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Uuuuugggghhhh What could possible require a hardware update? It already runs a quad core CPU... I'm NOT happy about that

h.264 decoding chip? Number of cores means nothing on its own anyway
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We were told that too - as long as it had sync 3. 2016 Flex from March 2016

If Ford doesn't offer this as promised, I'll be done with them. I gave them another chance after 17 years of no Fords, but will not do so again if they pull this. I know Ford doesn't care about individual customers, but the individual customers add up which is why GM, Ford and Chrysler got their clocks cleaned by the likes of Toyota, Honda, Nissan, BMW, and MB etc.

We're about to replace our Lexus RX - looks like a GLS-450 from Mercedes and no Explorer.

The nice thing is I just got one of those surveys about the new car and it will reflect what Ford does here.

Don't overlook the Volvo XC-90, and a 2018 XC-60 is coming I believe. The Lexus didn't even have CarPlay and "has no plans to include" it in the future.
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Anyone know if this is a Bluetooth connection, or is a USB hardwire still required for CarPlay?

First of all, if/when CarPlay uses wireless, it won't be Bluetooth. Bluetooth can't even support uncompressed streaming audio, let alone alongside video. Whatever the wireless solution is, it's probably AirPlay over the wi-fi radio.
 
For those folks with a vehicle that doesn't have CarPlay from the factory it's a damn shame Apple don't have an app or iTunes conversion so that any iPhone or iPad (such as your previous model after an upgrade) can simply be converted into a CarPlay device and kept in your car. It clearly isn't rocket science since those with jailbroken phones can do this now with CarPlay Activator, free via Cydia.

I don't want to jailbreak any old iPhones or iPads but I'd love an official version of the equivalent of CarPlay Activator. The only alternative is buying a third party head from the likes of Pioneer and they are expensive and I have several iPads and iPhones not in use lying around and a Jeep with no CarPlay. CarPlay OS runs fine on an iDevice. Come on Apple make it available!

 
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After using CarPlay on a couple of rental cars over the past couple of weeks I'm not impressed.

It's a very poor system and it also takes away a lot of functionality from the native car systems. You're also locked to the absolutely terrible Apple Maps which gives the most dreadful routes, and very often, Spotify or TuneIn refuse to work resulting in the need to disconnect and reconnect the USB cable.

Messages are also a chore as Siri sucks when there is any cabin noise in the car.

However most importantly, touch screen interfaces suck in cars. They are insanely dangerous when travelling at speed as they require you to change your driving posture and lean forward, removing a lot of control from the steering wheel.

Apple must do the following to make it a good option:
  • FULL integration with the car
    • Car computer (MPG, avg speed, etc...)
    • Basic items where they are not visible on the dash such as outside temperature.
    • Set-up of car systems.
    • Service information
  • Ability to use another GPS program such as Google Maps or Sygic, etc....
  • Improve Siri when there is a lot of ambient noise
  • Allow integration with physical dials.
One user noted how the BMW iDrive system was useless, but of all the systems I've used, this is the absolute best once you get used to the iDrive interface knob. I can control my system in seconds and dial numbers safely without looking away from my screen.

The interface is also miles better and more flexible than CarPlay too and I find it much safer to use.

Perhaps a personal view but every person I let try out the CarPlay in my two rental cars thought it was a pile of crap.

Well, I haven't used Carplay for a day or two in a rental car, but I have used it every day for the last year and a half in my personal car, and I find it to be fabulous. Siri works great for me at highways speeds, with the A/C running on full tilt. I can reach my touch screen without moving more than an inch or two by just picking my hand up off the shifter. Apple Maps works perfectly for me.

Tomato-Tomahto...
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..I believe a limited number of early 2016 models were offered with SYNC Gen 2 and not SYNC 3. This should have been explained to you when purchased the vehicle...


