Canon 60d return for d7000

[Digital Skunk]

The thing is, I WON'T know what I will want in 5 years because I don't know what they will have.

True, but that's what you should base your purchase off of what lasts the longest . . . . the lenses, the strobes, etc.

Well both Nikon and Canon offer equal arrays of lenses pretty much so it doesn't help to decide the brand that way.

Equal arrays of lenses that vary slightly or greatly in image quality. Canon has been renowned for it's wide-angle optics and Nikon for it's standard zooms. Now, you have Canon really pushing the Cinema lenses so if HD video with an SLR is your cup of tea you may want to look into that.

My D2xs, D2hs, D200, D80, D70, D50 are all gone, but my 17-55 is still with me.

But I would imagine the deciding factor for many serious users might come down to the fact that the Canon has a fabulous fold out and rotatable LCD and the Nikon doesn't. That Canon LCD gives you lots of options for shots the Nikon simply can't.

Terrible feature to base a purchase off of. Nice feature, but it'd have to come down to more than just the moveable LCD . . . . but then again, we are talking about consumer mannerisms.

I think you answered your own question there. You seem on the fence about owning the 60D, so return it while the D7000 price is down, and exchange it.

This seems to be the sum of it.

 

[NewGuyHere]

Thanks you've been a great help, I love both, but can only have one and I think the d7000 will be better for me, although I love canon's bodies and how they look, the performance is a bit better on the d7000 and its a chance to get from a entry-mid range slr to a mid-semipro slr.

 

[Sideonecincy]

its a chance to get from a entry-mid range slr to a mid-semipro slr.

Sorry, I disagree with this. You are going from an entry-mid to the equivalent of Nikon, which is also an entry-mid. Something like the D300s or D700 as a semi-pro camera.

But that is a different topic, sounds like you should return the 60D for the D7000.

 

[r.harris1]

Thanks you've been a great help, I love both, but can only have one and I think the d7000 will be better for me, although I love canon's bodies and how they look, the performance is a bit better on the d7000 and its a chance to get from a entry-mid range slr to a mid-semipro slr.

Remember that a camera is just a tool that you can use to produce images and no brand of camera will make you a good photographer. You should be able to coax the same image quality from both the canon and the nikon given an understanding and practice of fundamentals that are independent of the manufacturer. You would definitely be moving from one nicely performing entry-mid camera to another.

What about your current tool doesn't work for you - which I haven't heard you answer yet - ? I've seen you mention looks and vaguely performance, but not sure what "performance" means.

 

[NewGuyHere]

Remember that a camera is just a tool that you can use to produce images and no brand of camera will make you a good photographer. You should be able to coax the same image quality from both the canon and the nikon given an understanding and practice of fundamentals that are independent of the manufacturer. You would definitely be moving from one nicely performing entry-mid camera to another.

What about your current tool doesn't work for you - which I haven't heard you answer yet - ? I've seen you mention looks and vaguely performance, but not sure what "performance" means.

Dam I think I can't answer that question...it's just I want the next best thing...

 

[r.harris1]

Dam I think I can't answer that question...it's just I want the next best thing...

Then you'll want the d7000 or d400 (rumored) or the upgraded d7000 when that comes out next year - or will it be this year?. But wait! Maybe the 1dx. Or the nex-7. Or the d4. Or the d800. Then you'll want the 600mm AS-S vr or the 200mm f2. There's always something shiney out there (that's why we're here at macrumors). You should try canonrumors.com or nikonrumors.com. If you are interested in photography (hard to tell from this one thread) spend some time getting the tools you need and asking good questions about those tools to make sure they are, in fact, the right ones.

If you buy it for looks, you get what you deserve

 

[cupcakes2000]

To be honest, really as far as bodies are concerned you should be looking at ease of use and how they feel in your hands. Both bodies you are looking at are pretty much equal, and both Canon and Nikon have some amazing lenses and some ***** lenses.

I always thought when I brought my first slr I wanted to shoot Nikon. I just thought of it as a more 'cool' brand, a bit left field. Upon trying them out, actually Canon was far more comfortable to hold, and way easier to use.

Just forget about features for now, and look to how the system works for you. If you're serious about this, you'll be buying a better body before long anyway, and it won't matter. It is the photographer that takes the pictures, coupled with the lens. The body is just the tool to enable that, and so the more intuitive you find it to use the better.

 

[r.harris1]

To be honest, really as far as bodies are concerned you should be looking at ease of use and how they feel in your hands. Both bodies you are looking at are pretty much equal, and both Canon and Nikon have some amazing lenses and some ***** lenses.

I always thought when I brought my first slr I wanted to shoot Nikon. I just thought of it as a more 'cool' brand, a bit left field. Upon trying them out, actually Canon was far more comfortable to hold, and way easier to use.

