I waited long enough for the iPhone to come to Verizon I can wait a few more months for the iPhone 5.
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CDMA iPhone 4 Sales Below Apple's Expectations?
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I think you've got it wrong. Verizon's miss per this and the other reports I've seen is versus Apple & Verizon's expectations and plans. Nothing in this story mentions head to head sales, etc.
This isn't about Verizon iPhone versus AT&T iPhone. Its 100% about Apple's expectations. Maybe Apple blew their expectations, but its doubtful they didn't build in a future iPhone 5 launch keeping people on the sidelines, Android releases, etc.
I know more people who have Apple iPod/iPhone/iPad cables than MicroUSB cables. Hell, I see knockoff Apple cables for sale all the time at service stations. Most people couldn't care less if the iPhone has a MicroUSB port.
Precisely what this user said... I'm on an ATT 3GS now and the 4 just didn't have enough for me to drop the $199 to upgrade and extend my contract. When the 5 comes out, then I'll switch to VZ.
It really hurts my feelings that you don't believe me. I had 3 different phones with Verizon (a cheapy Qualcomm, a RAZR, and a Blackberry), and none of them ever dropped a call. Whether or not you believe that is inconsequential to me.
Apple should have launched Verizon version along with AT & T delays might have affected its sale.
I'm not sure how Apple can be disappointed with iPhone's CDMA numbers. First of all, it took far too long for the iPhone to go CDMA. Apple was foolish to sign a 5 year exclusivity agreement with AT&T in a market where technology can be turned upside down in 12 months. Did Apple really think there would be no competition within that 5 year time frame?
Apple handed market share to Android, and continues to do so with its 1+ year product update cycles. Look, Apple, this is what frustrated us when you were using Motorola chips in the Mac - you blamed Motorola for your update cycles because they were not improving the G4/G5 series processors. Then you switched to Intel, which improved the update cycle a bit for iMacs and MacBooks.
Apple's competitors update their products twice a year. The Xoom is going to have a successor in a few months. Look at how quickly Android smartphones are being updated with the latest and greatest technology. Apple just can't sit still while their competition is grinding out one great product after another. Eventually people will see past cosmetic UI differences and go with the phone their friend has, or what their family uses, etc., and that is quickly going to be Android.
Apple stock is down almost 3% today, not sure if it's because of the news or profit taking among shareholders, but it's definitely something to watch. All the analysts are predicting their stock to go to $400-$500, but with Android gaining so much traction I fail to see how this is possible.
I wanted very much to buy an iPad 2. But after seeing the dismal display and camera quality in person, and the fact that it didn't offer anything new or exciting over the iPad 1, I decided to wait for the Android tablets to hit in force and compare them to iPad 3. All I can say to Apple is that the iPhone 5 and iPad 3 better blow us all away, and they better be more than just incremental updates. If all we get this year is an iPhone 4S, Apple is going to lose this battle.
For Apple, the future rests with iOS 5. It better be good.
Apple handed market share to Android, and continues to do so with its 1+ year product update cycles. Look, Apple, this is what frustrated us when you were using Motorola chips in the Mac - you blamed Motorola for your update cycles because they were not improving the G4/G5 series processors. Then you switched to Intel, which improved the update cycle a bit for iMacs and MacBooks.
Apple's competitors update their products twice a year. The Xoom is going to have a successor in a few months. Look at how quickly Android smartphones are being updated with the latest and greatest technology. Apple just can't sit still while their competition is grinding out one great product after another. Eventually people will see past cosmetic UI differences and go with the phone their friend has, or what their family uses, etc., and that is quickly going to be Android.
Apple stock is down almost 3% today, not sure if it's because of the news or profit taking among shareholders, but it's definitely something to watch. All the analysts are predicting their stock to go to $400-$500, but with Android gaining so much traction I fail to see how this is possible.
I wanted very much to buy an iPad 2. But after seeing the dismal display and camera quality in person, and the fact that it didn't offer anything new or exciting over the iPad 1, I decided to wait for the Android tablets to hit in force and compare them to iPad 3. All I can say to Apple is that the iPhone 5 and iPad 3 better blow us all away, and they better be more than just incremental updates. If all we get this year is an iPhone 4S, Apple is going to lose this battle.
For Apple, the future rests with iOS 5. It better be good.
What benefit? You don't know what the next iPhone will offer, neither do I. I couldn't see anything important that would come up. 4 is fast, decent camera, great screen. Other than the bizarre chant of "4G", I don't see anything it can add to sway me. Guess I'm silly, but I upgraded from a 1G iPod Touch, essentially. That was much slower, and missing iOS4 features, but I still made great use of it every day.
There is only one 4G phone available, and it is a beast. You may as well carry a laptop as a Thunderbolt phone. (please don't say anything about Sprint
)I don't think you understand the nature of big business contracts. Apple clearly put out a ViPhone asap. That's why it was Feb 14 or whatever. What kind of silly date is that? It was as soon as they could, dependent on whatever ATT contract there was, and then production/marketing time after that.
We were on Tmobile for over a decade. I can count on one hand how many dropped calls I had, and ALL of them were with a dying phone that had given great service for over 2 years. (or due to the other side of the call) Maybe you aren't used to a provider that cares about this point.
To the topic:
I think Apple overestimated demand mainly due to contracts. This country's SOP of 2 year contracts is a huge issue to people. And all the providers are increasing ETFs, making it worse every year. The only company (Tmob) attempting to make changes to this scheme is now planned to go away with the ATT purchase.
