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Camera: people's perception
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Like a couple of us pointed out, it takes time for cameras with fancy gadgetry to start up. You're nitpicking and grasping at rare and unlikely scenarios to prove a point that many of of clearly disagree with.
I carry a Canon SD800 with me nearly everywhere I go. And I often use my iPhone's camera instead because by the time I've booted up the SD800, the moment will have gone by. The iPhone's image quality is passable for spur-of-the-moment shots. Don't kid yourself, you don't need to make a stunning portrait of something you randomly come across .
That really isn't true is it
no.But you get the gist of what I'm trying to point out.
My Nokia phone from 5 years ago has a better camera.
But you get the gist of what I'm trying to point out.
My Nokia phone from 5 years ago has a better camera.
I HIGHLY doubt that
But you get the gist of what I'm trying to point out.
My Nokia phone from 5 years ago has a better camera.
I highly doubt a first-generation cameraphone can beat a current cameraphone. You don't hear me saying my old T616 has a better camera than the iPhone's camera.
don't forget to add video record to that as well.
with just those simple upgrades, i'm sure most people would be wildly content with that as the camera phone.
Nope, you're quite right, a current generation camera phone can't beat a first-generation one since current gen phone cameras are around 8MP with a flash.
I honestly feel like the iPhone cameras were taken from a bin outside Nokia's HQ when they were cleaning out their warehouse of more than 4 year old stock. Awful, just awful.
Jokes aside, the iphone cam is just terrible. Stop making excuses for why you wouldn't want a better camera, if you had one you wouldn't complain about it and more users would be happy. Win-win!
No, then you'd have people complaining the camera is slow and clunky. A lot of Apple customers are the hardest to please and often the most unreasonable in demands (reference: price cut complaints).
just thought id add this in.
double-post and im sorry.
look at the Sony Ericsson W950i
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/overview/w950i
HANG ON! whats that...
its a multimedia phone.... plays videos.... but has no camera....
oh, cast it back into the fires of hell.
I have to agree. I think the iPhone takes decent pictures, and am quite content with 2MP. Do i wish it was more, sure, but people need to stop whining about every little thing they dont like about the iPhone. State your opinion once people, thats it.
I agree that the camera is not the best. And as many have said, it's more about the quality than the megapixels. 8MP on a cameraphone is just ridiculous, completely unnecessary...and i doubt many cameraphone optics could do that 8MP justice. Even at 2MP, you can get a 4x6 print at 300dpi...plenty for a camera phone. Flash is a good idea...what do most phones use for flash, LED? Video is a good idea. OK, anyway...
SO, the big question. People are always complaining about how "it will be thicker!". You put a flash and a higher MP camera in there, it's probably going to need to be thicker (N95 is 21mm thick vs iPhones 12mm). And because of the space it needs otherwise, probably larger in the vertical dimension as well. So you win some, you lose some.
There will never, ever be a phone for everyone until it has 5TB, 28MP 360˚camera, OC-192-speed internet in outer space, and a 3d-holographic display. But then it might not play vinyl records...and they'll be some tool complaining about it!
SO, the big question. People are always complaining about how "it will be thicker!". You put a flash and a higher MP camera in there, it's probably going to need to be thicker (N95 is 21mm thick vs iPhones 12mm). And because of the space it needs otherwise, probably larger in the vertical dimension as well. So you win some, you lose some.
There will never, ever be a phone for everyone until it has 5TB, 28MP 360˚camera, OC-192-speed internet in outer space, and a 3d-holographic display. But then it might not play vinyl records...and they'll be some tool complaining about it!
from what i've seen on photo sites, the iPhone seems to take some decent pix for what it is -- a simple 2MP cameraphone. in addition to everything else it offers the ability to grab some cool shots on the fly that i might have normally missed has got me thinking that i need to pick one up after July 11.
check out this guy's iPhone photos:
http://justwhatisee.com/
and pix from the iPhone groups on Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/search/groups/?q=iPhone
it's not the camera it's the shooter that creates a nice photo.
check out this guy's iPhone photos:
http://justwhatisee.com/
and pix from the iPhone groups on Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/search/groups/?q=iPhone
it's not the camera it's the shooter that creates a nice photo.
Could the iPhone camera use a few minor improvements? Sure.