Just forget about features for now, and look to how the system works for you. If you're serious about this, you'll be buying a better body before long anyway, and it won't matter. It is the photographer that takes the pictures, coupled with the lens. The body is just the tool to enable that, and so the more intuitive you find it to use the better.

Too true. And for the OP, to add to the story, I dabbled in Canon because it seemed popular and "cool" and settled on Nikon because it was more comfortable to hold and way easier to use. Go figure I've since come to appreciate Nikon's CLS and wicked auto-focuse capabilities but the moral is: Nikon is the coolest! (Kidding!). The real moral is if you are only looking for the latest and greatest, you'll always be looking, because it's always over the horizon. If you want to take photographs that matter (at least to you), spend some time with your camera choices and make an informed decision that works for you and from what you observe.

 

[BJMRamage]

Go in to Best Buy or, better yet, a real camera shop (even if it is a nat'l chain type) and hold both cameras. Ask to use similar lenses, most often they will pull a lens out for you to try. Hold them and see what feels right when snapping away.

Costco had a great deal on a D7000 a year ago and when my then current camera broke I was hesitant to buy the D7k for the price. I knew it was good but wanted to check out other cameras and so I went in to a shop and "tested" them some.

The D7k is heavier than my D70 and heavier than the D5k/3k but it just felt Better in my hands.

loved my decision but you need to go out and use them a bit and test, as pointed out in this thread these brands make great cameras and more importantly great lenses that will stick with you for a while.

 

[Jackmerced]

Just go and exchange it already. I'm not intending to be rude, but obviously there isn't anyone here that's going to convince you to keep the 60D. Your problem will be solved, and time will be saved answering these posts. Next time just buy what you really want.

 

[NewGuyHere]

Ha, and to make things worse, the 70D replacement is said to come out in september-ish, and the t4i just came out.

 

[r.harris1]

Ha, and to make things worse, the 70D replacement is said to come out in september-ish, and the t4i just came out.

Yep - Life's a bitch - just take the plunge, any plunge and go take some photographs for crissake.

 

[cupcakes2000]

Ha, and to make things worse, the 70D replacement is said to come out in september-ish, and the t4i just came out.

I'm not sure you're listening to anything anyone is saying man!!

 

[NewGuyHere]

Oh trust me I am, I am getting the d7000 tomorrow., after trying to shoot some photos of planes and people running around the af is pretty inaccurate I think the d7000 will be much better.

 

[r.harris1]

Oh trust me I am, I am getting the d7000 tomorrow., after trying to shoot some photos of planes and people running around the af is pretty inaccurate I think the d7000 will be much better.

All AF systems will take practice and hard graft - don't confuse "auto focus" with "easy focus". You need to spend some time to understand the nuances of whatever system you get, which is apparently now going to be Nikon's. I expect you'll find Nikon's system "inaccurate" as well until you've practiced it a lot.

 

[Clix Pix]

Oh trust me I am, I am getting the d7000 tomorrow., after trying to shoot some photos of planes and people running around the af is pretty inaccurate I think the d7000 will be much better.

Chances are you were not using a lens which is up to that kind of shooting -- i.e., a fast f/2.8 telephoto. Kit lenses are usually slow zooms. Also, were you shooting in "Continuous High?" (Canon may have another term for this). What is the camera's fps rate? All of these elements come into play when shooting fast-moving objects and people.

I'll reiterate what others have been saying in this thread, too: it's the lenses which in the end are far more significant than the camera body, especially when shooting sports or wildlife.

 

[Artful Dodger]

Oh trust me I am, I am getting the d7000 tomorrow., after trying to shoot some photos of planes and people running around the af is pretty inaccurate I think the d7000 will be much better.

Nope…

I have a D7000 and I also have the D90. I don't have "fast glass" yet I was still able to get very good shots using the D90 & 70-300 at an air show last year. In fact my friend who never used a dslr much less a camera was able to get some very good shots on his first day with the D90.

I showed him a few key points and let him try, then a bit more over two days as it is more about knowing the camera you use, same with the lens setup than run and gun. Not once did I have my lens that I really like because it wasn't the right one for the event. The D90 was more than enough for the event, so would have been the D7000 but I didn't have it with me.

I'm going to say that if you had a different lens things would have been fine unless in the odd chance the camera has an issue, maybe.

As for the rest of the thread everyone has been really positive in how to select a camera and so on. Same goes here, I thought I'd be a Canon guy and Nikon felt really good holding it so going back some years I bought a D50. I still have it and it only has 6 focus points and yet I'd still use that at an air show any day and get great photos. Same for Sports or anything, know your target, subject and so on. I've seen some photos in POTD here from a P&S camera that were better than some with a full frame because they had taken the time to learn their camera, the subject matter and most of all the basics of photography. Brand did not matter same for my friend those two days.

