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Hi all,

Some of you have followed my past couple posts..I ordered the 15" MBP with the 460/1TB/16GB RAM but recently canceled it due to all of the issues, seems to be less issues with the 13" version, who knows and who cares at this point.

During my initial waiting for the 15" I had bought the base 13"NTB to try out and liked it a lot except it simply wasn't quite powerful enough so I gave it to my Niece last week.

I then bought the maxed out Surface Book which was flawless and very nice but it confirmed what I should have already known, Windows is not for me. Windows 10 was really nice and quite refreshing but....not for me. I returned it.

Just bought the maxed out 3.3/512/16GB RAM 13" MBP and love it. I think this will do it and may not end up re-ordering the 15" later on.

The only issue I see with this maxed out 13" is scrolling lag everywhere except the Photos app. Not sure whats up but I'm taking it in to the store tomorrow to have them look at it. Build quality is outstanding...again.
 
What lag are you experiencing?

I have the nTB 13 and it's been smooth so far.

How do I upload a video here at Macrumors? It will show the lag.

When I two finger scroll any website in Safari, or applications the pages get jittery when slowly scrolling, if I fly through the scrolling super fast either I can't see the lag or it's not lagging. Also my doc animations when I click on a doc icon the icon actually does a little two-step jitter when opening, its not fluid and smooth. I have disabled the following:

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How do I upload a video here at Macrumors? It will show the lag.

When I two finger scroll any website in Safari, or applications the pages get jittery when slowly scrolling, if I fly through the scrolling super fast either I can't see the lag or it's not lagging. Also my doc animations when I click on a doc icon the icon actually does a little two-step jitter when opening, its not fluid and smooth. I have disabled the following:

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You can use Quicktime to so a "Screen Recording", however this will add more lag to your system because its recording. Your best bet is to use your phone to record the screen, upload to youtube, post link here.
 
13" is the way to go. 15" too big. And if you're working with external displays then 13" is ideal. Assuming u r working with 1 5k. Like my setup.
 
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I ordered the 15 inch 512/16/455 and after a couple days regretted it and swapped it out for the 15 inch 1tb / 16 / 460. It feels worth it. No glitches or issues.
 
what were these issues you commented on?

I am far too concerned about the 460 GPU issues, speaker crackling, UI lag, display issues of various types (uneven color and bezel not seated correctly), some keys not working, trackpad issues like three finger not working and due to shear size of trackpad and palm rejection problems it gets in the way of many during typing (me for one).

Most of the reported concerns point at the 15". The 13" main gripe seems to be battery life, so far this 13" maxed out Pro I have is managing about 8 hours, I'm fine with that.
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I ordered the 15 inch 512/16/455 and after a couple days regretted it and swapped it out for the 15 inch 1tb / 16 / 460. It feels worth it. No glitches or issues.

Glad to hear yours is good. Until I see an official public response or fix from Apple I just cannot buy the 15". I had the maxed out 15" ordered (exactly like yours).
 
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I am far too concerned about the 460 GPU issues, speaker crackling, UI lag, display issues of various types (uneven color and bezel not seated correctly), some keys not working, trackpad issues like three finger not working and due to shear size of trackpad and palm rejection problems it gets in the way of many during typing (me for one).

Most of the reported concerns point at the 15". The 13" main gripe seems to be battery life, so far this 13" maxed out Pro I have is managing about 8 hours, I'm fine with that.
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Glad to hear yours is good. Until I see an official public response or fix from Apple I just cannot buy the 15". I had the maxed out 15" ordered (exactly like yours).
Although theres a lot of complaints on this forum its not as a big of an issue as it seems. There have been a lot of people very satisfied with their 15 inch. I would've just waited until after you got your order and seen if you had any problems before going for the 13 inch
 
I returned my 15" MacBook Pro with TB due to the graphics card. after a week of use it was progressively getting worse. Flashing display, wallpaper appearing as a negative, and occasionally scrambling. I had recently retired a 2012 15" rMBP that had pretty much the same issues for the three years I owned it. When I returned my recent 15" MacBook Pro I was lucky enough to get the only 13" MacBook Pro w/TB maxed out at 3.3 16gb ram and 512 ssd. So far, after a day, I am loving it more than the 15", which was the $2799 model. I think I have finally realized, for me, the iGPU is the only way to go. Sure, it would be nice to have a similar 15" but maybe down the road...
 
I'm thinking of doing the same. I have the 15" 2.7, 455, 512gb. I'm using mine mostly for class. I have a gaming rig at home. What I'm wondering tho, is how well the dual core i7 will perform for Java coding? Should I stick with the quad core for those kind of things?
 
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Conversely, I had graphics glitches with my non-TB 13" model and when looking at the different models in the Store, I swapped it for a 15" model. The TB 13" model was tempting though - a specced up one of those makes for a very powerful and very portable laptop.
 
It amazes me how people buy macbooks (and surface pro) like a couple of socks, then return it, then change it, then give it away, then get another one...
 
The issue of lagging seems to be one that has been afflicting MBPs since the 2012 rMBP. I'm not saying its not an issue now, but rather pointing out, for some reason every generation seems to have this issue.

If it were me, deciding on the 15" vs. 13", I'd opt for the 15" if it was my main machine, or the 13" if its my secondary machine. For instance, I have a low end Surface Book, because my main machine is the iMac, I have no need for the horse power.
 
Sorry to say but reading forums and basing your decision on complaints is really silly. I understand the nervousness but I just exchanged a perfect silver 15 2.9, 1Tb,460 for exactly the same unit in space grey and both machines are perfect. The complaints are few compared to the number of people that have perfect machines forums like this are to get help with some issues that maybe present, but does not represent the units that are just fine. Besides all that you can exchange it , repair it or whatever. I have to have a working machine for my business just like many. But relying on forum chatter is not a buying decision but to be aware one. Most of these issues are bad migration software glitches from older machines as most people including my adult children and wife never ever clean their systems out and just move crap over that causes issues. 90 percent of this is user error. If heir truly is a graphics issue Apple will fix it, no question about it.
 
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To the OP-

Is this 13" model you purchased the "in-store" only BTO model? I know you can configure it online but the retail stores sometimes have a BTO model in stock.

If so, what does it retail at?
 
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