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Your use of Affinity Photo seems to be the big question. The 8/256 machine will handle the rest without breaking a sweat (and very likely everything you are asking of the machine). What are you currently editing with? How much RAM does it have? Are you running into slowdowns in your workflow due to excessive swap? Are these slowdowns long enough that it truly detracts from your work, or are you simply experiencing longer times producing your final product?

8GB is the recommended configuration for Affinity Photo.
 
hey @marcusalwayswins, you may recall the tests I shared of Affinity Photo running on my base M1 Mini last November, https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ed-for-my-kind-of-usage.2367935/post-31706947

The base M1 8GB/256GB Mini flew through 4K exports in Final Cut Pro and Lightroom with 10-20 tabs open in Safari and Chrome. The issue was Affinity Photo, and still so on my 16GB M1 MBA. Admittedly I am not all that familiar with Affinity Photo but went ahead and purchased their bundle deal when they released version 2.0. It depends what your workflow is like for Affinity Photo. I naively started using Affinity Photo like I do Lightroom, loading hundreds of RAW at a time and that was a huge mistake! Affinity Photo isn't really geared for DAM (digital asset management) like Lightroom catalog. Each 25MB RAW from my Sony RX10m4 consumed 1.5-2.0 GB(!) when loaded into Affinity Photo. So if you plan to work with 1-2 RAWs at a time then 8GB RAM is fine. Upgrading to 16GB, for Affinity Photo, just means you can have maybe 4-6 RAWs open at a time. I made the mistake of trying to use Affinity Photo like Lightroom. Once I understood the difference in workflows, and stopped trying to sort vacation photos in Affinity Photo, my frustrations ended. RAM wasn't so much the deciding factor but rather "user error" on my part with Affinity Photo.

Outside of Affinity Photo, all other applications just flew whether on my 8GB M1 Mini or 16GB M1 MBA. If you have a strict budget and can only upgrade RAM or storage, I would still choose the RAM. As others have pointed out, you can always add very fast (and cheaper) external storage later with Thunderbolt. Wish you the best outcome with your decision.
 
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I’m trying to decide between the m2 16/512 & m2 pro 16/512 for $300 more

I’ll be using for daily computer stuff , Plex server & the occasional handbrake movie convert

I already have the regular m2 coming so I’ll have to return it

Edit: I’m returning m2 & getting the pro
 
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Your use of Affinity Photo seems to be the big question. The 8/256 machine will handle the rest without breaking a sweat (and very likely everything you are asking of the machine). What are you currently editing with? How much RAM does it have? Are you running into slowdowns in your workflow due to excessive swap? Are these slowdowns long enough that it truly detracts from your work, or are you simply experiencing longer times producing your final product?
Oh Yes, right now I am using a Windows 7 Computer with only 4 GB of RAM though Affinity Photo works on this, Every Key Stroke every press of a key or any action, takes 2 sec or so to register and initiate action. So right now the Hardware I am using is no comparison on what I am planning to buy.

ask yourself "Will my use of RAM+swap space fit into 16GB when I ask the most from my machine?"
I cant answer that ? Because I didnt quite understand what your question is ? But yes, RAM will suffice with 16GB 2565 GB of SSD I am not sure maybe, May not be.

"Can I fit all I need plus the swap space I need in 256GB of storage?" If the answer to the second question is NO, then you will need to prioritize storage over RAM for your usage. Yes you may write lots to the storage, but that is the compromise you need with your budget. If the answer to the first question is NO, but the second YES, then prioritize the RAM over storage to minimize the abuse.

Again didn't understand this Part clearly.
 
So if you plan to work with 1-2 RAWs at a time then 8GB RAM is fine. Upgrading to 16GB, for Affinity Photo, just means you can have maybe 4-6 RAWs open at a time.

Oh that would be maximum at any given point of time. Not more than 4-5 RAW images at a time.
 
Was hoping someone could advice.

I'm almost settled on the M2 over the M2 Pro but the only thing I'm not sure about is the 4 Thunderbolt ports. I'll be using this as a media server and expect (over time) to be connecting multiple external drives. Do I really need the 4 Thunderbolt ports or can a cheap hub solve that issue and let multiple eternal drives use a single port?
 
