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I think the problem that a lot of people have with Bose is that they feel their speakers are overpriced and overhyped. Their lifestyle system speakers are priced at between $1,500 and $3,000. That is a lot of money on a sound system, that will fall short of most major audiophile brands. It's not that the sound is horrible, it's just the value is horrible. I can purchase a separate AV receiver, 5 speakers and subwoofer, and they will all produce better sound than the Bose speakers and for less money.

Not only that but Bose speakers are way too small. It's simple physics. In order to produce a large soundstage, the speakers have to move a lot of air. In order to move a lot of air you need large woofers and large drivers, housed in decent sized cabinets. Bose speakers are way too small, and produce static distortion when the drivers are pumping to much air through the diaphragm. This is why Bose speakers will sound very harsh at high volumes. The air being produced by the drivers literally has to small of a space to go through and it rattles the diaphragm edges causing distortion.

Despite the advancements of AMT dipole design drivers and chambers, small speakers are still small speakers. They can only produce so much sound, at some point their size becomes a factor. My biggest problem with Bose is their refusal to publicly publish their frequency ranges on their speakers. They also refuse to give full specs on power consumption and driver make up.

IMO BOSE is a bad investment as far as speakers go. Except for their older 5.1 home theater in a box package, all of Bose traditional speakers cannot be used with anything other than the Bose receiver and the system they come with. That means when new technology comes along in receiver design, you are basically stuck with what amounts to very expensive outdated technology. Bose speakers don't use traditional speaker plugs, wires, or anything else considered by the industry as being universal. And even if you could use them with other components, like a Yamaha A/V receiver, because Bose doesn't advertise their specs how would you know how much power to give them.
 
As someone who uses b&w in one of my rooms, this type of product always annoys me in that it acts like they're the ones who finally were able to cheat physics.

Kind of like tiny cube subwoofers.

Or Bose's sub/sat setup.

But each as fatal flaws.

The zeppelin has no separation of space between the speakers so imaging sucks.

Bose has a serious frequency suck out on the cube to sub crossover and the sub has a lot of boomy mid 30hz - mid 40hz bass.

Cube subwoofers have to shove large amp specs and drivers with massive excursion capabilities to make up for the serious lack of air displacement. The distortion numbers climb fast down there.

All of these items have you paying a lot more for sound quality to get around the limitations built into their design.

I'd rather have two well made speakers properly placed that cost less and sound better. (And in most cases, look better as well.)

Just my two cents.
 
IMO BOSE is a bad investment as far as speakers go. Except for their older 5.1 home theater in a box package, all of Bose traditional speakers cannot be used with anything other than the Bose receiver and the system they come with. That means when new technology comes along in receiver design, you are basically stuck with what amounts to very expensive outdated technology. Bose speakers don't use traditional speaker plugs, wires, or anything else considered by the industry as being universal. And even if you could use them with other components, like a Yamaha A/V receiver, because Bose doesn't advertise their specs how would you know how much power to give them.

So true! Have you ever seen that huge ribbon speaker cable they would package with their systems? I set up one for a friend who was perplexed that it required all these wires and it ended up being more unsightly than just picking up a traditional 5.1 setup.

Plus, as you pointed out, there's no real way to properly upgrade the system incrementally once you're ready to move up. It's all a closed system and you have to toss it all at once to do any good.
 
I was looking into portable (i.e. battery powered) speakers for my Touch and didn't see too much of a selection. Bose was more then twice the price of the other speakers but the Bose did look much better. What cheaper portable speakers (i.e. battery powered) should I consider instead of the Bose ?

If you're looking for a relatively compact battery operated speaker dock for your iPod, check out the Altec Lansing iMT620 inMotion Classic. I bought one about 4 months ago for $109 and I use it every day at work. I spent about an hour at Best Buy listening to all of the similar docking speakers (e.g., Logitech, iHome, JBL and Sony) and the Altec sounded the best to my ears. It has a rechargeable battery and folds flat so it's very portable, an FM tuner, aux input, and even a small IR remote control.
 
B&W is like the Aston Martin of speakers. These are stylish and iconic. Can you get better sound elsewhere, yes perhaps but you will pay for it just like automobiles. Ferrari is better but cost is higher. These offer GREAT sound, stylish and Semi Compact design, and a level of prestige. Sure if you have a 5.1 or 7.1 system you will get better sound however this is a great system for the size and B&W is a legendary audio equipment maker. The only problem one could have is the price and the reliability as the first Zeppelins had some quality issues. As people who overpay for computer hardware and buy apple (myself included) price shouldnt be problem for this device.
 
