CES 2021: Dell Introduces 40-Inch 5K2K Ultrawide Monitor With Thunderbolt 3 Connectivity for Macs

[Mr.PT]

Whenever people say something like that they usually don't mean it; like… if you really needed those two displays you would have the LG 5ks, and be talking about replacing those.

What's your setup today, and how are you being held back in work/play by not being able to get two 5Ks with a prettier frame?

Whenever people say something like that they usually don't mean it; like… if you really needed those two displays you would have the LG 5ks, and be talking about replacing those.

What's your setup today, and how are you being held back in work/play by not being able to get two 5Ks with a prettier frame?

Well, some of us think awkwardly? Would get 2: one for each MBP we run at our home office, so we can enlarge display area when using BLENDER. Do I desperately need it? No, but it would make things easier. However, personally aesthetics and built are important, so no LG Ultrafine; maybe if they had a colossal price drop...I could be tempted to reconsider, nonetheless I much rather pay 2k for an Apple redesign chassis (how stupid is that?). BTW Don’t understand why one can use iPad to share MBP screen, but not an iMac.

 

[Mr.PT]

Jumping in the fray here - lots of comments sprinkled in this thread about resolution, PPI, and monitor/screen size.

My first thought for you is that LG makes the panel (the 27" 5k - 5120x2880) and they put it in their 27" Ultrafine display and Dell put it in their 27" 5k display. Not enough people bought them so Dell stopped producing their version. I believe, but am not 100% sure, that it is also the same panel that is in the 27" 5k iMac. That's it, those are the only "5k" monitors out there and the reason is that not enough people bought them to justify continued production of the panels and screens. I believe the LG 5k still exists because Apple (somehow) is still incentivizing production of the display. It's really only made for a Mac, not a Windows machine.

My second thought, for the rest of the thread, is that I am the one looking for a 49" 10240x2880 monitor. Essentially two 'real' 27" 5k monitors merged into one panel at 200+ PPI...for less than $6k. I would pay for that but not enough people are talking with their wallets for the manufacturers to create such a thing.

Your layout seems perfect for those needing dual display setup, and maybe feasible under $6k (after all 2*27”5k Ultrafine Display=$2,6k), but image ratio would be awkward, and would have to be curved, no?

 

[Mr.PT]

Agreed. At these kinds of price points, I might as well buy another 5K iMac and pocket the change......

Would do it myself if I could share screen with MBP. Can’t help enjoying the Irony in Dell making iMac look very affordable...

 

[IscariotJ]

Lol, no. Dell is praying their high end displays are purchased by Mac users with money. Windows doesn't look any better on this display than it does on a $139 display from Amazon so, Dell knows exactly who they're making this for.

until there’s an issue, and Dell’s stance will be, they don’t test their hardware on a Mac, and anything that isn’t manufactured by them, is an unsupported configuration... Their behaviour over their non-compliant implementation was utterly disgraceful.

 

[Lemon Olive]

My neck hurts just thinking about the head movements required to use a 48" display.

You're over thinking it. Sitting the correct distance away, a 48" diagonal retina display would not be very big at all. It's 2 24" 4K Ultra Fine panels attached end to end. Nothing crazy. But seemingly impossible to make.

 

[GiantKiwi]

Nothing to do with prices or "monetary based figures". Just number of machines.

Gartner Says Worldwide PC Shipments Declined 4.3 Percent in 4Q18 and 1.3 Percent for the Year

Worldwide PC shipments totaled 68.6 million units in the fourth quarter of 2018, a 4.3 percent decline from the fourth quarter of 2017, according to preliminary results by Gartner, Inc.

www.gartner.com

Dell shipped about 42M PCs/laptops in 2018. Apple shipped about 18M. Neither count includes tablet devices.

Gartner. Now it makes so much more sense where you are coming from. They produce market predictions, not raw data.
However, even by Gartner's own "data", Dell saw a 12.1% growth between Q4'18 and Q4'19 vs Apple dropping by 3% in that same period.

 

[Chicagoblah]

my 144hz monitor has ruined all of these 60hz displays for me

 

[bobbie424242]

Meanwhile, Viewsonic is announcing a 32" 8K monitor, for a whooping 280ppi... and a $4999 price tag:

• 32-inch monitor with native 8K (7680×4320) resolution
• Adobe RGB 99% for a wide color gamut coverage
• Color-blind mode with advanced color adjustments for improved color recognition
• Connectivity options include: Thunderbolt 3, DisplayPort and a USB hub
• Available: Summer 2021 with an estimated street price of $4,999.99

Being a pixel density enthusiast, I wished 8K monitors were affordable. Maybe in 10 years... For the time being I will use my trusty Dell 24" 4K.

 

[WP31]

Your layout seems perfect for those needing dual display setup, and maybe feasible under $6k (after all 2*27”5k Ultrafine Display=$2,6k), but image ratio would be awkward, and would have to be curved, no?