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Was hoping someone could advice.

I'm almost settled on the M2 over the M2 Pro but the only thing I'm not sure about is the 4 Thunderbolt ports. I'll be using this as a media server and expect (over time) to be connecting multiple external drives. Do I really need the 4 Thunderbolt ports or can a cheap hub solve that issue and let multiple eternal drives use a single port?

Bad Manners. Please do not Hijack My Thread start your own !!
 
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Was hoping someone could advice.

I'm almost settled on the M2 over the M2 Pro but the only thing I'm not sure about is the 4 Thunderbolt ports. I'll be using this as a media server and expect (over time) to be connecting multiple external drives. Do I really need the 4 Thunderbolt ports or can a cheap hub solve that issue and let multiple eternal drives use a single port?
I am shocked how expensive Thunderbolt versions of peripherals are, albeit a hub is still cheaper than the bump to the M2 Pro.

I still went with the M2 Pro for the added power, HDMI 2.1 support, and additional ports. Aside from multiple external drives, I also look forward to charging some other devices off the M2 Pro's Thunderbolt ports and lessening the clutter of power adapters on my desk.
 
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True. But doesn’t sound like he has money to invest in a fast external SSD drive and up the RAM to 16 GB.
I respect working within the confines of a budget. I agree that 256GB (and even 512GB) can be limiting, but he can save up for an external SSD down the road rather than save up for a whole new Mac with more RAM. For his photo editing needs, upgrading the RAM is a sound decision for now and the longterm. More storage to come later when funds allow it.
 

8GB is the recommended configuration for Affinity Photo.
Suuure. Just like Adobe Photoshop's minimum requirement is 8GB, but recommended for any serious comp work is (as always) 16GB.

The OP's usage case is heavy duty Affinity Photo work. The simple answer is "16GB" for any graphics work.

I respect working within the confines of a budget. I agree that 256GB (and even 512GB) can be limiting, but he can save up for an external SSD down the road rather than save up for a whole new Mac with more RAM. For his photo editing needs, upgrading the RAM is a sound decision for now and the longterm.
Agreed! Get the RAM now, get an inexpensive external drive for files backup.
 
Suuure. Just like Adobe Photoshop's minimum requirement is 8GB, but recommended for any serious comp work is (as always) 16GB.

The OP's usage case is heavy duty Affinity Photo work. The simple answer is "16GB" for any graphics work.


Agreed! Get the RAM now, get an inexpensive external drive for files backup.
I didn’t catch or get the idea of ‘heavy duty’, nor any pro level work. In fact I thought this was the poster with the 4gb Windows pc, I suspect the 16gb setup will certainly be better, but don’t believe it will be next level earth shattering, vs the 8gb machine. Sure, it’s only $180 (edu), and if I had to buy one thing, I agree with you, I would get the ram, but sometimes money is tight.

I think we should all remember plenty of people still edit in 1080p, still use under 100 plugins in their audio app, and don’t need to have a 4K video playing in the background while serving 5 Plex users (all transcoding 4K HDR!), while also standing on the head of a pin. Sometimes they just need a good computer. The 8gb mini is exactly that.
 
Oh Yes, right now I am using a Windows 7 Computer with only 4 GB of RAM though Affinity Photo works on this, Every Key Stroke every press of a key or any action, takes 2 sec or so to register and initiate action. So right now the Hardware I am using is no comparison on what I am planning to buy.


I cant answer that ? Because I didnt quite understand what your question is ? But yes, RAM will suffice with 16GB 2565 GB of SSD I am not sure maybe, May not be.



Again didn't understand this Part clearly.
Thanks for the extra info. Clearly, you are in a tough spot coming from a machine with only 4GB of ram. The way Windows reports ram usage in Task Manager is completely different than how it is presented in the MacOS Activity Monitor making my questions tough to make sense of on a Windows machine. It's been so long since I've used Windows on a regular basis and monitored resource usage that I do not recall how to interpret the data in Task Manager.

