also gained sales to other people who don't want a Touch, but like the idea of a camera in their iPods. Again, Apple is trying to make sales off their entire line, not just the Touch.

Apple also knows that those of us complaining now about no camera will be in line with our wallets out next year when the Touch does get a camera. In the meantime, they will be happy to sell a truckload of Nanos.
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There's no feasible way Apple would want people to spend LESS money on a cheaper project. If Apple could get every potential iPod Nano customer to buy an iPod Touch, it would do so, and make a ton more money off it. Why? Because generally, the higher cost of the product, the higher profit margin made.
 
Beric said:
If Apple could get every potential iPod Nano customer to buy an iPod Touch, it would do so...
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....But they can't. Not every consumer is in the market for a Touch. So, they are trying to make the Nano line improved enough to make potential Nano buyers sitting on the sidelines jump in and buy a Nano.

The Touch sales will still be there because of the things that make the Touch unique....App Store, Wi-Fi. Then, when the Touch sales get a little slower next year, BOOM.....here comes the camera and off we go again.... :)
 
If you don't see a reason to not have a camera, do you see a just as strong reason to have the camera?

Also, how many times do you use your phone's camera every day?

Would you rather have more capacity or a camera?
 
The only reason I would have even considered a new Touch would have been if it had a pretty decent camera and gps in it. I don't understand why Apple put places in their Iphoto, without offering a way to utilize it. I mean without spending the coin on a Iphone or a high dollar gps camera that is.
 
SnowLeopard2008 said:
If you don't see a reason to not have a camera, do you see a just as strong reason to have the camera?

Also, how many times do you use your phone's camera every day?

Would you rather have more capacity or a camera?
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Camera. Definitely.

My cell phone is Net10. It is all I can afford. I pay $15 a month for minutes I don't use. My phone is the HIGH END MODEL that Net10 sells. A Motorola something something slider with a 1.3MP camera and MP3/AAC playback. No video. And no games unless you count the horrible Java crap they preloaded on it. No App Store either.

Some of us can't afford $80 a month for cell plans we don't need. If I could buy ala carte, where stuff was dolled out in slices for reasonable prices where I could get a lot of data, and a small amount of texting and minutes maybe. But you can't. They don't even allow the prepaid plans on the iPhone. AT&T wants you to pay more than you'll use because that's how they make money.

I want an iPod touch that has a camera that does video and photos so I don't have to use my cell phone. Why? Because my cell phone is specifically designed to NOT WORK with Macs. USB, Bluetooth, it includes both, but does not even announce its presense when connected to a Mac. I have to take the MicroSD card out, put it in its adapter, place that in my Garmin, plug my Garmin into my MacBook, browse the disk to find the photos and manually drag them to my desktop to get to them, then eject the disk, take the card out of the adapter and place it back in the phone. That's not intuition. That's something you should never have to do as an end user. Ever. If I had known about this little feature, I would have stuck with the phone I had.

I want a touch with all the stuff my phone doesn't do, or doesn't do well, because I don't want to carry around a half a dozen devices. I have a Kodak Z700. It is huge. I don't want to carry that around to take simple snapshots of silly crap I see throughout the day. A touch would be perfect for that. It also takes video, but do I want to carry that huge thing just for video? No.

The less devices I have to carry, the better. Since I can't afford to waste my money on an iPhone cell plan, a touch in conjunction with my $15/mo phone is my only option to get as much goodness of an iPhone as I can get.

I need a touch because I need a PDA like device. I want the WiFi for when I can use it. I want to be able to take notes, all that stuff. I'd much rather have a phone in my touch for the simplicity of being able to sync the photos and videos I take to my computer with one step. Instead of the half a dozen I have to put up with as it is.

My sisters have iPhone's. They also have three jobs to pay for their iPhone's.
 
ipod touch camera

when i saw the improvemments on the nano, i thought WOW! apple has really outdone themselves. then i saw the touch and evreything turned around. this has been the worst thing apple has done. it doesnt make any sense at all!apple just lost so many sales to the Zune HD.they lost mine. i was gonna buy an ipod touch 3g, but am holding off now. it is just stupid. maybe steve is still on some aneshtesia ( bad spelling).
On the flip side, i am hoping this was because of a manufacturing problem. if apple had a camera in mind and maybe other features too for the ipod, then the camera didn't work. they wouldn't release all the other features, then add on the camera after a month or two. it would be too complicated to manufacture. i think they decided to hold off altogether, and release it in a month or two with everything. that would make sense from the manufacturing standpoint.
what i dont get is that apple had a speed bump on the 32gb and 64gb version of the ipod touch, and are ready to sell it. if they were planning the ipods with the camera, where did they get these from. they wouldn't be able to manufacture these at the last second. either they never planned a camera for it, or they manufacturing problem happened a while ago.
another thing is that they dont even call the new ipod touches the 3rd-generation, from what i have heard. maybe they are planning to release the "third-generation" later this year.
lastly, steve said "this is our holiday lineup" this indicates there wont be changes to the touch any time soon. looks like no camera for a while. Maybe WWDC will hold the new touch!
 