Perfection

Oh I love that look, truly one nice sounding system. Can't wait to get it, and the price is not even something I consider expensive. :D
 
People are still buying bose products? I guess people buy monster cables too, so....

jajajaja, don't even get me started on the whole bubble free cables oh those Monster cable they always give me a big smile when I hear what people pay for them. :D
 
B&W Are total sellout's... they've always maintained a 'exclusive' type of aura about them, not being able to buy online and from only certain dealers.

I for one (as a histroical B&W Loudspeaker owner) won't be buying their equipment again.

If you actually had their stuff you would not troll as you do. B&W setups and speaker system are excellent. Just because they sell some things online just means they are up with the times not everyone wants custom installation.

Sound and quality is a reason you buy something which seems to not be what you think audiophiles are like. :rolleyes:
 
As someone who uses b&w in one of my rooms, this type of product always annoys me in that it acts like they're the ones who finally were able to cheat physics.

Kind of like tiny cube subwoofers.

Or Bose's sub/sat setup.

But each as fatal flaws.

The zeppelin has no separation of space between the speakers so imaging sucks.

Bose has a serious frequency suck out on the cube to sub crossover and the sub has a lot of boomy mid 30hz - mid 40hz bass.

Cube subwoofers have to shove large amp specs and drivers with massive excursion capabilities to make up for the serious lack of air displacement. The distortion numbers climb fast down there.

All of these items have you paying a lot more for sound quality to get around the limitations built into their design.

I'd rather have two well made speakers properly placed that cost less and sound better. (And in most cases, look better as well.)

Just my two cents.

Your missing the point :p so not sure why you have the speakers. For bose its more about been out of sight, If your going to "jam like its 1999" then no it makes no sense, but if you want nice aesthetic speakers that have reasonable sound then speakers like the above and even bose speakers make sense.

If you want big ass boxes that can move more air than you will breath in a month in one minute then yes it makes sense to go in that directions. Since I don't "jam" good sounding speakers at a mid level volume sound great to me and are so out of sight that I can't get enough.

The Zeppelin Air for example is going to be great for those who like me; have a way to use them and will look like art in their placement. Actually I will be putting these bad boy in the kitchen for when I am cooking. Sure I could get cheaper ugly speakers or bigger speakers with more volume and "jamming" potential but I am not a teen who has to brag :rolleyes: about how loud I am.
 
If you're looking for a relatively compact battery operated speaker dock for your iPod, check out the Altec Lansing iMT620 inMotion Classic. I bought one about 4 months ago for $109 and I use it every day at work. I spent about an hour at Best Buy listening to all of the similar docking speakers (e.g., Logitech, iHome, JBL and Sony) and the Altec sounded the best to my ears. It has a rechargeable battery and folds flat so it's very portable, an FM tuner, aux input, and even a small IR remote control.

TY for the info. I'm looking to use some Bestbuy gift cards for my purchase and Bestbuy only sells the iMT520 (looks the same as the iMT620 but without the radio). My main concern is that they only list the iMT520 as compatible with the Touch gen 1+2 and there is no mention of the Touch gen 3 (what I have). For people that have the iMT520 or iMT620, what iPod or iPhone are you using with it ?
 
I've wanted to get a B&W Zeppelin for a while, but right when I was about to buy one, I saw the AirPlay announcement and there was a picture of the Zeppelin on Apple's website. Therefore, I decided to wait. With the improvements that B&W have put into the new Zeppelin, it looks like I was wise to wait! I'll be getting one of these as soon as they come out probably!
 
I've wanted to get a B&W Zeppelin for a while, but right when I was about to buy one, I saw the AirPlay announcement and there was a picture of the Zeppelin on Apple's website. Therefore, I decided to wait. With the improvements that B&W have put into the new Zeppelin, it looks like I was wise to wait! I'll be getting one of these as soon as they come out probably!

EXACT same situation for me. I will be buying in March on release!
 
Sure I could get cheaper ugly speakers or bigger speakers with more volume and "jamming" potential but I am not a teen who has to brag :rolleyes: about how loud I am.

Hey now, I take great pains in hiding my stuff as well. :p

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I've wanted the Zeppelin for a long time, so when they had it over $100 off for Black Friday at the Apple Store, I bit the bullet. I'm very happy I did. The sound is really great, even with some live recordings I made - they sound like you are at the performance! It was worth saving up the money.
 
Your missing the point :p so not sure why you have the speakers. For bose its more about been out of sight, If your going to "jam like its 1999" then no it makes no sense, but if you want nice aesthetic speakers that have reasonable sound then speakers like the above and even bose speakers make sense.

If you want big ass boxes that can move more air than you will breath in a month in one minute then yes it makes sense to go in that directions. Since I don't "jam" good sounding speakers at a mid level volume sound great to me and are so out of sight that I can't get enough.

