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I just hope it has live and on demand broadcast networks. That was the main thing lacking with Sling. Most of what I watch is broadcast series and Comedy Central, so Hulu does that for me. It was nice having AMC and the ESPN channels, but TWD is over and ESPN won't be much help until football season.
 
The ESPN app requires a cable TV subscription to watch anything live.

I was responding to the fact that live sports are CURRENTLY on Apple TV, so I don't see a restriction in the future.

The NHL app doesn't require a cable TV subscription, and it shows live hockey.
 
Apple TV already does live sports (NHL, ESPN) so why wouldn't it?

Yes and no. I cannot currently watch my local sports teams on anything other than my TV connected to a cable box. Everything else gets blacked out.
 
$40 for Apple TV service + $75 for FIOS (internet only) + $8 for netflix (or hulu, etc) + $15 for HBO Go = about $140/month

How is this saving anyone money? You can get the triple play for about the same price and it includes a DVR, telephone, 1000+ channels and internet.
 
Unless these broadcast stations offer something compelling like HBO's full library on demand, I don't see the point of their being in a subscription. They are free elsewhere and you still have to put up with 15-20 mins of ads per hour.

I agree that most of the cable channels are crap so honing them down to a really good offering would be welcome. Here's some of my list and I want everything in HD. If they deliver a 4K Apple TV I will worship Tim Cook.

Food TV
Cooking
Travel
DIY
AMC
TNT
FX
El Rey
Discovery
Chiller
SyFy
Bravo
BBC
TLC
Spike
TV Land
TLC
Comedy Central

These would make the price more palatable:

Starz (for EVIL DEAD SERIES COMING)
Encore

Hell that's pretty much all I watch and its a whole 21 channels.
I could care less about sports channels.
 
$40 for Apple TV service + $75 for FIOS (internet only) + $8 for netflix (or hulu, etc) + $15 for HBO Go = about $140/month

How is this saving anyone money? You can get the triple play for about the same price and it includes a DVR, telephone, 1000+ channels and internet.

What cable company do you use ?

To get that on Comcast it would be around $200 and Comcast ( in my area ) doesn't offer FIOS AND after the initial special deal they start charging more and more and more.
 
The age of the 200 channel bundle might be dying (not sure); but the age of the fiscally conscious consumer is not. Many people would have a hard time swallowing $30 to $40 a month for 25 channels *unless* they get to pick their own 25 channels from a lineup of 100+ channels and swap some of them out for other channels in the lineup every so often.

My family probably only watches 20 channels yet in order to get all of those channels, we have to buy a bundle that includes 100 channels that we don't ever watch. If we could buy just the 20 channels that we watch regularly and have five or so "slots" open to rotate additional channels in and out if there's an interesting series showing or something like that, I would give Apple $30 to $40 per month in a heartbeat if we're also able to get on demand content for each of the channels and stream both live and on demand content to our iPad, iPhones, and Macs with Family Sharing.
 
Yes and no. I cannot currently watch my local sports teams on anything other than my TV connected to a cable box. Everything else gets blacked out.

You're right - I don't get it.

If the NHL Center Ice package included JUST my local team, I'd buy it. But, instead, it includes the 29 other teams. Therefore, the NHL is not getting my money. It's really strange. Don't they want to serve the cord cutters? Must be some lingering contracts with cable companies, that once these expire, they can do this.
 
Will the old networks do live sports for a price? Bet they will. They hate cable with the heat of a thousand suns. I'd advocate that the old networks build out digital on-air channels (paid for by advertising) locally, encouraging the cable jerks to go back to their old role: making sure you get clean pictures on all those live antenna channels, and carrying fast, cheap Internet so you can subscribe to the pay programming you want, or buy a la carte. Which will mean direct money to actual content producers.

Unfortunately, in the real word cable companies own the content. Comcast owns NBC, Universal, E!, and many other properties. Time Warner owns HBO, Turner Broadcasting (TBS, TNT, Cartoon Network, etc.), the CW Network, Adult Swim, and many others. I won't list the others, but you get my point. There is no separating cable from content. If you want content, you will be paying cable.
 
The age of the 200 channel bundle might be dying (not sure); but the age of the fiscally conscious consumer is not. Many people would have a hard time swallowing $30 to $40 a month for 25 channels *unless* they get to pick their own 25 channels from a lineup of 100+ channels and swap some of them out for other channels in the lineup every so often.

Exactly.

I would love a '10 channel package' for $20/month or a '20 channel package' for $40/month where I could swap out channels, say, once a month.

Much like Netflix allows you to get 1, 2, 3 or 4 movies out at a time. (or more, just giving an example)
 
"The service is expected to be available in the United States this September if Apple can secure content agreements in time."

...and everywhere else by..... (opps sorry Apple... must strike more content deals for that to happen)

Wouldn't worry me anyway, because i can get round it, but i don't wanna pay as i would want to "test" it first..
 
The age of the 200 channel bundle might be dying (not sure); but the age of the fiscally conscious consumer is not. Many people would have a hard time swallowing $30 to $40 a month for 25 channels *unless* they get to pick their own 25 channels from a lineup of 100+ channels and swap some of them out for other channels in the lineup every so often.

My family probably only watches 20 channels yet in order to get all of those channels, we have to buy a bundle that includes 100 channels that we don't ever watch. If we could buy just the 20 channels that we watch regularly and have five or so "slots" open to rotate additional channels in and out if there's an interesting series showing or something like that, I would give Apple $30 to $40 per month in a heartbeat if we're also able to get on demand content for each of the channels and stream both live and on demand content to our iPad, iPhones, and Macs with Family Sharing.
A fiscally conscious consumer wouldn't be buying Apple products.