When a Mac runs out of space to use in ram, it will write some of the ram contents to storage and use it as 'virtual memory' that can be moved into and out of ram as needed Activity Monitor will report how much space is taken up by that ram swap file. You can then add your physical ram and virtual ram numbers together to get an idea of how much ram you need to prevent swapping. (In that context, I think my questions will make a lot more sense.) 16GB of ram will keep you from swapping too much based on the input from the other Affinity user.

I would recommend the 16GB ram and 256 GB ssd configuration, but recommend saving up for an external drive, even if it is an HDD. You can use the external storage as a place to put files that are not actively being worked on to be able to keep the internal ssd as free as possible. You can work by moving the photos you are actively working on onto the internal ssd and move completed projects to the external.
 
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Was hoping someone could advice.

I'm almost settled on the M2 over the M2 Pro but the only thing I'm not sure about is the 4 Thunderbolt ports. I'll be using this as a media server and expect (over time) to be connecting multiple external drives. Do I really need the 4 Thunderbolt ports or can a cheap hub solve that issue and let multiple eternal drives use a single port?
My media server solutions are Plex servers. I take advantage of dirt cheap & lightning fast Intel QuickSync hardware + PlexPass to use hardware encoding in all modern Intel CPUs; I spend $200 or so on a cheap Intel box, add a few hard drives, and I’m off to the races. I can’t imagine tying up a Mac with such things.

If you were tied to a Mac for that, though, one way is via NAS. Put all your media on a Synology box, share out the media, and you can manage it and control access to it via the Mac. (Or a PC, too.)
 
True. But doesn’t sound like he has money to invest in a fast external SSD drive and up the RAM to 16 GB.
With the M2 MacBook Air unless you’re hitting it hard not especially. Bu assuming that holds for the Mac mini also I’m sure you’d be fine. But if you did want to spend money on an upgrade I’d double the storage to 512 to speed up drive access.
Indeed. Tests show the M2 SSD of the base model are “slow” compared to M1 models with 512GB
 
Indeed. Tests show the M2 SSD of the base model are “slow” compared to M1 models with 512GB
But is he still comparing the 16GB model (with 512GB) and the 8GB model (with 256GB)? On one of the slides he does exactly that; on the next slide with numbers, the RAM amount is omitted, leaving only the storage. At best, it’s unclear. He also lays the blame for the speed (slowness of the 8/256 solution) on disk, when it could well be RAM (because in the first slide, he’s comparing against 16/512). That and I freely admit I don’t want to burn 10 minutes listening to the thing; I admit I was clicking around a bit forward and back.

This is why I really don’t like YouTube clickbait kids. Give me a TH/AT review any day, with written details.
 
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Hi Guys,

An absolute first timer trying to Purchase a Mac ever in my Life. And I am literally tearing my hair apart thinking which configuration to buy as I am mighty confused.

So I am Planning to buy the newly released M2 Mac Mini and I have one question to ask you guys, almost everyone has been telling me that even if someone is a budget buyer it is always advisable to buy atleast 16GB of RAM and 512 GB of SSD because of the 2 NAND Chip in the 512 GB SSD vs 1 in 256GB SSD. As the extra 512 GB SSD which has the 2 NAND Chip makes the exchange of Data between the SSD and RAM faster and hence the net result is a faster working computer.

My question to you guys is now when I am just about thinking to buy a M2 Mac Mini I can only afford to buy 16GB of RAM and 256GB of SSD because someone is sponsoring my purchase and I can't really further ask him to bear the cost of the additional SSD of going from 256GB to 512 GB SSD

I am mostly a Mid Level Power user meaning occasionally video editing (Just occasionally that too not professional level I am not a YouTuber) but yes I am a Affinity Photo Power User. But other wise just normal web browsing, using emails and watching YouTube and movies. But yes, I do want to future prof myself against all the Future MAC OS that might be coming out at least for another 4 Years. So do you guys really think I should be buying the 512 GB SSD because of faster data transfer and exchange between the RAM and SSD because of the 512 GB SDD. Do you guys think for a mId level Power user like me would it make any difference. ? Will the 16GB of RAM and 256GB SSD will it not suffice my kind of user needs.

