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Not sold on smart TV’s. Rather TV manufactures put maximum smarts into the video, interfaces and leave the rest to sticks or boxes. So far not one of the TV OS has been impressive. Lag behind the sticks and boxes getting new and or updated features. More complexity for essentially no gain.

Yep I don't like smart tvs anymore but the cost difference between smart and nonsmart features have been negligible at best. You don't have to use the smart features. Use Apple TV 4K and forget the TV's built in software.

You can't get a decent TV without the smart features nowadays. I presume without the same feature, it'd cost about the same anyway. So average mom and pops can make use of the smart OS. I stick with my Apple TV box.
 
Yep I don't like smart tvs anymore but the cost difference between smart and nonsmart features have been negligible at best. You don't have to use the smart features. Use Apple TV 4K and forget the TV's built in software.

You can't get a decent TV without the smart features nowadays. I presume without the same feature, it'd cost about the same anyway. So average mom and pops can make use of the smart OS. I stick with my Apple TV box.

Good points. My issue with Visio Smart TV, no simple way to say turn off WiFi, shutdown the smart part. Example two external boxes, easy to shut one of them down while using the other. Just one more thing to manage on ones network if not being used.
 
Im on my 2nd panel since 2017

hope you got a long warranty, my oled has already been replaced due to burn in and now the replacement is starting to have issues after a year
You must have bad luck on these LG OLED panels or you’re not using them properly.

For me, an OLED panel is exclusive to watching movies. I do not subject mine to regular TV programming that exhibit static images that cause burn ins. I have a separate regular LCD for that.

I will not go back to regular LCDs for movie watching. The perfect blacks and the total lack of “blooming” and “black light bleed” on an OLED is hard to pass up, even though I have to baby it a little.

My LG C8 is still perfect after more than a year and it’s the best panel I’ve ever had with no grey banding. And to think I ordered it from Amazon!

I am extremely happy that I’ll be able to just use an internal AppleTV app to make things simple and I cannot be more excited about this announcement.
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I don't know what the rest of the world is like, but in Canada, every single cable/broadcast channel has the network logo up non-stop except during commercials or when they turn animated and start jumping around the screen.

I guess Canadians can't have OLEDs until they cut the cord.
That’s why you need a regular LCD for that. I use my C8 OLED exclusively for watching movies.
 
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not sure why this is such a big deal. Aren’t most people buying $3,000 TVs also setting up surround sound with an AV receiver, in which case you’d want a top-set streaming device connected to the receiver for sound?
Not necessarily. You can feed audio from the TV to your Dolby Atmos (and the like) capable receiver using ARC.

Now, whether or not the AppleTV app will support Dolby Atmos from the get go is another question. Let’s hope it will.
 
You must have bad luck on these LG OLED panels or you’re not using them properly.

For me, an OLED panel is exclusive to watching movies. I do not subject mine to regular TV programming that exhibit static images that cause burn ins. I have a separate regular LCD for that.
None of the major streaming services have a logo bug -- Amazon Prime video, Apple TV+, CBS All Access, Disney+, HBO Now, Hulu, and Netflix. So whether your viewing habits are movies or TV series, you can be assured of zero permanent burn in risk (screen saver will further prevent the risk if you leave the program paused or on the app's menu screen).

Only the old style networks and channels have logo bug, since these channels are typically watched with channel surfing viewing habit. I only occasionally subscribe to these for sporting events.
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not sure why this is such a big deal. Aren’t most people buying $3,000 TVs also setting up surround sound with an AV receiver, in which case you’d want a top-set streaming device connected to the receiver for sound?
I do for one of the TVs, but 2 other TVs aren't hooked up to anything. I find their smart OS and assortment of apps to be good enough that I don't feel the need to hook up set top box like Apple TV.

I like clean aesthetics of these 2 TVs not hooked up to anything but power.
 