I'm not sure what features matter most here as it seems cloudy but either unit can do what you need it to do. Maybe post a few of these iffy photos and get some feedback so you know if it is the camera or the user. This can be helpful if you are willing to accept the input from those who have been happy taking photos for quite some time

 

[Sideonecincy]

Nope…

I have a D7000 and I also have the D90. I don't have "fast glass" yet I was still able to get very good shots using the D90 & 70-300 at an air show last year. In fact my friend who never used a dslr much less a camera was able to get some very good shots on his first day with the D90.

I showed him a few key points and let him try, then a bit more over two days as it is more about knowing the camera you use, same with the lens setup than run and gun. Not once did I have my lens that I really like because it wasn't the right one for the event. The D90 was more than enough for the event, so would have been the D7000 but I didn't have it with me.

I'm going to say that if you had a different lens things would have been fine unless in the odd chance the camera has an issue, maybe.

As for the rest of the thread everyone has been really positive in how to select a camera and so on. Same goes here, I thought I'd be a Canon guy and Nikon felt really good holding it so going back some years I bought a D50. I still have it and it only has 6 focus points and yet I'd still use that at an air show any day and get great photos. Same for Sports or anything, know your target, subject and so on. I've seen some photos in POTD here from a P&S camera that were better than some with a full frame because they had taken the time to learn their camera, the subject matter and most of all the basics of photography. Brand did not matter same for my friend those two days.

I'm not sure what features matter most here as it seems cloudy but either unit can do what you need it to do. Maybe post a few of these iffy photos and get some feedback so you know if it is the camera or the user. This can be helpful if you are willing to accept the input from those who have been happy taking photos for quite some time

I believe he is saying that the AF on the 60D is missing. IMO, he is just looking for any reason to try to validate it to you on why he should switch....our opinions honestly shouldn't change your mind, if you aren't happy with it, please go trade it in.

If you continue to try to come up with reasons to trade it in to talk about in this thread, you are going to miss your 30 day return window.

Both Canon and Nikon make great cameras.

 

[NewGuyHere]

Still have a week to think it through.

 

[NewGuyHere]

Today is judgment day, I am going to spend a lot of time with the Nikon at the store and play around with it like I would here. Whichever I find best to me I will keep. Or I might wait for the 70D =D

 

[HoldFastHope]

Prediction: your photos will look the same regardless of which camera you choose.

Personal feel is what counts the most here, and if you're more comfortable with the Nikon then go for it. Both are fairly evenly matched feature and IQ wise though, so don't expect that if you switch systems your photos will get magically better. They won't.

 

[Altitude]

The Map is Not the Territory

HoldFastHope (above) has spoken more truth in a couple of sentences than all the rest of us pontificating on this topic could ever hope to do. Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Sony, Panasonic, Leica, Voitglander--none of these is the key to a great--or even good--photograph.

A great photograph is born in the eye of the beholder and not in the lens of the camera or in it's electronics or ergonomics. Ansel Adams with a Brownie Hawkeye would probably take better photographs than you or I ever could regardless of what was in our feeble hands or how much we paid for the illusion that possessing it would somehow make us a better "artist."

 

[rpmor]

HoldFastHope (above) has spoken more truth in a couple of sentences than all the rest of us pontificating on this topic could ever hope to do. Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Sony, Panasonic, Leica, Voitglander--none of these is the key to a great--or even good--photograph.

A great photograph is born in the eye of the beholder and not in the lens of the camera or in it's electronics or ergonomics. Ansel Adams with a Brownie Hawkeye would probably take better photographs than you or I ever could regardless of what was in our feeble hands or how much we paid for the illusion that possessing it would somehow make us a better "artist."

while all this is true i think that is probably half of the realities of photography; the other half that has been alluded to here or mentioned subtly is that you are picking a system and for the most part you are marrying that system once you start acquiring more gear (namely lenses). unless money is no object or you're a professional that is being sponsored or simply being sponsored the cost-benefits of switching systems down the road isn't something you can take on lightly.

If it weren't for many friends around me shooting Nikon for example; I would have taken Canon for their cheaper f4 lenses to which Nikon doesn't provide an equivalent. However since many of my friends owned good equipment I was able to borrow it became a no brainer to go for Nikon.

Just my two cents worth.

 

[initialsBB]

Both are fairly evenly matched feature and IQ wise though, so don't expect that if you switch systems your photos will get magically better. They won't.

You can end up spending a lot of time with a camera; it's not about magically making better pictures, it's about being the most at ease with the tool.

 

[HoldFastHope]

You can end up spending a lot of time with a camera; it's not about magically making better pictures, it's about being the most at ease with the tool.

Agree, but the OP isn't saying anything about feel. He's saying this...

...I've seen you mention looks and vaguely performance, but not sure what "performance" means.

Dam I think I can't answer that question...it's just I want the next best thing...

Hence the blunt responses.