What, did Apple think that Verizon customers would warmly welcome someone who shunned them for 4 years? The customer is most important, shouldn'thave signed that exclusive contract with AT&T... relly stunted their growth in the CDMA market, people move on too...
I think people are in contracts and don't want to pay an arm and a leg to get out of them. Also people know that a new iphone is rumored to be out in the Summer/Fall so why buy an old model.
If my old BB storm wasn't a complete turd I would have waited for the iphone 5.
If my old BB storm wasn't a complete turd I would have waited for the iphone 5.
Do you think that the majority of the people know that the next iPhone is coming soon? Do you think they are up to date on Apple's release cycle?
Sour Grapes?
I can just see the people on this forum, if they had been alive in 1975:
"I need a phone that I can carry with me all the time. Nobody makes one! Guess I'll just never call anybody for the next 10 years."
What is the reasoning behind this attitude? Is this just a toy purchase? How can you have a "need" for a device that apparently doesn't exist? And then, what happens with your needs until then?
I can just see the people on this forum, if they had been alive in 1975:
"I need a phone that I can carry with me all the time. Nobody makes one! Guess I'll just never call anybody for the next 10 years."
If Apple thought they'd be able to come in and over throw the Android strong hold on Verizon someone needs to go back and do some more market analysis. With such a wide variety of Android phones for Verizon, how did Apple expect they were going to be able to sell such large numbers and with an older to boot. Somone(s) got a little over zealous with their estimates and I bet they're hearing about it now.
There were 3 or 4 comments right off the bat in this article that hit the nail on the head, and yet people blatantly ignore those comments and spill out the troll fodder.
Verizon iPhone 4 sales that didnt meet expectations have nothing to do with:
-Not being able to talk and browse
-Feeling "shunned" for 4 years by Apple (big LOL at this one)
I think it is a combination of 3 things all combined playing into this. Both the fact that users contracts arent up IN ADDITION to the fact that the Android phones are currently "good enough" to not feel the need to immediately switch. When people's contracts start expiring, the sales will continue to pick up. The other item is the iPhone 5 or 4S. Everyone is aware that a new model is coming, and when you add these factors all together, it doesnt take a genius to figure out why people aren't rushing out to buy one (even though they've probably already sold millions)
Verizon iPhone 4 sales that didnt meet expectations have nothing to do with:
-Not being able to talk and browse
-Feeling "shunned" for 4 years by Apple (big LOL at this one)
I think it is a combination of 3 things all combined playing into this. Both the fact that users contracts arent up IN ADDITION to the fact that the Android phones are currently "good enough" to not feel the need to immediately switch. When people's contracts start expiring, the sales will continue to pick up. The other item is the iPhone 5 or 4S. Everyone is aware that a new model is coming, and when you add these factors all together, it doesnt take a genius to figure out why people aren't rushing out to buy one (even though they've probably already sold millions)
If Apple had not signed that exclusive contract with AT&T, there would be no iPhone as we know it. Nor would there be Android as we know it. AT&T was the carrier willing to cede device control to Apple, which was a real game-changer. They required exclusivity to do it.
Android fans should be thanking Apple for that partnership, because not only did it make their own OS possible, but it also gave their OS a growth opportunity while Apple was tied down with AT&T.
Verizon customers are smart, apparently. Why rush to buy a 10 month old phone when a new one is coming soon? Makes no sense.
Not even close. The 4 sold 2.2 million on Verizon; the Thunderbolt sold maybe 500-700,000. TB sold 130,000/wk. 4 on Verizon sold 366,000/wk.
This whole meme is based on an analyst who called a 150 Verizon stores and asked how the TB was selling vs. the 4. 61% said that they were selling about the same; 28% said that the TB was selling better.
This was a stupid methodology, of course, since it left out factors like how the 4 was selling at Apple stores or online...or at any place other than verizon stores. And the analyst also only polled stores in locations were LTE was available.
Where are all the people who were ranting here for years over ATT and wanting VERIZON?
Sure, there are many locked into contracts, but where are all the NEW customers that were ranting that they were waiting for a VERIZON iPhone and kept slamming ATT?
Is this due to "antennagate?" I seriously doubt that.
Apparently, they were the trolling vocal minority according to this report.
Either that or Apple & ATT's marketing campaign that pitted the advantages of GSM over CDMA actually worked. Hmm.
That and I honestly haven't seen nearly as many ads from VERIZON over the iPhone than when ATT had it exclusively & originally. I think VERIZON was busy counting the eggs before they hatched.
Sure, there are many locked into contracts, but where are all the NEW customers that were ranting that they were waiting for a VERIZON iPhone and kept slamming ATT?
Is this due to "antennagate?" I seriously doubt that.
Apparently, they were the trolling vocal minority according to this report.
Either that or Apple & ATT's marketing campaign that pitted the advantages of GSM over CDMA actually worked. Hmm.
That and I honestly haven't seen nearly as many ads from VERIZON over the iPhone than when ATT had it exclusively & originally. I think VERIZON was busy counting the eggs before they hatched.
There is only one 4G phone available, and it is a beast. You may as well carry a laptop as a Thunderbolt phone. (please don't say anything about Sprint
I will say something about SPRINT. First off, that article is WRONG!
Baltimore, Maryland is the 1st SPRINT test market for 4G, but it's not even mentioned in that article! I know so because SPRINT is actively advertising it and it's been in other press reports. So how many other test markets did they miss in their alleged comparison of 4G vs. 3G I wonder?
