CES 2021: Intel Highlights Next-Generation 'Alder Lake' Chips

[mrchinchilla]

"Alder Lake" or "Old 'n' Late"?

 

[Gabebear]

Odd that Intel isn’t supporting USB4 or thunderbolt in their next chipset. RocketLake is launching with USB3.2 and will require another chip to support USB4 or Thunderbolt4. AlderLake is launching later than RocketLake and has unspecified USB support.

 

[Abstract]

Intel Too Late

 

[LeeW]

Apple aside, if and of course a big if intel can deliver then it is good news for many, can it beat ARM on Apple? Probably not given the tight integration Apple can achieve but like I say if they can deliver progress is progress, not going to knock it. There is a big world outside of the walled garden.

 

[pacalis]

"Alder Lake" or "Old 'n' Late"?

Their roadmap just leaked...

It's Glacial Lake, then Crater Lake and then they move onto the Playa and Salt Flats architectures.

 

[tdar]

Better stop at Intel already: they're done as far as new macs are concerned.

They are done with more than macs.

 

[tdar]

I wonder if it’s really a SoC. Bet not.

 

[sailingdarter]

Apple will continue to release Intel based Macs for a bit more while. That's what they shared in the last announcement

I think at this point the only Intel Macs that Apple will release going forward is a minor spec bump on the Mac Pro/iMac Pro

 

[now i see it]

and in the next booth, Motorola and IBM present the G6 chip

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

they all required their devices to be plugged in, to be even close to competing. Which makes them desktop computers imho.

Eh, not really. I have my laptop plugged in probably 70% of the time that I use it.

It’s usable away from a plug when you need it to be, and it’s super trivial to move from one work spot to another.

If I’m doing something heavy, I’m fine with needing to be plugged in.

 

[maxfromdenmark]

Dear Intel,
You made so many promises before. “Significant breakthrough “ is something no one expect from you anymore . It’s time to say goodbye...

love
Max

 

[ChrisA]

Why waste the bandwidth by writing an article about a totally irrelevant technology on an Apple-centric site?

Because it shows you why Apple will not "take over". These new Intel chips will find their way into new $600 PC notebooks and people will see the $600 price and not even consider buying a Mac.

My neighbor did just that. He looked around and saw a $600 PC with 14" screen and compared it to a $1,000 mac with 13" screen and did not have to think hard which to buy. What will happen with these new Intel chips is that the cheaper PC will now have a much longer battery life, narrowing the advantage of the Mac.

 

[firewood]

and in the next booth, Motorola and IBM present the G6 chip

Motorola was eaten by Lenovo. But the IBM Power 9 and 10 chips will go into some of the fastest supercomputers on the planet. Not low power, but still very very fast.

 

[DaRev]

I think there is more to this story. The M1 is good for an ARM chip but high-end Intel CPUs still smoke it (and have better GPUs available...etc). I wouldn't replace a Xeon server or a gaming PC with an M1 (for example).

There's still a long journey until Apple Silicon's capable of competing with high-end Intel/AMD offerings.



Um... available second half of 2021 and will support DDR5.

More likely, Apple will be pushing significantly slower ARM chips with DDR4 in competition to this, with fans saying 'yeah but it's super fast DDR4 and the Apple CPUs use less energy... also you can't compare the performance of Linux servers or Windows 10 gaming machines running on high-end Intel chips because they use more power, have bigger cases and everything's optimised for the x86 architecture!!!'

Intel always makes big promises and delivers years late. Everyone in the Pc world was blabbing about how Apple Silicone would be the nail in Apple's Mac Coffin, then they tested the machines and ate crow, soon you will be joining them.

 

[jlocker]

Apple chip should be called M/none at this time, does it support EGPU box, no, does it support native Windows 10, no does not, does it support a Nvidia 3090 EGPU card no. Can I use a 8k display no, can I have 32gb or 64gb of ram? no My one year old MacBook Pro 16 does this all. Will I get a M something? yes but it is going to be a while as hardware and software design is handled. So before you bow down to the M1 processor remember it still has some things it can't do.

 

[sirozha]

Why did you read the article?

Did I need to put “/s” at the end of that comment? I give people the opportunity to get my humor without me telling them when to laugh.

 

[MacLC]

Because it shows you why Apple will not "take over". These new Intel chips will find their way into new $600 PC notebooks and people will see the $600 price and not even consider buying a Mac.

My neighbor did just that. He looked around and saw a $600 PC with 14" screen and compared it to a $1,000 mac with 13" screen and did not have to think hard which to buy. What will happen with these new Intel chips is that the cheaper PC will now have a much longer battery life, narrowing the advantage of the Mac.

It took me almost to page 3 to find a comment I could agree with.

Likewise, anybody who bought a recent Mac Pro will still look forward to Intel upgrades for a long time to come.

M1 MacBook Pro versus other Macs running DaVinci Resolve 17

real world speed test results for performance minded Macintosh users

barefeats.com

M1 is great but is not yet at the professional level, and somebody with $5000 or more (add $1000 for plastic monitor stand) invested in a current Mac Pro will find it much more simple to pay $800 for a future CPU upgrade than $5000 for a new Mac Pro.


Therein lies the rub. You see, Intel offers CPU upgrades just as AMD and Nvidia offer GPU upgrades. Future Macs will be tied to Apple, who most assuredly will not offer CPU upgrades.

Let's be honest. Some day, we'll all miss Intel.

 

[I7guy]

Let's see if AMD can keep up and what they have in store. Sounds like those who want a new desktop on Alder Lake will get a zippy cpu. (in fact, let's see how those compare to the M1#)

 

[alien3dx]

my main still iMac 2017 intel compare new m1 I bought.Each have own task

 

[Steve121178]

How the mighty have fallen. How??

They've not really fallen. The PC, server, cloud & data centre market is colossal which they still dominate.

 

[ian87w]

"Coming in the second half of 2021" can mean coming at the end of 2021. And there's probably still limited quantities as OEMs only pushed it on their highest tier models. This is in contrast with Apple silicon, which starts with a mainstream Macbook Air with the M1.

I'm waiting for intel laptops to free fall in prices.

 

[cmaier]

Motorola was eaten by Lenovo. But the IBM Power 9 and 10 chips will go into some of the fastest supercomputers on the planet. Not low power, but still very very fast.

Actually no. The chip part of Motorola became Freescale, which was bought by NXP.

 

[ian87w]

How the mighty have fallen. How??

It's a repeat of history. Remember the Pentium 4 days, where those were huge power sucking chips with so so performance that only have GHz as its main feature. AMD trounced intel back then. Then intel was forced to innovate with the Core series.

The cycle is repeating. Competition is healthy.

 

[Yebubbleman]

Much as I would totally be okay with another Intel 16" MacBook Pro, I have a feeling we're done seeing new Intel Mac releases.

 

[cmaier]

Much as I would totally be okay with another Intel 16" MacBook Pro, I have a feeling we're done seeing new Intel Mac releases.

Yep.