Its great to see the nano has a camera, but disappointing to see the touch without one.

If I already had a touch, I wouldn't be upgrading, but as I don't, I'll be buying one soon.

I just can't decide, 8gb for a cheaper price, but without the improved hardware and a very large amount of space for media, or the 32gb touch, expensive, but with lots of improvements.
 
From my nano point of view, Apple is a genius. They didn't just add a camera, FM radio, and pedometer. They added great video software for the camera, and an FM radio that does RDS and can cache radio so you can pause it. They also put in a pedometer that adds value to your nike+ use if you use your nano while exercising. They've just leapfrogged every player with an FM radio except maybe the Zune HD if you live in an area with many stations broadcasting in HD. I've got a few players that have cameras, but none will be as entertaining as what it's the Nano now.

And yes, it's a shame none of this made it into the Touch. I bought a new iPod though. It's a new gloss blue 16gb engraved nano.
 
crackbookpro said:
Apple lead everyone to believe this is the "funnest iPod ever"... Well, I beg to differ now...
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Okay I give up. what's the funnest iPod now?

Beric said:
There's no feasible way Apple would want people to spend LESS money on a cheaper project. If Apple could get every potential iPod Nano customer to buy an iPod Touch, it would do so, and make a ton more money off it. Why? Because generally, the higher cost of the product, the higher profit margin made.
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I agree with that, and add this thought.

I would assume the cost of components are low because of volume on these, but Apple is also trying to push the platform so they can make $$$ in other assets like the Music Store and App store. The App store will generate Money for Apple only by selling products only to the iPhone and ipod touch customers. The nano can only really offer continued sales to Apple through videos / music from the iTunes Music store, completely missing the potential profits form app store sales.

I would imagine that Apple could make slightly less on the sales of the iPod touch up front, expecting / hoping to gain revenue from the App store.


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This thread makes me laugh. It reminds me of when the iPod Touch was first introduced and everyone was complaining that it didn't have Mail, Maps, Weather, etc. All of these Apple apologists came out and said "Cry like a baby! The iPod is ONLY a music player and doesn't need things like Mail! In fact, I wouldn't want Mail on my iPod!"

Later on, Apple releases it.

Now people want a camera in the iPod (and for those that say it doesn't make sense to have one need to have their head examined - the amount of apps on the app store with features for camera based units are vast. There's a whole market of apps iPod Touch users are kept from because it doesn't have a camera.) and people are still saying "Cry like a baby! The iPod doesn't need a camera. It's ONLY a gaming device! In fact, I wouldn't want a camera in my iPod!"

Tell me, Apple apologists, if Apple kept with your view that the iPod Touch should have been limited to playing media - no mail, maps, App store, gaming, PDA like capability, would you still be defending it?

Now, I'm not going to start writing letters to Apple complaining about what I want. Apple is it's own company and can make it's own decisions. But I will say this: I was planning on buying an iPod Touch yesterday, but when I found out it had no camera, I didn't. Apple lost a sale.

P-Worm
 
jazytsax said:
I know everyone has seen all of the cases out there that were made for the 'Ipod touch 3G'. I though that after today's disappointment, I'd look back at those fond memories. I looked at this site:
http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/07/06/another-ipod-touch-case-with-******-in-it/

What I found strange is that it seems like both the ipod touch and the nano cases are from the same source. Why, then, are the nano cases accurate to what was released and the ipod touch cases not? This is the closest thing to convincing I could get for the idea that there was a glitch and the cameras will come.

