iPhone XS Max Can anybody explain to me why in 2018...

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  1. BeeGood macrumors 68000

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    Yes, really.

    Are you honestly telling me that a new neighborhood that has fiber all throughout isn’t going to have faster average speeds than a neighborhood getting service through old land lines that were laid 30 years ago?
     
  2. Howard2k macrumors 68020

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    No, it will for sure provide potentially higher throughput speeds when connected.

    But in either case, whether your wifi device is connected to a 10Gb/s fibre optic back end or a single 640Kb/s ADSL loop, the connection speed for the phone to the wifi is unchanged. I believe that's the issue that's being complained about - the connection speed to the network. Not the data throughput once connected.
     
  3. BeeGood macrumors 68000

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    My apologies again. Yes, that is what the OP is talking about. Not download/upload speeds.

    Gotta go to get some coffee to jump-start the reading comp portion of my brain. :D
     
  4. Howard2k macrumors 68020

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    lol, I know the feeling.
     
  5. GrumpyMom macrumors 604

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    Have you ever used a good quality Android phone? I’ve noticed my Android phones, (HTC 10, Pixel 2, most of my Samsung S-series) have given me pretty pain free call quality and strong connections to even weak signals in the US. I don’t usually use public WiFi so I can’t address that.

    I’ve unfortunately never really enjoyed that level of cell quality on an iPhone. Even when I had a 7 Plus with a Qualcomm modem. Apple has long been handicapping the Qualcomm modems to match the inferior capabilities of the Intel modems they also use.
     
  6. eddjedi, Oct 22, 2018
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    Anyway, this thread isn't simply a rant, it's a genuine question that I would be interested to hear a technical answer to. A few people seem to have understood my question. I don't believe demand is the cause either, it takes several seconds to join my own wi-fi network at home with just me connecting to it as well. In fact at home I often have to turn my Macbook Pro's wi-fi on and off to get an IP address assigned. And again I'm not talking about legacy hardware here, this is a 2016 Macbook Pro and a 2017 router.
     
  7. AppleHaterLover macrumors 68000

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    My LTE connection is great! I regularly get 100+ mbps.

    Really I don't know what you are on about. Maybe you're in the middle of nowhere?
     
  8. GrumpyMom macrumors 604

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    He’s talking about conditions on a subway or tube so my guess is he’s definitely not in the middle of nowhere.
     
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    Technically a subway tube is the middle of nowhere as far as radio frequencies are concerned...
     
  10. eddjedi thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Yes. Also nothing to do with connection speed. It's just fine when I'm connected, it's the time it takes to connect and sudden drop outs I am complaining about.
     
  11. AppleHaterLover macrumors 68000

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    Now that I read the entire wall of text I'm even more appalled.

    Really. You're stopped at a train station for 30 seconds and expect the phone to ping for known wi-fi networks every 10 seconds IN ADDITION to all the things it has to do? And then complain about battery life?

    Or that the iPhones have to work 100% of the time with all the zillions of cell towers in the entire world on all carriers? And then complain about the phone bill being too expensive?

    Jesus. Some people. There are very good carriers AROUND THE WORLD if you're willing to pay for better service.
     
  12. eddjedi thread starter macrumors 6502

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    you either haven't read it, or haven't understood it. I didn't complain about battery life or expensive phone bills, you must have this confused with another thread. I do not expect a phone on standby to ping every 10 seconds, however what I do expect is a modern phone that I am physically trying to connect to a network (eg in settings, clicking on a network) to be able to identify and connect to wi-fi in under 30 seconds, which my phone doesn't seem capable of.
     
  13. tromboneaholic Suspended

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    "We should commit ourselves to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of instant Wi-Fi connectivity on subways."

    - John F Kennedy​
     
  14. eddjedi thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Exactly, he made that speech in 1961, and he wasn't implying he wanted to land on the moon in 1971!
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    I guess the nearest thing I have seen to solving this issue is so-called mesh wi-fi systems. I have one at home because when I had two separate routers with exactly the same SSID and password, I would still get a drop out of 10+ seconds when going between rooms. So why can't all wi-fi networks achieve the same seamlessness of mesh? Again this is a question, I'm not a telecoms or networking expert.
     
  15. webbuzz macrumors 68000

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    Cellular connectivity is no more reliable than 30 years ago?

    I mean, AMPS didn't have near the coverage then, but it was a lot better than using that greasy and germ-infested payphone on the side of the road, or at an airport. I was perfectly happy with my MicroTAC in 1990, especially when traveling.
     
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    This actually came to mind when I read the OP.
     
  17. charlituna macrumors G3

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    Are you absolutely totally positive that the issue is the phone. And not some other piece of the puzzle with the tech. After all cell towers and wifi systems are complex things. There’s all sorts of factors with either that can run from how many devices are trying to connect at once to power surges in their mains to the type of materials the signal is bouncing around in.
     
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    I'm with you. I don't get why I have four full bars (or a full wifi icon) on my phone but no data coming through. Either I have a signal or I don't. Why is my video frozen if I have a good connection? Why do I have to shut my tv off and then on again to restart the wifi at home? I didn't have to with one service but now I do and my new service is supposed to be even faster than the old one. I know, I know, FWP but it is annoying and confusing.

    And all LCK wants to do is get on a plane, use the Wifi to get some porn and JO in front of people.
     
  19. AppleHaterLover macrumors 68000

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    I don't know what you work with but pretty much everything we do in the world is designed to perform its function at X standard and Y cost, Z% of the time. You want to raise standards, costs should grow accordingly.

    Ever been to a concert and 4G LTE doesn't work in the stadium? Your carrier surely could provide sufficient bandwidth for all those stupid Instagram stories for 150,000 phones just for that day at that specific place. They won't because this would be a very stupid allocation of resources.

    Consumer electronics are not critical devices. Bandwidth is not infinite, and neither is money.

    Boeing's target for dispatch reliability on the 737 MAX is 99.7%. Go ask them how many billions of dollars that cost to develop and how many millions of dollars one single unit of that plane costs.
     
  20. Mac'nCheese Suspended

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    I gotcha. I just hate having a good signal but no data. Yes, I'm connected to the service but its not giving me anything because the pipes are clogged. Who cares how good the signal is if nothing is coming through.
     
  21. mi7chy, Oct 22, 2018
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    It could be a combination of reasons from greed, not using the best technology available from Qualcomm instead of Intel, aggressive power management, suboptimal antenna design, challenging environment, carrier issue, etc.

    Have you tried a different make and model to see if there's a difference. Perhaps a Galaxy S8 or preferably newer to get all the supported bands.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/7xqtdg/iphone_slow_to_pick_up_service_on_the_nyc_subway/

     
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    what i dont get is why when my phone says i have 3G its no better than no service. there was a time when 3G was excellent, what happened?
     
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