The problem with that theory is that most salespeople don't know what the Hell they're talking about when it comes to the tech in the car. You ask them if a car is CarPlay compatible and they'll either look at you with a deer in the headlights look, or say yes, when they mean the car has a USB port for piping sound into the head unit.
 
My only regret about the 2016 Fusion I bought a few months ago is that it has the SYNC 2 with MFT system. Really not impressed with it, though I did like the discounts/rebates that were offered to make room for the 2017s.
 
If you do indeed have a SYNC 3 system and Ford tells you that you still require some hardware upgrade then please update the thread ASAP.


Thanks!

There is a Ford tech note somewhere mentioning that a hardware upgrade will be necessary. When I was shopping the 2016 Edge, I had them look into it. I am told it's approximately $100ish and is the USB module only.
 
If you think those companies care about the consumer I have a bridge to sell you. Ask the millions with bum Honda transmissions, V6's with junk VCM systems, and the other stuff Honda loves to sweep under the rug. Or the Toyota owners that had slugged up engines even though they followed the owner's manual to the T. Or Nissan owners who have had their catalytic converters disintegrate and be sucked back into the engine ruining them.

The "premium" brands only care enough because you pay a lot for them and even then they tend to not care too much once the warranty is done.

That being said, if you have Sync 3 (the QNX one, not the MS one), the upgrade should be simple as I seriously doubt that they made running changes after 6-9 months of production. The only "missing hardware" may be the cellular modem that allows you to start your car, lock, unlock, etc from your cell phone but I doubt that is a requirement for CarPlay.

Don't hold back on your US Bias. ;)

BTW, virtually every Honda and Toyota automobile sold in the US is made in the US with a large percentage of US parts content. Bum Transmissions? Do we really want to get into the DCT 6 Speed POS in Fords?

Yes, the older gen Toyota 3.5L V6 had an issue. We could also debate all day over the 2004-2010 trucks that came equipped with 5.4L, 3-valve engines not meeting the projected lifespan by close to 40%.

Everyone has bad days. :rolleyes:
 
I would love to hear how you think that somehow a vacuum can be created in a car exhaust system
Nissan recalled 2.5L Altimas for just this reason:

http://forums.nicoclub.com/2-5l-recall-information-t31293.html

In addition, for 2002-2003 model year Altimas and 2002-2004
model year Sentras, there is a possibility that certain engine operating conditions may
cause damage to the pre-catalyst. Material from inside a damaged pre-catalyst could enter
the engine and result in increased oil consumption. If the engine oil level is not checked on
a periodic basis and drops below the low level, and the driver continues to operate the
vehicle ignoring noticeable engine noise, engine damage may occur which could result in a
fire.

Basically new engines do away with the EGR valve and use the valve timing to allow the exhaust gasses back into the engine (what EGR is). When the catalyst breaks up in the pipe it can get pulled back into the engine as part of this EGR process.

Hint: Try not to be so smug when you know little about a subject.
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BTW, virtually every Honda and Toyota automobile sold in the US is made in the US with a large percentage of US parts content. Bum Transmissions? Do we really want to get into the DCT 6 Speed POS in Fords?

Yes, the older gen Toyota 3.5L V6 had an issue. We could also debate all day over the 2004-2010 trucks that came equipped with 5.4L, 3-valve engines not meeting the projected lifespan by close to 40%.

Everyone has bad days. :rolleyes:

You are forgetting the millions of 5 speed Honda autos that are utter garbage and that Honda had to be drug kicking and screaming into recalling....

Sure the DCT is a POS. Ford needs to ditch that design like yesterday. And sure, I know all about plug spitting Fords....
 
I get it, but car user software tends to be rubbish compared to what we are used to on our iPhones.

That's so true. Even the most recent versions of Ford's Sync feel like software from the early 2000s, both in terms of GUI and speed. It's getting better, but so slowly.

