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Can the new Penryn Macbook Pro's run Tiger?

alphaod said:
I guess the guy at the Apple Store lied to me.
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As jurassicmac said:
jurassicmac said:
For this question, it would have been useless to call Apple to support to find out if it were possible. They will only tell you what is supported. Big difference.
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He is quite right that speculation isn't very useful, and it'd be better just to let people who have tried answer the question. Apple are the WORST people to ask this sort of thing, as they will just recite company policy which of course will be limited to what they have decided to support and test.

He probably didn't lie, but simply didn't know and was himself only guessing.
 
for the benefit of anyone interested here is the text from a message conversation between myself and the rather useful melee!


Hi,

Having read your posts on putting tiger onto a macbook pro, I just wanted to ask you a few more questions? if thats ok?

I have found an imac 10.4.10 disc on ebay, but before I shell out just wanted to check some things, you say about finding the osinstall.dist file? Is this on the macbook pro or the disc? I've had a look on my HD and my leopard rescue disk and cant find anything resembling it? Obv I'm aware the tiger discs may be completely different, but then if its on the disc I didnt think it would be possible to change the file as surely it is read only?

how do you open a .mpkg file so you ca view the contents?

Finally, if I could get hold of an old mac book pro tiger rescue disk would that work easier/better than the imac one?

thanks in advance for all your help, sorry to sound a bit stupid, but like you I need pro tools, and I wasnt aware how much of a ball ache it was gonna be to get it working!

cheers

Fuller
It'd be better if all questions were kept on the thread - so everyone can learn. But here are the quick answers.

The OSInstall.dist file is inside the System\Installation\Packages\OSInstall.mpkg file on the install DVD. To open up the .mpkg, just ctrl-click (or right click) on it and click 'show package contents'.

As to which version of the CD to get. I've really no idea. I don't know if the different versions actually contain different drivers, or whether the only difference is the hardware specified in the OSInstall file that we're modifying. Sorry.

Hope that helps.
Ben.
 
More Functionality

In case anyone is interested in running a Penryn Macbook Pro with Tiger, you may notice that some of the functionality is reduced (i.e., the function key does not work, and the function keys across the top of the keyboard do not do the advanced functions (dashboard, expose, volume, etc). To fix this, simply grab the /System/Library/Extensions/appleUSBTopcover.kext file from a Leopard install (I dual partitioned my Macbook Pro, 1 with Tiger, 1 with Leopard), and drop it into /System/Library/Extensions on your Tiger install. Then just simply reboot (unless you know how to load/unload a kernel extension, but I still suggest rebooting). After this, the keyboard should be fully functional.

I am still working on figuring out how to get multi-touch to work on the trackpad though, i'm assuming there is another kernel extension besides the AppleUSBMultitouch.kext file that it relies on. If I figure it out, i'll post here.
 
Well, I appreciate this thread... With how unstable my MBP4,1 has been since 10.5.3 (6 kernel crashes in 36 hours), I'm REALLY close to going back to 10.4. I really miss being able to run my laptop for more than a day or two without crashing.
 
bakerzdosen said:
Well, I appreciate this thread... With how unstable my MBP4,1 has been since 10.5.3 (6 kernel crashes in 36 hours), I'm REALLY close to going back to 10.4. I really miss being able to run my laptop for more than a day or two without crashing.
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If your machine is crashing every day or two, then something else might be wrong.

I am running Leopard, and my machine has been up for over 15 days.

Any applications that may not be supported by Leopard?
 
Has anyone been successful in installing OSX 10.4.10 on a Penryn Macbook Pro as of late? I have a set of the aforementioned operating system discs for Intel machines, that read 'For Macintosh Computers' on the labels.

I had to unwillingly upgrade to a current model MB Pro, and have many apps that will only run on 10.4. I don't have a machine that natively runs this(only Leopard), so I'm trying to figure out a way to modify the 10.4.10 installer so I can use it on this computer. Thanks!:D
 
Melee said:
YES!To make the 10.4 DVD allow installation, you need to edit the OSInstall.dist file inside the OSInstall.mpkg file found in System\Installation. Towards the bottom is a list of allowed machines ('GoodHardware' if I remember rightly?). Depending on what disc you use it might be large or restricted to a single model only. For the new MBP you need to add MacBookPro4,1 to the list. Save and reboot using the DVD.
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This is the old "make FCP work on a G4 trick!" I've been telling people for years that FCP or any installer will work as long as the identifier is changed and here is another happy user that has followed these steps.
It all depends if you want full functionality of your hardware to the full potential (new trackpad gestures etc.) but it can be done in most cases.
 
Sorry to bump an old thread (should I start a new one), but I have a MacBook Pro (Early 2008, MacBookPro4,1). I want to install Mac OS X Tiger on it. Can I use any Tiger restore disc and edit the OSInstall.mpkg? What is the best Tiger restore disc to use with a MacBookPro4,1?
 
