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Can we declare Broadwell processors a flop on MacBooks yet?

mcarling said:
Apple will not make the mistake again of releasing during the peak holiday shoplifting season.
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thadoggfather said:
Can you elaborate?
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Apple announced new iMacs at the beginning of the 2012 peak holiday shoplifting season and then was unable to ship significant quantities until after the peak holiday shoplifting season had ended, losing out on hundreds of thousands of potential sales. Had Apple delayed the announcement, they could have continued selling the previous version without any difficulty and then had the new version ready to ship in quantity in the beginning of 2013.

A 15" Skylake MBP launched in 2015 would probably face the same problem.
 
you keep saying shoplifting season, as if there were heists over the retina iMac.

I don't think you're using that word correctly.

Otherwise, I agree with your analysis.
 
Im confused by all this guys.

I intend on replacing my 2011 13 inch MBP shortly.

I don't want to buy something thats going to lag and be a ****.

Which model should i be looking at?
 
mcarling said:
Some people think of the season as the holiday shopping season. I think of it as the holiday shoplifting season. There is no implication about which items tend to get shoplifted. It is a season of high demand for Apple products, particularly in the States.

http://www.goupstate.com/article/20141213/ARTICLES/141219808
http://djournal.com/news/shoplifting-a-holiday-problem/
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Sure more shoppers more potential theft, but that's not relevant to loss of sales from people who would buy the product (not steal it) and were in the market but were unable to due to supplier issues in your argument.

The two are not related.
 
saintforlife said:
The Broadwell processor upgrade hasn't gone well so far for this year's new Mac laptops to say the least.

It didn't provide any tangible performance (infact it may be slower than last year's models in certain benchmarks) or battery life improvement on the MacBook Airs. Now there are reports of the 2015 MacBook Pros lagging and stuttering.

Is anybody else holding out for Skylake?
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CPU is about the same. GPU is better. Battery life is better.
 
Samuelsan2001 said:
Apple are committed to using at least some broadwell chips they will do a broadwell 15 inch when it arrives and they won't do another skylake one 6 months later.

9 months maybe (march next year) but not 6.

I also think you are giving too much ability for apple to do their development without the chips and chip sets in hand. Especially if they do a redesign.

Still this is all just speculative nonsense and you are entitled to your outrageous guess as much as I am...
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How do you use something that doesn't exist? Throughout many threads and news outlets, the speculation is over whether the Broadwell-H will even be released. I can pretty much guarantee you that Apple has some form of the chips right now so development is well under way. I don't think my guess is outrageous. A new MBP may be far off but the idea that there won't be a 15" Broadwell seems like a fairly high possibility given The current status.

mcarling said:
You started off on firm ground and then wandered into a bog. Apple certainly have samples of Skylake-H chips running at various speeds. This suffices for Apple to design and develop the logic board for the 15" MBP. However, it does not suffice to do the rigorous testing that Apple do prior to large-scale production. Remember, Apple will need to produce nearly a million per month, so the manufacturing process needs to be flawless too.

The Skylake-H chips that will go into the 15" MBP support DDR4. Intel's focus is on getting the Skylake-M and Skylake-U chips supporting DDR3 out the door first. I just don't see any chance whatsoever that Intel could have several hundred thousand Skylake-H chips per month in Apple's hands by September, which would be needed for an early November MBP release. Apple will not make the mistake again of releasing during the peak holiday shoplifting season.

On the other hand, it might be possible for Apple to release a 13" Skylake MBP in time for the 2015 peak holiday shoplifting season. I'm not at all confident either than it will be possible or that Apple would choose to do another 13" MBP release without the 15" MBP, but I cannot rule it out.
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They probably can tool their line fairly well with what they have or will be able to by September. I'm not saying it will for sure come out at the end of the year, but I don't think the possibility should be ruled out. I highly doubt that we will see a Skylake 13" MBP before the 15" is touched. They would most likely delay a launch until the whole series is ready given the current state of things.
 
It seems apple has a bigger problem than the coming processors, they can't seem to get the screens right.
 
thadoggfather said:
Sure more shoppers more potential theft, but that's not relevant to loss of sales from people who would buy the product (not steal it) and were in the market but were unable to due to supplier issues in your argument.

The two are not related.
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I think he is just calling it that to designate a time period... he isn't making a case about shop lifting.

The problem was Apple released a new machine around the peak shopping season and couldn't produce enough to meet the demand... so instead of letting that happen, they can continue to sell the older model that is already in production (and in stock) instead of risking a new model that they might not be able to produce enough of. This way, they can meet the demand of the shopping season and make the most profit off of it -- because people will buy the current selection for gifts. If they don't have something to sell, people can't buy.
 
kwokaaron said:
I'm pretty sure that's because iStat isn't finding the fan sensor on your mac. Try updating your iStat to the beta version they released last week. Pretty sure they added support for your mac if the release notes are correct.
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Nope, MBPr 13 2015 runs 0 rpm for light usage. That's confirmed - look for thread (MacBook fan activation...)
 
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