My 2015 Lincoln MKZ has MyLincoln Touch (predecessor to Sync 3), and it's not the greatest. The recent software update to add Siri Eyes Free was a big improvement since I can now interact directly with the phone (adding reminders, answering texts, checking my calendar, changing music or podcasts, etc. all by voice). The Lincoln interior is so quiet, I've had very few misinterpretations by Siri. By the time I get my next Lincoln in 2019 or so, hopefully all the inevitable CarPlay bugs will be ironed out.
 
Sooo... I have a 2016 Mustang with Sync 3 and would love to know when a CarPlay update is available for that as they promised...

Buying a non-Tesla car is the same as buying a non-Apple phone - there's little chance you'll be getting a software update at all, and none that it'll be in a timely fashion.

I'll have my Model 3 before you have CarPlay.
 
Hopefully the 2017 Edge in the UK will also have Sync 3 as I'm in the market for a new car and want CarPlay which seems to be on zero models here :(
 
After using CarPlay on a couple of rental cars over the past couple of weeks I'm not impressed.

It's a very poor system and it also takes away a lot of functionality from the native car systems. You're also locked to the absolutely terrible Apple Maps which gives the most dreadful routes, and very often, Spotify or TuneIn refuse to work resulting in the need to disconnect and reconnect the USB cable.

Messages are also a chore as Siri sucks when there is any cabin noise in the car.

However most importantly, touch screen interfaces suck in cars. They are insanely dangerous when travelling at speed as they require you to change your driving posture and lean forward, removing a lot of control from the steering wheel.

Apple must do the following to make it a good option:
  • FULL integration with the car
    • Car computer (MPG, avg speed, etc...)
    • Basic items where they are not visible on the dash such as outside temperature.
    • Set-up of car systems.
    • Service information
  • Ability to use another GPS program such as Google Maps or Sygic, etc....
  • Improve Siri when there is a lot of ambient noise
  • Allow integration with physical dials.
One user noted how the BMW iDrive system was useless, but of all the systems I've used, this is the absolute best once you get used to the iDrive interface knob. I can control my system in seconds and dial numbers safely without looking away from my screen.

The interface is also miles better and more flexible than CarPlay too and I find it much safer to use.

Perhaps a personal view but every person I let try out the CarPlay in my two rental cars thought it was a pile of crap.

My car was in the shop for a couple of weeks getting some hail damaged fixed. The rental had CarPlay. I was excited to use it, as I've been mostly disappointed with the stock GPS system that comes in most cars. I have an Acura which has absolutely the worst GPS voice activation system in the world. (It's a running joke on Acura forums).

But I agree with all of your points. Apple Maps is still inferior to other products. It's especially poor at real time route mapping. Google Maps will always find the quicker routes based on current traffic. I'd load up Apple Maps and many times it would pick the slower route.

I also agree with the touchscreen interface. You have to reach out of a normal position to access menus. This is especially troubling since any interface will take you out of what you were doing. If you have Siri read messages, it won't default back to the Maps screen - it will just stay on messages.

I love the overall concept. Replacing most poorly implemented displays/GPS with your phone is definitely the wave of the future. It was an overpriced feature designed to pad profitability. It was similar to the $1500 video entertainment systems that were obsolete once people got tablets.

I would love to see Apple open it up to use third party programs beyond Pandora. But I understand why they don't want to do that....
 
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Are you sure you have SYNC 3 and not SYNC 2 -- or "SYNC with My Ford Touch" ? Check your version of software on your car system. If it shows 3.8.x then it's a Gen 2 SYNC.

Here's the Wikipedia Link to SYNC 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyFord_Touch

I believe a limited number of early 2016 models were offered with SYNC Gen 2 and not SYNC 3. This should have been explained to you when purchased the vehicle. :)

If you do indeed have a SYNC 3 system and Ford tells you that you still require some hardware upgrade then please update the thread ASAP.


Thanks!