I do like the idea of being able to watch when I want to watch vs when I am told to watch. I can't always time my schedule according to what's become available on TV.
 
The age of the 200 channel bundle might be dying (not sure); but the age of the fiscally conscious consumer is not. Many people would have a hard time swallowing $30 to $40 a month for 25 channels *unless* they get to pick their own 25 channels from a lineup of 100+ channels and swap some of them out for other channels in the lineup every so often.

My family probably only watches 20 channels yet in order to get all of those channels, we have to buy a bundle that includes 100 channels that we don't ever watch. If we could buy just the 20 channels that we watch regularly and have five or so "slots" open to rotate additional channels in and out if there's an interesting series showing or something like that, I would give Apple $30 to $40 per month in a heartbeat if we're also able to get on demand content for each of the channels and stream both live and on demand content to our iPad, iPhones, and Macs with Family Sharing.
Unfortunately, it's going to be difficult to save money - which I think is most people's goal. Each content provider wants to maintain its revenue stream. If only the people who actually want a channel pay for it, then each of them will pay more. So you may end up with fewer channels for the same money.

You can opt out of the pay TV system entirely, or be very selective (such as subscribing to only Netflix). But other than that, if you're anywhere near the mainstream subscriber profile (which most people are) you'll pay about the same if you stay in the system.


Convenience vs cost, want vs. need. The content creators and providers try to set up a situation where you compromise just enough, and set a price level you're just barely willing to pay.
 
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but didnt CBS just recently launch its own streaming platform?
Yes. But not on Apple TV. And just recently they dropped the "Coming Soon" for Apple TV and AirPlay. Maybe now waiting for Apple's Streaming Service.

Before last week (or so) they had the following. Then they announced Chromecast leaving the Apple TV and Airplay. Now the Coming Soon has been removed.

Coming Soon:
• Chromecast
• Apple TV
• AirPlay

This page had the Coming Soon.

https://cbsi.secure.force.com/CBSi/...te_cbsvod&referer=cbs.com/vod&data=&cfs=SFS_1
 
Les Moonves said:
“I think the age of the 200 channel universe is slowly dying,” Moonves said. “The good news for us, is any one of those groups will need CBS,” adding that his network will get a bigger proportion of whatever revenues those “skinny bundles” generate than it does in traditional packages.

I've always suspected that à la carte package prices would quickly outpace the bundles, seems like Les Moonves is confirming that to be the case.
 
What cable company do you use ?

To get that on Comcast it would be around $200 and Comcast ( in my area ) doesn't offer FIOS AND after the initial special deal they start charging more and more and more.

optimum online ... about $150/month for triple play. this includes HBO ... right now you can get it for $85/month for 2 years (promo) but after thats done its about $150 a month. this is for 6 HD boxes.
 
You're right - I don't get it.

If the NHL Center Ice package included JUST my local team, I'd buy it. But, instead, it includes the 29 other teams. Therefore, the NHL is not getting my money. It's really strange. Don't they want to serve the cord cutters? Must be some lingering contracts with cable companies, that once these expire, they can do this.

The cable companies are ownership partners in a lot of those packages and sports networks like the NHL Network and MLB Network. They also own or partially a ton of local networks and sports shows. It's not about the contracts per se. Cable's tentacles are buried deep. Take a look at the top 5 cable companies. Look to see what they actually own. Cable isn't just a dumb pipe like some make them out to be. A huge amount of the content we want comes directly from big cable.
 
A fiscally conscious consumer wouldn't be buying Apple products.

My 2009 27" iMac cost me about $1500 and it's still worth more than half of that six years later. My 2012 Mac Mini cost me a little over $700 and is actually worth more than that three years later.
 
You're right - I don't get it.

If the NHL Center Ice package included JUST my local team, I'd buy it. But, instead, it includes the 29 other teams. Therefore, the NHL is not getting my money. It's really strange. Don't they want to serve the cord cutters? Must be some lingering contracts with cable companies, that once these expire, they can do this.

All of the NHL Center Ice/MLB.tv/MLB Extra Innings type of subscription packages are only for "out of market" games, the local games are still blacked out. http://www.nhl.com/ice/ziplookup.htm?intcmpid=gcl-faq
 
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Television is very strong on competition. If CBS has officially signed on the other media companies will soon follow lest they get lost in the dust and they don't want that.
 
A fiscally conscious consumer wouldn't be buying Apple products.

I do like the idea of being able to watch when I want to watch vs when I am told to watch. I can't always time my schedule according to what's become available on TV.

Whether you pay $35, $69, or $99 for "the box" is irrelevant when cable bills tend to run about $150+ (of which maybe $55-85 is for TV). The monthly package content and price is the big deal. Apple may actually be able to save consumers a little bit of money here.

Much like with the developers and the App Store, Apple may take only a reasonable cut. Every part Apple has to play is something they're already good at, and others take care of everything else. A potential Win-Win-Win for everybody but traditional cable/satellite content distributors.


I'm sorry to hear you've been told when to watch. The VCR became widely available about 35 years ago.;) DVRs (and now cloud storage) just make it easier to manage.
 
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Those of us in the UK will probably not be able to get this, we don't even have iTunes Radio.
 
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