Yeah, I actually have a dual display setup: 1 x 27" LG 5k UF & 1 x 34" LG UW. The UW is 1440 and curved so I mostly run the 5k at 2560 x 1440. I use all that real estate and can't imagine reducing down to 2 x 27", plus that would place the bezels directly in front of me which wouldn't work for me either. My biggest 'complaint' is the disparity between the 200+ PPI on the 5k and the ~100 PPI on the UW. It's not a real complaint obviously but I would consider a 49" SuperUW if it were ~200 PPI...for some reasonable price. I just can't justify the XDR price and it's a little less real estate than I need most of the time.

 

[svanstrom]

Yeah, I actually have a dual display setup: 1 x 27" LG 5k UF & 1 x 34" LG UW. The UW is 1440 and curved so I mostly run the 5k at 2560 x 1440. I use all that real estate and can't imagine reducing down to 2 x 27", plus that would place the bezels directly in front of me which wouldn't work for me either. My biggest 'complaint' is the disparity between the 200+ PPI on the 5k and the ~100 PPI on the UW. It's not a real complaint obviously but I would consider a 49" SuperUW if it were ~200 PPI...for some reasonable price. I just can't justify the XDR price and it's a little less real estate than I need most of the time.

I would swear by not being able to handle two displays with a split right infront of me; but… I have actually had that, and it was no big deal when it comes to practical usage.

The key is to have them at a reasonable distance from your eyes. Most people I see talking about what they absolutely must have in pixel density and exact curvature etc actually just sit too close to the displays to get proper work done; and their desks have the depth of about nothing.

Get a desk that's like 1m (1.1 yard) deep, move the displays a bit further away, and lower the resolution a bit; and most people will find that even a bezel split right in front of them will not matter as much as they thought.

 

[arvinsim]

Being a pixel density enthusiast, I wished 8K monitors were affordable. Maybe in 10 years... For the time being I will use my trusty Dell 24" 4K.

If only 24" 4k is widespread. The Dell one seems to be discontinued.


I don't understand why manufacturer's just don't create 27" 5K.

 

[Stephen.R]

If only 24" 4k is widespread. The Dell one seems to be discontinued.


I don't understand why manufacturer's just don't create 27" 5K.

There used to be an LG 24” 4K when they were selling a 21” ultra fine via Apple that had regular (ie not tb3/USB-c only) inputs. Not sure if it’s still available.
I’m kind of hunting for a third p2415q - currently best option I’ve seen is a place in the US that’ll ship international to me. Doesn’t affect the price much either actually.

 

[Stephen.R]

You're over thinking it. Sitting the correct distance away, a 48" diagonal retina display would not be very big at all. It's 2 24" 4K Ultra Fine panels attached end to end. Nothing crazy. But seemingly impossible to make.

It’s not two 4k’s. It’s the width of two, but the height of a 24” in portrait.

sitting further away means you’ll need to have a lower effective resolution to make things readable, which means you’ve got less usable space, which means you’ve not gained anything.

I want more usable window space. I don’t want an expensive toy for the sake of saying it, with no actual benefit to working space.

this is why “ultra wide” displays have become popular: turning your head slightly side to side, combined with a chair that swivels means looking left to right is relatively easy. Craning your head up or down is not as easy, and the chair doesn’t help.

 

[Stephen.R]

Gartner. Now it makes so much more sense where you are coming from. They produce market predictions, not raw data.
However, even by Gartner's own "data", Dell saw a 12.1% growth between Q4'18 and Q4'19 vs Apple dropping by 3% in that same period.

Your claim was “more in a week than a year”. We don’t need exact numbers to examine that claim. By Gartners prediction Dell sold ~2x what Apple did. For your claim to hold water they’d need to sell 52x what Apple sold.

so, **** it. You made the claim, back it up with something.

 

[GiantKiwi]

Your claim was “more in a week than a year”. We don’t need exact numbers to examine that claim. By Gartners prediction Dell sold ~2x what Apple did. For your claim to hold water they’d need to sell 52x what Apple sold.

so, **** it. You made the claim, back it up with something.

Doesn't really matter all that much, it was a subjective equivalency, which is why I won't to back it up. End of the pointless argument is, Apple sells F-all in comparison to the rest of the market, so nobody else gives 2 hoots about the Apple consumers opinion. That is very clearly shown in every single dataset, predictive or not. Apple on it's best year in the last decade was equivalent to 7.5% of the entire computer market.

Which is why the original point I made prior to you going on a rant based on meaningless data still stands. There is no specific reference to Apple support in the vendor press release, the author of the OP has extrapolated it because of a connector existing - reality is, it's another puff piece by someone talking out of their backside; Like the majority of the non-apple "news" that gets regurgitated on here.