Yes. SYNC3 on 2016 vehicles requires a hardware upgrade for CarPlay but not for Android Auto.

https://owner.ford.com/how-tos/sync...support.html?year=2016&model=Focus&sync=sync3

https://owner.ford.com/how-tos/sync...id-auto.html?year=2016&model=Focus&sync=sync3
 
Man alive, that Ford looks like one ugly tank! Does it do corners? I'm not surprised they spent 90% of the advert on the interior shots!

I used CarPlay for the first time this weekend in a rental car, which came as a nice surprise. Worked well. Very underwhelming, but then I think that's the intention, given it's not supposed to be a distraction. It was also the first time I've used Apple Maps in many years, given Google Maps doesn't work via CarPlay. I have to say, it didn't do a bad job, although it was a fairly simple route between two European cities.

Being able to play Spotify though the car speakers in the highest quality setting was fantastic! I'd have liked to have had the track names pop up, but that's really my only negative. I'm running iOS10, so maybe that's still not there yet.
 
My car was in the shop for a couple of weeks getting some hail damaged fixed. The rental had CarPlay. I was excited to use it, as I've been mostly disappointed with the stock GPS system that comes in most cars. I have an Acura which has absolutely the worst GPS voice activation system in the world. (It's a running joke on Acura forums).

But I agree with all of your points. Apple Maps is still inferior to other products. It's especially poor at real time route mapping. Google Maps will always find the quicker routes based on current traffic. I'd load up Apple Maps and many times it would pick the slower route.

I also agree with the touchscreen interface. You have to reach out of a normal position to access menus. This is especially troubling since any interface will take you out of what you were doing. If you have Siri read messages, it won't default back to the Maps screen - it will just stay on messages.

I love the overall concept. Replacing most poorly implemented displays/GPS with your phone is definitely the wave of the future. It was an overpriced feature designed to pad profitability. It was similar to the $1500 video entertainment systems that were obsolete once people got tablets.

I would love to see Apple open it up to use third party programs beyond Pandora. But I understand why they don't want to do that....
I just picked up a new VW which has CarPlay. For the most part, I agree with the comments quoted above. I bought the car for other reasons, but was excited to see CarPlay included. Nice bonus. In operation, at this point, I give it a solid 'meh'. It is not nearly as transformative as I thought it would be. Particular gripes are that (for my VW), the phone must be connected through the USB. In doing so, no other phone may be connected through Blue Tooth. This is a problem in that the phone is now part of the car and you can only use the CarPlay apps on the MFD. Waze is not part of that suite and I cannot simultaneously run it on the phone as it is locked out. So basically, you are in a super-duper walled garden curated by Apple. If you have other apps for music, travel, GPS, what-have-you, you are SOL. Like Apple TV, I'd say that they need to open up a developer's kit to let others access this platform. However, given the potential liability and causes for distracted driving from poorly designed apps, I can understand (and I appreciate it) why that may never happen. I think the posters above covered my other observations. Perhaps I just got my workflow so well sorted out using the Blue Tooth interfaces of previous cars that CarPlay is too little too late to make me a solid convert, so far. But I'll keep with it. Maybe at some point the lights will go off and I'll 'get it'. OTOH, I just might get my steelie ball mount move to this new car and just keep on with the VW BlueTooth/media method of doing things. We'll see.
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Anyone know if this is a Bluetooth connection, or is a USB hardwire still required for CarPlay?
On my VW, it must be hooked through the USB. You cannot have a simultaneous Blue Tooth and Car Play connection, in my case, it is one or the other.
 
I hear people criticizing cars in general, but I still think they are amazing.

When I get in my car in the middle of a scorching summer day, when the sun has been shining directly onto the dash/electronic controls/screen for the past x hours and they are so hot they would burn your hands almost to touch them, or in the middle of winter, when it's below zero and almost frozen, you put they key in the ignition and all all just works, screen powers up, everything.

Think of an Apple product in the sun, gives up working.
Think it's amazing how cars and their equipment are so well made and designed to keep working no matter what is thrown at them.
If you carried around a phone as large as your in dash receiver it wouldn't overheat as easily. It also wouldn't fit in your pocket. Smaller components are going to have more heat concentrated into one area.