Before you tell me that go for the Base Level Mac Mini that should also work in your case LIke I said, I could have also gone for the base level Mac Mini but I want to future proof my purchase against future Software OS Updates that Apple may release for Mac OS and hence my decision from 8GB RAM to 16GB RAM what do you guys feel will I be ok with 16GB RAM and 256 GB SSD ? Or will the extra 512 GB SSD that will indeed make a noticable difference

Can you please tell me?

TIA !
If the speed difference between single-NAND and dual-NAND actually makes a difference in your workflow, then you’re probably lying. Get the RAM, leave the SSD.
 
But is he still comparing the 16GB model (with 512GB) and the 8GB model (with 256GB)? On one of the slides he does exactly that; on the next slide with numbers, the RAM amount is omitted, leaving only the storage. At best, it’s unclear. He also lays the blame for the speed (slowness of the 8/256 solution) on disk, when it could well be RAM (because in the first slide, he’s comparing against 16/512). That and I freely admit I don’t want to burn 10 minutes listening to the thing; I admit I was clicking around a bit forward and back.

This is why I really don’t like YouTube clickbait kids. Give me a TH/AT review any day, with written details.
The YouTube video shows the base model 8GB/256 Blackmagic benchmarks. At home I have a 8G M1 with the 512SSD, which has a score of about 2800 compared to 1400 of the base M2.
 
The YouTube video shows the base model 8GB/256 Blackmagic benchmarks. At home I have a 8G M1 with the 512SSD, which has a score of about 2800 compared to 1400 of the base M2.
But the entire point here is we're not interested in Blackmagic numbers; we're interested in real world details of what actually happens with said SSD performance in Apple apps.

At that, do we still lack objective data on the differences?
 
Hi Guys,

An absolute first timer trying to Purchase a Mac ever in my Life. And I am literally tearing my hair apart thinking which configuration to buy as I am mighty confused.

So I am Planning to buy the newly released M2 Mac Mini and I have one question to ask you guys, almost everyone has been telling me that even if someone is a budget buyer it is always advisable to buy atleast 16GB of RAM and 512 GB of SSD because of the 2 NAND Chip in the 512 GB SSD vs 1 in 256GB SSD. As the extra 512 GB SSD which has the 2 NAND Chip makes the exchange of Data between the SSD and RAM faster and hence the net result is a faster working computer.

My question to you guys is now when I am just about thinking to buy a M2 Mac Mini I can only afford to buy 16GB of RAM and 256GB of SSD because someone is sponsoring my purchase and I can't really further ask him to bear the cost of the additional SSD of going from 256GB to 512 GB SSD

I am mostly a Mid Level Power user meaning occasionally video editing (Just occasionally that too not professional level I am not a YouTuber) but yes I am a Affinity Photo Power User. But other wise just normal web browsing, using emails and watching YouTube and movies. But yes, I do want to future prof myself against all the Future MAC OS that might be coming out at least for another 4 Years. So do you guys really think I should be buying the 512 GB SSD because of faster data transfer and exchange between the RAM and SSD because of the 512 GB SDD. Do you guys think for a mId level Power user like me would it make any difference. ? Will the 16GB of RAM and 256GB SSD will it not suffice my kind of user needs.

Before you tell me that go for the Base Level Mac Mini that should also work in your case LIke I said, I could have also gone for the base level Mac Mini but I want to future proof my purchase against future Software OS Updates that Apple may release for Mac OS and hence my decision from 8GB RAM to 16GB RAM what do you guys feel will I be ok with 16GB RAM and 256 GB SSD ? Or will the extra 512 GB SSD that will indeed make a noticable difference

Can you please tell me?

TIA !
That spec will be fine, the 8GB of ram is only limiting if you are running Adobe in design with large projects but that is mostly an issue on the iMac 24” rather than the mini. Get a decent monitor with a resolution of 1080p or 1440p and you will be fine. The disk speed will likely never be an issue for you, is it slower than the 512GB setup? Yes, will you notice? Unlikely as it’s faster than any mechanical disk and SATA SSD. If you have worries about its future capacity? Add a USB C external nvme enclosure with a 256/512/1tb stick which you can afford. These can be picked up fairly cheaply (especially in Amazon sale days) and you can offload all of your files etc to it to maintain space on the internal storage.
 
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