 

[Stephen.R]

Apple sells F-all in comparison to the rest of the market...

By that logic, every company sells **** all in comparison to the rest of the market, because the "biggest" share is less than 25%.

on it's best year in the last decade was equivalent to 7.5% of the entire computer market.

According to the 2020 estimates from your favourite source , Apple had 8.2% of the market worldwide, with 22% growth from the year previous.. vs 2.1% growth for Dell.

Nobody is disputing that Dell sells more PCs than Apple, or that PC manufacturers generally don't specifically cater to Mac buyers. But as has been pointed out here in the thread, Dell pretty much says "**** you not my problem" to people using a Dell display with any non-Dell computer.

The entire "pointless argument" is because you made a wildly inaccurate claim, and then rather than either (a) acknowledge the mistake or (b) claim sarcasm, you doubled down.

 

[CrispUnix]

Why wouldn't they offer 100W passthrough power? It's so frustrating to see al these new devices cap out at 90W or less. This won't be able to charge the MacBook Pro 16" at high load.

USB PD spec supports 100W charging. Why limit the product?

 

[jumpcutking]

Now accepting donations... I love curved monsters... but that price tho. I suppose it's not as shocking as the non curved Apple Display... with optional (and additional charge) stand.

 

[WP31]

I would swear by not being able to handle two displays with a split right infront of me; but… I have actually had that, and it was no big deal when it comes to practical usage.

The key is to have them at a reasonable distance from your eyes. Most people I see talking about what they absolutely must have in pixel density and exact curvature etc actually just sit too close to the displays to get proper work done; and their desks have the depth of about nothing.

Get a desk that's like 1m (1.1 yard) deep, move the displays a bit further away, and lower the resolution a bit; and most people will find that even a bezel split right in front of them will not matter as much as they thought.

Hey S - I use a 30" x 72" (76.2cm x 182.88cm) desk now, just a little shallower than you describe but have the monitors mounted on swing arms that hang off the back of the desk so the screen are set near the back of the desk. I could use a little more desk depth but don't mind the monitor spread I have now. I've used dual 27" monitors and don't 'hate' the bezel in the middle but when I switched to a 34" + 27" setup it shifted the bezel to the side and I much prefer it that way (so the bezel is not in the middle of my view/workspace). I dont want to go back to a bezel in the middle. But that dual HiDPI (2xLG5k) dream beckons me from time to time...

 

[SigEp265]

Any of these new monitors glossy ?? I wish they would bring back glossy screen finish.

 

[svanstrom]

Any of these new monitors glossy ?? I wish they would bring back glossy screen finish.

Are you a troll, or just a weirdo?!

Any particular professional needs for it to be glossy, or just a personal preference; and in what type of environment would you use it (like how the lighting is etc)?

 

[Mr.PT]

If only 24" 4k is widespread. The Dell one seems to be discontinued.


I don't understand why manufacturer's just don't create 27" 5K.

Not sure if I understood your post, nevertheless here are LG offers for your needs:
LG 24” 4K Ultrafine Display
LG 27” 5K Ultrafine Display
As some guys already said in this tread, most 27” 5K panels are made by LG.

 

[SigEp265]

Are you a troll, or just a weirdo?!

Any particular professional needs for it to be glossy, or just a personal preference; and in what type of environment would you use it (like how the lighting is etc)?

LOL gloss screen (Apple Thunderbolt monitor or iMac) is what I prefer. To me it looks so much better -- matte finish feels washed out to me. Graphic design / web development is my profession lol.

 

[Mr.PT]

Are you a troll, or just a weirdo?!

Any particular professional needs for it to be glossy, or just a personal preference; and in what type of environment would you use it (like how the lighting is etc

Hey S - I use a 30" x 72" (76.2cm x 182.88cm) desk now, just a little shallower than you describe but have the monitors mounted on swing arms that hang off the back of the desk so the screen are set near the back of the desk. I could use a little more desk depth but don't mind the monitor spread I have now. I've used dual 27" monitors and don't 'hate' the bezel in the middle but when I switched to a 34" + 27" setup it shifted the bezel to the side and I much prefer it that way (so the bezel is not in the middle of my view/workspace). I dont want to go back to a bezel in the middle. But that dual HiDPI (2xLG5k) dream beckons me from time to time...

I believe you might get the width you need (but not the ratio) with a 48” Oled TV, though as far as I’m aware these are currently only offered at 4K resolution and for around EUR1,7k (LG and Sony offers), but maybe this change in near future, as some gaming crowd enjoys this sets, and they go for 8k resolution at a reasonable price.

 

[cosmolv]

Why can't some one just make a 48" 8K display that is retina quality?

i use 49" Dell U4919DW not 8K but really good at that priece. Of course i wish better ppi for it, but price VS 49" UltraWide with small curvature are great. And it is not so pixelated. It is surprisingly sharp and crisp.