Cars are great, but the issue is that car manufacturers know they can get away with the tiniest incremental upgrades every year, especially when it comes to entertainment options.
 
h.264 decoding chip? Number of cores means nothing on its own anyway
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Don't overlook the Volvo XC-90, and a 2018 XC-60 is coming I believe. The Lexus didn't even have CarPlay and "has no plans to include" it in the future.

I did look at that and am very worried about their reliability. I had 3 Volvo's after the Ford. Two were great. The last one of them I had was the S80 when it came out (and my wife did too when we met) (right when Ford bought them). It turned out both of ours were in the shop about once a month. No more Volvo's for me after two strikes. Our 3 Mercedes after the Volvos were great as was the Lexus. (Ditto the Honda Accord).

If, as was suggested above, the upgrade may only be $125, that is not bad, but if Ford nickels and dimes us on a 55k car, I will take note.
 
We were told that too - as long as it had sync 3. 2016 Flex from March 2016

If Ford doesn't offer this as promised, I'll be done with them. I gave them another chance after 17 years of no Fords, but will not do so again if they pull this. I know Ford doesn't care about individual customers, but the individual customers add up which is why GM, Ford and Chrysler got their clocks cleaned by the likes of Toyota, Honda, Nissan, BMW, and MB etc.

We're about to replace our Lexus RX - looks like a GLS-450 from Mercedes and no Explorer.

The nice thing is I just got one of those surveys about the new car and it will reflect what Ford does here.

Don't have time to look up exact numbers, but I'm pretty sure GM and Ford sell more vehicles than Nissan, BMW, and MB combined. Probably Mazda as well. And IDK why you are cross shopping a $70,000 Mercedes with a Ford Explorer.
 
I didn't buy my escape with sync 3 for carplay, but everything I read back then mentioned didn't say we'd need hardware upgrades. It was icing on the cake. This upgrade thing is annoying, but I figured they must have underestimated what specs they'd need for this.

I've reached out to someone I know who works at a dealership for details. I'll post what I hear back.

Anyone know if this is a Bluetooth connection, or is a USB hardwire still required for CarPlay?

USB from what I read in a link above. I jest but we'll probably need a bluetooth upgrade in a year or two when wireless comes out. :p
 
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Is Carplay still limited to a wired USB connection? May not be a big issue on longer trips, but I don't see myself constantly plugging/unplugging my phone in normal daily driving. Bluetooth works great in my current car.
 
Are you sure you have SYNC 3 and not SYNC 2 -- or "SYNC with My Ford Touch" ? Check your version of software on your car system. If it shows 3.8.x then it's a Gen 2 SYNC.

Here's the Wikipedia Link to SYNC 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyFord_Touch

I believe a limited number of early 2016 models were offered with SYNC Gen 2 and not SYNC 3. This should have been explained to you when purchased the vehicle. :)

If you do indeed have a SYNC 3 system and Ford tells you that you still require some hardware upgrade then please update the thread ASAP.


Thanks!

Yes I am positive I have sync 3. When I bought the car I made sure I had Sync 3 and made sure the salesman verified it would be an over the air update. I then got notice that it would require an update AND a hardware update. If you log the my ford touch sync website and choose your car and check it for Apple Car Play it states it clearly.

This is direct copy and paste from the website: "Note: Apple CarPlay is available on 2017 model year Ford vehicles with compatible SYNC 3. Owners of 2016 model year Ford vehicles with SYNC 3 are required to perform a software upgrade and purchase a hardware upgrade to use Apple CarPlay. Please check back on the Ford Owner site this summer for more information about these upgrades."
 

Okay thanks for the information. This is interesting. I'll try to find out what the deal is... If it's the USB module then it shouldn't matter as Apple iPhones don't support USB 3.0. It could be some kind of encryption/authentication module but that's just a guess.
 
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