Im racking my brain here. Will be getting either one in the next week. Both cost about the same ($1100) since i saw that Micro Center has the MBP 13 for $200 off. Narrowed it down to these two since i NEED a backlit keyboard. I'll be using it for web surfing, and MS Office. Dont play much games (except for online poker sometimes) Mac Pros; great display, great backlit keyboard, LOVE the solid sturdy design of the body and the keyboard Mac Cons; VERY pricey for what u get (15" mac with the envy's specs costs more than double!!! which is why im considering the 13" for almost the same amount of money), less than adequate power? (but then again, do i NEED an i5 cpu for web surfing?) Envy Pros; LOTS of power/features for the money, best build quality of any PC laptop ive seen (though still not as good as apple) Envy Cons; display not as good as on the mac (i like the flush glass design on the Envy, but the macs resolution just looks better to me), battery life not as good as the macs, build quality is ok but not as good as the macs (has some keyboard flex whereas the macs have none) so which should i choose??? wish i could afford the MBP 15, regardless which i get, hopefully i'll be selling it and getting a MBP 15 in 8-12 months. thanks for any advice and happy holidays to all!!!