The reality is though the purpose of a camera in a cell phone is to be able to capture those quick little moments that were unexpected. For that purpose it serves it pretty well.
If you actually have all these moments that you must catch in the highest possible resolution, context, lighting and the rest, then I think you really do need to carry around a real camera. For the rest of us who just want to be able to snap off a quick memory and don't need a photographic studio at our disposal it works fairly well.
I suspect most people don't care much more about a camera on a cell phone then the fact that they can snap a quick picture. From the perpsective the iPhone is okay. In fact it is better than okay because it is much easier to snap a quick spontaneous picture on an iPhone that most other phones. Which means the difference between getting the picture at all or having a nice pretty backdrop where the picture would have been as you try to figure out how to menu down.
The reality is though the purpose of a camera in a cell phone is to be able to capture those quick little moments that were unexpected. For that purpose it serves it pretty well.
If you actually have all these moments that you must catch in the highest possible resolution, context, lighting and the rest, then I think you really do need to carry around a real camera. For the rest of us who just want to be able to snap off a quick memory and don't need a photographic studio at our disposal it works fairly well.
I suspect most people don't care much more about a camera on a cell phone then the fact that they can snap a quick picture. From the perpsective the iPhone is okay. In fact it is better than okay because it is much easier to snap a quick spontaneous picture on an iPhone that most other phones. Which means the difference between getting the picture at all or having a nice pretty backdrop where the picture would have been as you try to figure out how to menu down.
Well yes, but it would be nice to be able to catch those moments when the light's not so good as well.
I'm sorry, but this is in no way neccessarily true. Certainly my Sony Alpha 200 SLR boots up considerably quicker than my iPhone camera does.
This varies from chipset to chipset tremendously, but certainly the notion that a better camera would take more time to boot up is false - there are plenty of 5 MP Sony Erricsson cameras with flashes that boot into camera mode quicker than the iPhone camera does.
No, but you do need to get any picture information at all if it's dark or you're indoors. Which most people are, most of the time. And where the iPhone camera doesn't work, whereas plenty of competing camera phones do.
Phazer
just thought id add this in.
double-post and im sorry.
look at the Sony Ericsson W950i
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/overview/w950i
HANG ON! whats that...
its a multimedia phone.... plays videos.... but has no camera....
oh, cast it back into the fires of hell.
It's also over two years old and not made anymore.
What's your point? A Ford Cortina from 1976 won't have power steering, but it would be an amazing ommission in a car made nowadays.
Phazer
It doesn't need to be any thicker. As people have already pointed out in this thread, there are far superior mobile camera assemblies that would easily fit in the iPhone case in the same space the 2MP camera has now.
No one is asking for an SLR.
What people are saying is that the camera should be competative with the cameras present in thinner, smaller, cheaper phones - and that it should, like those cameras, work in every day situations like taking pictures indoor or in the dark.
And it doesn't.
Phazer
We're not arguing whether the iPhone is a worthy replacement for an actual camera. We're arguing that the camera on the iPhone could be a hell of a lot better with no price increase/size change.
The iPhone camera isn't so bad that I won't use it, but it's annoyed me more times than I can count (image blurring etc).
It could simply be a lot better.
Add a little light that goes flash when you take your finger of the shutter button and a 3.2 MP camera and it would be good enough. As it is, it's sub par - which doesn't make sense when you consider how great the rest of the iPhone is.
The iPhone camera isn't so bad that I won't use it, but it's annoyed me more times than I can count (image blurring etc).
It could simply be a lot better.
Add a little light that goes flash when you take your finger of the shutter button and a 3.2 MP camera and it would be good enough. As it is, it's sub par - which doesn't make sense when you consider how great the rest of the iPhone is.
just thought id add this in.
double-post and im sorry.
look at the Sony Ericsson W950i
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/overview/w950i
HANG ON! whats that...
its a multimedia phone.... plays videos.... but has no camera....
oh, cast it back into the fires of hell.
So because Sony Ericsson made a phone without a camera we need to change the definition of 'multimedia' now?
Simply put: No, we shall not.
Actually, plenty of the photos on the links above look to be taken indoors and look fine.
p.s. Ever heard of multi-quote?
Do remember that flickr downsizes, and adds a sharpen/colour filter.
If only the iPhone had these basic functions!