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Well, my question is: Where is the rollable tv they promised to be released in the winter of 2019? I've searched the web for 3 month and couldn't find anything until today. ->
To make it short: It will probably cost around 60.000$. And the 65-inch panel is the same they use in all their OLED models. So basically you pay 58.000 $ for the engineering part to make it rollable. Yeah, they can release similar looking tvs with a rectangle shaped base -like we see in the picture- for no real reason but that doesn't trick the customer to think it's rollable. They already had perfectly working rollable tvs in 2017. But if you're the only one in 2020 you can charge that. Apple seems to have a slightly different approach, eg. if i look at the new display. I'm glad sharp and other manufactors will work on something similar and i hope it will get cheaper in the future (otherwise i'm building myself one, just kidding). The time where a tv should "look nice" and have a "cool design" because it's placed in the room and you look at it all the time like a piece of furniture should be over in my opinion.
 
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not sure why this is such a big deal. Aren’t most people buying $3,000 TVs also setting up surround sound with an AV receiver, in which case you’d want a top-set streaming device connected to the receiver for sound?

No, we’re putting most of them on various walls all over the place. The less we have to attach to those that *arent* part of our main home theatre systems, the better.
 
Judging by Apple TV app on other platforms (Amazon Fire TV, Roku, Samsung), it may only support HDR10 and stereo sound.
Most iTunes 4k content uses Dolby Vision. The more interesting possibility here is the ATV4k has problems with raised blacks on Dolby Vision content, which Apple lazily hasn't fixed yet, while this builtin app probably wouldn't have those problems. That's the only reason I can think of why LG wouldn't support Dolby Vision: Apple won't let them, because if they did it would be obvious that Apple's hardware was producing inferior picture quality.
 
not sure why this is such a big deal. Aren’t most people buying $3,000 TVs also setting up surround sound with an AV receiver, in which case you’d want a top-set streaming device connected to the receiver for sound?

In many situations, AVR might be not as up to date as your TV. Many still hold onto old receiver that has HDMI but not Atmos/Vision passthrough.

You paid a good dough for the new shiny TV, paying more for replacing AVR at the same time might be tough on the wallet. Not to mention all the works of unplugging old speaker cables, and add some new ones (for the height channels). That takes lots of works.

In which case it’s best to use eARC output from TV plugged into AVR. Only a single extra HDMI cable, easy as pie. That way you ensure getting best sound and pictures out of your (old and new) equipment.
 
Certain usage definitely risks burn in, most notably:
  • Using TV as computer monitor or kiosk
  • Playing many hours of games a day with static elements (e.g., HUD)
  • Watching the same TV channel many hours a day with network logo or scrolling banner (e.g., CNBC)
Beyond these and similar scenarios, it's extremely unlikely for modern OLED to be damaged with permanent burn in images.
Me too no burn in on my LG OLED I love it have had it for 2 years going strong
 
I wonder if this means the end is near for Apple TV hardware wise.

Of course it does just like it meant the end of the Fire Tv when Amazon appeared on other boxes , also when I start my Apple tv the only App on there is the Apple Tv app. And with smart Tvs we all know the software is updated regularly so yes great post
 
I might be in the minority but I find airplay garbage compared to how chromecast handles streams.
It always seems to lag or drop off, if I use the phone it can sometimes die, if I lock the phone same thing, stream quality isn't great. It is nice for photos and what not from the phone but I find web video / movies / sport streams a chore.

I like the way chromecast just takes ownership of the webstream and you can do as you please with whatever device you initially sent the stream from.

I have a 2019 LG OLED TV on a Netgrear Orbi mesh network, so I know its not the wifi.
 
Funny that Apple is forced to open its proprietary protocols. Just a few years ago implementing Apple stuff was a pure pain in the a.. . You had to be a member of MFI, you had to certify your devices if they failed maybe just because of a little software bug, Apple send you an email telling you "your devices will be scrapped". You had to nur special Apple crypto chips to establish connection with Apple devices. Only BLE GATT was freely available (and still is) all other Bluetooth communication is highly restricted.

But times are changing. Services matter and while other companies like Microsoft/Amazon/Google are leading, Apple is just way behind.
So sad that Apple still doesn't understand that is is important to be open in a modern and cloud based environment. I keep asking for Docker build containers, support of things like OpenGL, Vulkan, Cuda - or the possibility to run software in a container - all things a modern OS should be able to do. But Apple keeps going the closed and proprietary way of doing things.
What happened 2011/2012? I remember Apple doing nice things like OpenCL, porting GCD over to Linux and seemed truly committed to open standards and today Apple is fighting everything that it doesn't control. But Apple will fail doing so.
 