I guess the question is, when? I've been waiting since the 1G release for a capacity large enough (aka >64GB ) . Frankly, why do I care about a camera on my ipod? I don't use my phone's much and if I can't connect to the internet all the time anyway, then there isn't much upload value. All the same, if I knew for a fact that touches w/ cases are coming out, then I would definitely wait. I feel like I'm at a casino saying I can win just one more hand...
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I'm also with the people on this site saying that there had to be some sort of last minute (by last minute, I'd say this actually happened weeks ago, because the manufacturing process still takes a good amount of time) glitch that caused the Touch to be introduced without a camera. Like it was said above, there's all these case manufacturers that were spot on with the Nano w/camera case design, but were so far off on the Touch with camera? Not to mention the video (link floating around on MR somewhere..too lazy to find it) of the Touch with camera. A video "could" be faked, but it's a lot harder to fake that than a 'shopped pic, and who would honestly take the time to fake an entire video of a Touch with a camera? Not to mention the teardown photos of the same Touch showing the internals with the camera. I think somewhere something went wrong with the camera modules, and as the release date grew closer, Apple had to say "screw it", and threw the old back on at the last minute to get a product out. I feel that they were going to use the same dimensions as the 2nd gen Touch anyway (same as they did with the iPhone 3GS and 3G), so this "last minute" change to use the old backing wasn't that difficult of a change with such little notice.

That's my $.02, anyway.

Added: Also think that maybe, once the camera problem is sorted, and based on clamoring (if the consumers are vocal enough about it), that Apple may "add" and additional product line around the first of the year to the Touch family... i.e. iPod Touch Photo? iPod Touch Video? An addition to the product line in maybe 32 and 64Gb flavors, but keep the non camera offerings as well. To cater to both markets? Since there are a lot of people that use the Touch as a PDA/in a business environment, there are lots of places and businesses that don't allow cameras on phones/PDA's. Having a camera and non-camera offering might cater to both? I'm not sure how they will spin it/market it, but I feel certain they will introduce an iPod Touch Video before next September. My bet is around the first of the year, to give it enough time for the b***hing about not including it now to die down, and because of the after Christmas money that all the teenagers have received as gifts.
 
840quadra said:
Thanks I have seen the ad.

You still have not answered my question. With the lack of the 'rumored' camera, has something taken over as the funnest ipod? Do you now see the nano as more fun?

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Some would say 'yes', and some would say 'no'... There is no clear favorite now. So, now, you could make it a debate. All n' All, it is nonsense though, I was making a joke at the time because sometimes Apple forgets their previous marketings ploys.

They clearly are going to market the Nano more than the new Touch, because of the big new feature on a Nano. If they market the Touch, and go along with last year's marketing campaign ('the funnest iPod ever') I think Apple will be second guessing themselves...as they should be right now.

Quadra, do you think Apple made a smart move for the new Touch and for the new Nano?
 
P-Worm said:
This thread makes me laugh. It reminds me of when the iPod Touch was first introduced and everyone was complaining that it didn't have Mail, Maps, Weather, etc. All of these Apple apologists came out and said "Cry like a baby! The iPod is ONLY a music player and doesn't need things like Mail! In fact, I wouldn't want Mail on my iPod!"

Later on, Apple releases it.

Now people want a camera in the iPod (and for those that say it doesn't make sense to have one need to have their head examined - the amount of apps on the app store with features for camera based units are vast. There's a whole market of apps iPod Touch users are kept from because it doesn't have a camera.) and people are still saying "Cry like a baby! The iPod doesn't need a camera. It's ONLY a gaming device! In fact, I wouldn't want a camera in my iPod!"

Tell me, Apple apologists, if Apple kept with your view that the iPod Touch should have been limited to playing media - no mail, maps, App store, gaming, PDA like capability, would you still be defending it?

Now, I'm not going to start writing letters to Apple complaining about what I want. Apple is it's own company and can make it's own decisions. But I will say this: I was planning on buying an iPod Touch yesterday, but when I found out it had no camera, I didn't. Apple lost a sale.

P-Worm
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Great post; totally agree. I was set to buy 4 x 64GB iPt's for gifts, but not anymore. Looks like our netbooks will have to continue in their role of portable net devices until someone else puts out a pocket version with the required feature set.
 
It's because of the manufacturing issues, so they're delaying it on the iPod touch.

What I wanna know is: where are my video effects on my £440.40 iPhone 3GS?
 
crackbookpro said:
Quadra, do you think Apple made a smart move for the new Touch and for the new Nano?
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Sure. I see it as a great upgrade on the nano, and a minor speed bump for the iPod Touch lineup. I think expectations for this round of updates were a little high, and artificially inflated by rumor sites (which I don't fault as I like reading them too). I would have liked to see more features in the touch lineup like most everyone.

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840quadra said:
Sure. I see it as a great upgrade on the nano, and a minor speed bump for the iPod Touch lineup. I think expectations for this round of updates were a little high, and artificially inflated by rumor sites (which I don't fault as I like reading them too). I would have liked to see more features in the touch lineup like most everyone.

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I thought you were going to enlighten me... :confused:

Your post has little substance, if any at all... :p
 
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