AnonMac50 said:
Sorry to bump an old thread (should I start a new one), but I have a MacBook Pro (Early 2008, MacBookPro4,1). I want to install Mac OS X Tiger on it. Can I use any Tiger restore disc and edit the OSInstall.mpkg? What is the best Tiger restore disc to use with a MacBookPro4,1?
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You cannot use ANY Tiger restore disc. IT WILL NOT WORK.
 
I managed to get Tiger up and running on my Early 2008, but it does miss some features:
  • Trackpad is only point-and-click (no 2-finger scrolling, right-clicking)
  • Bluetooth cannot be turned of, and its preference pane is unaccessible (it seems to work otherwise, though)
  • AirPort is lazy to join preferred networks automatically (after restart)
  • Audio through built-in speakers sounds different (no DSP, I guess)
Really the biggest things bothering me are the trackpad and Bluetooth.

Have any of you experienced the same? Do workarounds exist?

(Sorry to bump this up again)
 
hamis92 said:
I managed to get Tiger up and running on my Early 2008, but it does miss some features:
  • Trackpad is only point-and-click (no 2-finger scrolling, right-clicking)
  • Bluetooth cannot be turned of, and its preference pane is unaccessible (it seems to work otherwise, though)
  • AirPort is lazy to join preferred networks automatically (after restart)
  • Audio through built-in speakers sounds different (no DSP, I guess)
Really the biggest things bothering me are the trackpad and Bluetooth.

Have any of you experienced the same? Do workarounds exist?

(Sorry to bump this up again)
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I read that you might be able to use some files from the Leopard or Snow Leopard.
 
I have installed tiger 10.4.7 on my iMac8,1 but ethernet and wireless doesn't work. Anyone know how/where to get the drivers ?
Thanks
 
Lukasmacy said:
Not really much help is it ?
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Well, you are asking for help getting an OS from two major versions ago running on new hardware. The last update to Tiger was in 2007 ...

Technology moves on. Tiger was great - but it has no place on a current machine.
 
So does anyone know how I can get the drivers for wireless and/or ethernet for my iMac. Help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
 
Lukasmacy said:
So does anyone know how I can get the drivers for wireless and/or ethernet for my iMac. Help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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Possibly, JUST possibly, by upgrading to 10.4.11, it MIGHT work. Also, which version of Tiger is the disc from? iMac7,1? If not, I would recommend try it, as it has the most in common with the iMac8,1 while it officially supported Tiger. That is why I want the disc of a MacBookPro3,1 for my MacBookPro4,1. If the 10.4.11 trick doesn't work, then try the iMac7,1 disc and upgrade that to 10.4.11, although, I am not sure it will have much difference.

Please reply with your experiences.


EDIT: Mactracker is your friend.
 
The discs are from an iMac5,1. I installed 10.4.11 and now I can connect via ethernet/wireless but now I have no sound. I'm installing updates so hopefully that may solve it.
Thanks AnonMac50
 
Lukasmacy said:
The discs are from an iMac5,1. I installed 10.4.11 and now I can connect via ethernet/wireless but now I have no sound. I'm installing updates so hopefully that may solve it.
Thanks AnonMac50
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It's alright. I assumed it wouldn't have sound, as my MacBook Pro came with OS 10.5.2, but upon installing 10.5 Server, it was running perfectly minus the sound, the trackpad gestures, and the keyboard function keys. Upon updating to 10.5.8, everything worked just like it used to in 10.5.8 in normal Leopard. Now I have Snow Leopard, with hard-to-live-without trackpad gestures. Oh well, I haven't installed Tiger yet, but I will soon, once O find a MacBookPro3,1 disc on ebay that ships to Kuwait and/or Australia. :apple:

-AnonMac50

PS. Am looking for a solution to the sound, also, I would love to see some screenshots. ;).
 
Sooo after installing the updates still no sound and now I can't connect to my network, in system profiler it says airport is turned off and ethernet says the cable is not plugged in. Looks like those updates have had an affect. All the function keys work except brightness which I have on full anyway so it doesn't bother me. I may see if I can find some info about iMac7,1 discs and if they will work.

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Cool pics, apparently, sound cannot work on these iMacs. I am not sure about the networking issue. Which updates did u install before experiencing this issue? Did you install all networking updates? If it is not much of a hassle for you, maybe (I probably would do that) you could reinstall the system? Then select specific updates, e.g. the 10.4.11, iTunes, QuickTime, etc. Don't install any network updates if any etc. Or maybe try update by update, and if any cause a problem with the networking, then maybe it exclude that update, etc.

-AnonMac50
 
I installed 1 network update which was for airport I think, anyway I reinstalled installing 10.4.11, then afterwards installed updates excluding the airport update, and I still couldn't connect to the network, says there is an ethernet cable unplugged and sound didn't work still. So that was it really unfortunate that Apple don't support older OS's than what the system shipped with. So I have now installed snow leopard, kinda miss the tiger dock I liked it.
 
Oh, well. Maybe if you share another computer's internet by BlueTooth? Or maybe you have a USB internet dongle?
 
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