They are sitting way to close to that sized screen! ;)

Maybe the guy at the top all he has to do is sit back other wise it al looks fine to me? Let me guess you watch a 21" CRT from across your living room and think it's fine ?
 
Bother. No Apple TV app for 2017 models.

Don't get me wrong, I'm pleased that some older LG models will (finally!!) be getting the app but I'm disappointed I'll miss out as I'm pretty sure there's no reason why even older models can't support it!!!???!

I don't really want to buy another Apple TV just for 1 year of Apple TV+ (I'm unlikely to keep going after the free year if I activate it) and I really don't want to buy some kind of dodgy streaming stick from a competitor either (or watch on my computer, I'm not 12) so it looks like Apple TV+ will remain dead to me.
 
My preference is to buy "dumb" tvs and add apps via devices like apple tv/roku/android tv, etc. Most people, including myself, keep the tv for a long time. Built in apps often wind up not supported, not updated, etc.
 
Haha .. this is NOT Airplay 2. No TV has support for Apple TV app as of now, 2020 will soon but the point is; 2018 LG TVs will get Apple TV APP, not Airplay (which is the one they left behind for those of us on LG C8 for example).
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Just give us Airplay 2 on LG TV's older than 2019. I'm on C8.

The Apple TV App is all I need - the TV has apps for everything-but-iTunes-purchased-movies.

Yes, AirPlay 2 support would be a nice addition just in case, but just the app will let me ditch the Apple TV 4K taking up an HDMI port.
 
3000 dollar tv you have to baby, thats funny. I actually was not even watching much content. I knew about static content but we are a household of 2. First panel had issues around 2500hours, second one is mostly image rentention at this point but becoming more noticeable. Ill see my apple tv icons slowly fade out. I was expecting much longer life out of these organic panels.


You must have bad luck on these LG OLED panels or you’re not using them properly.

For me, an OLED panel is exclusive to watching movies. I do not subject mine to regular TV programming that exhibit static images that cause burn ins. I have a separate regular LCD for that.

I will not go back to regular LCDs for movie watching. The perfect blacks and the total lack of “blooming” and “black light bleed” on an OLED is hard to pass up, even though I have to baby it a little.

My LG C8 is still perfect after more than a year and it’s the best panel I’ve ever had with no grey banding. And to think I ordered it from Amazon!

I am extremely happy that I’ll be able to just use an internal AppleTV app to make things simple and I cannot be more excited about this announcement.
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That’s why you need a regular LCD for that. I use my C8 OLED exclusively for watching movies.
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Me too no burn in on my LG OLED I love it have had it for 2 years going strong
I bet if you throw up some solid grey screens or red youll see some evidence of deterioration. Granted if you dont see it in real world who cares but give it time.
 
These TVs will most likely have eARC so these apps can send any audio back to any reciever. I personally use an Nvidia Shield over Apple Tvs so having this app on the TV would avoid having to buy both.

I think its a big deal because it is very rare for Apple to let people out of their walled garden but with Apple TV they seem to keen for it to be available for everyone.

not sure why this is such a big deal. Aren’t most people buying $3,000 TVs also setting up surround sound with an AV receiver, in which case you’d want a top-set streaming device connected to the receiver for sound?
 
All I know is the lg app for youtube tv is garbage, crashes all the time. I use it on my apple tv without issue. Also I strongly recommend using a wired connection on your lg if you do use the internal apps, the modems (at least on the 2017s) are sloooow
 
I brought a C9 OLED a few months ago. Since that time I haven't touched my apple tv. I might consider using it for certain apps some day, but its also the old model so doesnt do 4k, and I see zero point paying out extra dollars to get 4k when the TV does pretty much everything. Except AppleTV. So apple doesnt get my money. At some point I may have to revert to an external device to get what I want, but that will be seen.
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All I know is the lg app for youtube tv is garbage, crashes all the time. I use it on my apple tv without issue. Also I strongly recommend using a wired connection on your lg if you do use the internal apps, the modems (at least on the 2017s) are sloooow

my C9 2019 model does youtube flawlessly, plus it does it in 4k, which apple does not .
 
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