The Zeppelin Air for example is going to be great for those who like me; have a way to use them and will look like art in their placement. Actually I will be putting these bad boy in the kitchen for when I am cooking. Sure I could get cheaper ugly speakers or bigger speakers with more volume and "jamming" potential but I am not a teen who has to brag :rolleyes: about how loud I am.


I'm late to the party on this quote.

I had the speakers (some 600 series models and some CDM series models when I wrote the quote.) because they sounded good. It's one of the B&W products I do endorse.

And worry not, I have a 7.1 system theater room and every speaker (save the center) is hidden from view. I hate big ugly boxes. I worship aesthetics.

I understand the intention of devices (pleasing form factor) such as this. I just feel like they're oversold on what they can accomplish considering their physical limitations. I also worry it can hurt the brand image when people think that's the best something can sound. (Because really, that's how they're marketed.)

Thus my opinion on the matter.
 
B and Ws

I'm a Sonos person. I have S5's around my house and they cost (on ebay) $350 each. When they first came out they were $500, now $400 at their store. I love the sound I get off them and they stream my music right off my MacPro. Note that you also have to purchase a bridge but it's my whole-house sound system.

A couple of requests for advice and a comment. I do have a "wired" audio system that is located in my living room with B & W Matrix speakers which though are 15 years old, powered by an older Yamaha integrated amp. The system is still awesome sounding. Can the poster above let me know how to bridge either my retired iPhone 3g, now being used as an iPod. It has regular audio terminals to a tuner and auxiliary. Apple sells a Belkin bluetooth adapter, so if anyone has experience with this, would appreciate any feedback. I don't have or watch TV, but would an Apple TV unit be able to "bridge" or provide a streaming interface?

The other question is that I would like to replace my Bose radio in my office with either the Zepplin or their MM-1 attached to the "iPod". Any feedback would be welcome on these too.
 
A couple of requests for advice and a comment. I do have a "wired" audio system that is located in my living room with B & W Matrix speakers which though are 15 years old, powered by an older Yamaha integrated amp. The system is still awesome sounding. Can the poster above let me know how to bridge either my retired iPhone 3g, now being used as an iPod. It has regular audio terminals to a tuner and auxiliary. Apple sells a Belkin bluetooth adapter, so if anyone has experience with this, would appreciate any feedback. I don't have or watch TV, but would an Apple TV unit be able to "bridge" or provide a streaming interface?

The other question is that I would like to replace my Bose radio in my office with either the Zepplin or their MM-1 attached to the "iPod". Any feedback would be welcome on these too.

I can't speak to the Sonos solution, but here is what I do know.

If you have no TV, I'm not sure how you would setup an AppleTV initially, but you can use the iPhone 3G as the "remote" for it once it is setup. The ATV2 has an optical out so if your Yamaha (you did not list the model) has that type of input, you could use the ATV2. Otherwise the ATV1 has analog outputs for older stereo units.

I have the older Zeppelin (before they added the "Air") and love it. I also have the MM-1 computer speakers and they are equally as good. However, between the two, I would get the Zeppelin unless you plan on plugging them into a computer. It would be cleaner and less wires.

I'm not familiar with the Belkin unit (again, no model number), so I am not sure what you would gain, or lose, by using it.
 
I can't speak to the Sonos solution, but here is what I do know.

If you have no TV, I'm not sure how you would setup an AppleTV initially, but you can use the iPhone 3G as the "remote" for it once it is setup. The ATV2 has an optical out so if your Yamaha (you did not list the model) has that type of input, you could use the ATV2. Otherwise the ATV1 has analog outputs for older stereo units.

I have the older Zeppelin (before they added the "Air") and love it. I also have the MM-1 computer speakers and they are equally as good. However, between the two, I would get the Zeppelin unless you plan on plugging them into a computer. It would be cleaner and less wires.

I'm not familiar with the Belkin unit (again, no model number), so I am not sure what you would gain, or lose, by using it.

Thanks Hammie:

My integrated amp is a Yamaha A-1 (told you it was old!). I did not get the Belkin unit model number, it is an accessory sold currently in the Apple store.

I take it, I should be looking for an Apple TV 1?, do you know when or abouts that was manufactured and whether it may be available as a refurbed item through the Apple store? Thanks! D. Gail
 
Thanks Hammie:

My integrated amp is a Yamaha A-1 (told you it was old!). I did not get the Belkin unit model number, it is an accessory sold currently in the Apple store.

I take it, I should be looking for an Apple TV 1?, do you know when or abouts that was manufactured and whether it may be available as a refurbed item through the Apple store? Thanks! D. Gail

If you do not have the optical port on your A1, then yes. It will be your best bet.

I'm sorry, but I am not aware if it is available as a refurb unit or not.
 
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