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CES 2021: Intel Highlights Next-Generation 'Alder Lake' Chips

Lol look at all their marketing images, they evoke feelings of gamer/streamer. There's no longer any business argument for x86 chips.

ARM servers are also usable TODAY, and I've used them to save companies tangible dollars in the cloud. bye bye intel, hello hyper competitive landscape of high performance ARM computing. Apple vs Amazon vs Nvidia vs Qualcomm, here we go!
 
10nm? Can't believe Intel is so behind their competition. Who knows if Apple is already coming out with next-gen by the fall (don't mean a die shrink).

Before you say no, consider that they've done yearly updates on mobile side for years.
 
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gaximus said:
So us Apple Fan boys can dog on it.
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Pretty much. I mean joke's on the fan boys if it's faster than Apple's stuff. Seems stupid to write off the biggest CPU maker's product before it's even released...

I dunno if I'm a 'fan boy' anymore. The scene's become to blind and polarised. I'm merely interested in new consumer tech (and trust Apple as I've been with them since 1984, so prefer their OS).
 
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There honestly should be more Intel chips going forward, but thermal changes indicate it will only be in the older (today’s) form factors. No one can accuse Apple of a slow architecture transition!
So the elephant in the room is that the M1 machine is totally impractical for many due to hardware limitations on multiple displays.

It’s still not clear to me whether that’s due to the CPU, the GPU, power to I/O, or some other reason having to do with the chipset/SoC architecture. Anyone know? Despite impressive performance, this bottleneck actually makes the Pro in MacBook Pro a misnomer.
 
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Of course, it probably won't compete with M1 (or whatever the next one is called) because it would be missing the tight optimization between OS and hardware due to the nature of Windows laptops.

But if it comes anywhere close to M1's efficiency and performance, that's a huge step for Windows laptops.
 
SubduedTiger said:
There honestly should be more Intel chips going forward, but thermal changes indicate it will only be in the older (today’s) form factors. No one can accuse Apple of a slow architecture transition!

The elephant in the room is that the M1 machine is totally impractical for many due to native limitations on multiple displays. It’s not clear to me whether that’s due to the CPU, the GPU, power to I/O, or some other reason having to do with the chipset/SoC architecture. Despite impressive performance, that actually makes the Pro in MacBook Pro a misnomer.
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Temporary issue. The beefed up ”M1x” for the 16” MBP/high end 13” MBP, and low end iMacs, will solve that.
 
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omenatarhuri said:
10nm? Can't believe Intel is so behind their competition. Who knows if Apple is already coming out with next-gen by the fall (don't mean a die shrink).

Before you say no, consider that they've done yearly updates on mobile side for years.
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To be fair, 10nm Intel is essentially identical in terms of technology to TSMC 7nm. They use different methods to name their process nodes.

So Intel 7nm is essentially similar to TSMC 5nm.
 
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ikir said:
Nice but probably too late. M1 is simply outstanding and it will be the slower Apple Silicon ever released. By the time these hits the market, M1X and M2 will be here.
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I think there is more to this story. The M1 is good for an ARM chip but high-end Intel CPUs still smoke it (and have better GPUs available...etc). I wouldn't replace a Xeon server or a gaming PC with an M1 (for example).

There's still a long journey until Apple Silicon's capable of competing with high-end Intel/AMD offerings.


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Apple will probably be released the M4 or M5 SOCs before this ever makes it into a PC.
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Um... available second half of 2021 and will support DDR5.

More likely, Apple will be pushing significantly slower ARM chips with DDR4 in competition to this, with fans saying 'yeah but it's super fast DDR4 and the Apple CPUs use less energy... also you can't compare the performance of Linux servers or Windows 10 gaming machines running on high-end Intel chips because they use more power, have bigger cases and everything's optimised for the x86 architecture!!!'
 
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sirozha said:
Why waste the bandwidth by writing an article about a totally irrelevant technology on an Apple-centric site?
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Because Apple-centric doesn’t equate to Apple only. There have been plenty of complaints about Windows compatibility loss. This news could be very relevant to those who buy, would buy, or build a “PC” to compliment a Mac or other Apple system/device.

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2022: ‘Drowning Lake’ architecture.
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Following “Mighty Pond”?
 
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NOT sure Apple has many of them, as it's mostly a Consumer-oriented products & services company, but Businesses, especially Medium-sized & BIGGER, typically cannot adopt New Tech, like an M1 or newer Apple Silicon processor, unless/until it's been signed-off by Software QA !

And that point will be different for each company / division.

I suspect many such business will Buy Up ALL the remaining Intel-based Macs they can get their hands on (in the near term, that is).

Also, the DRAM limit in the M1 is a HUGE hurdle to many High-Perf applications !

As some point, Apple will need to RE-design the DRAM Controller in a follow-up Apple Silicon chip, so that it supports the typical Desktop / Workstation / Server memory architecture (& components).

Otherwise, Intel-based Macs will be with us ALL for a very, very long time !
 
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Temporary issue. The beefed up ”M1x” for the 16” MBP/high end 13” MBP, and low end iMacs, will solve that.
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Yeah. Such limitations in what will probably be the lowest-end ASi Mac CPU ever aren't worth talking about — bigger ones will almost certainly offer more RAM, more displays, …
 
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It used to be exciting news when Intel announce new processor architecture or chips. But, now ?
 
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