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CES 2023: Dell Looks to Take on Apple's Pro Display XDR With New 32-Inch 6K Display That Has a Built-In 4K Webcam and Included Stand

LD517 said:
Sounds like a you issue tbh...
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This was something I hadn’t thought of because it was so normal. Every monitor I ever had had the same problem of not turning on reliably. I’ve had Dell, Alienware, Samsung, LG, BenQ, etc. and all them of them had the same issues. When AppleInsider did a review of the Studio Display and Andrew brought up that the best feature was that it always turned on, a light bulb turned on in my head making me realize I’d been putting up with crappy PC monitors that all had the same issue whether I was using HDMI, DisplayPort, Nvidia cards, or AMD cards. Whether I was using Windows 10 or Windows 11 or even Windows 7 or earlier, they ALL had the problem. It’s not macOS either, since PC monitors attached to Macs also exhibited the problem of not reliably turning on.

You get in the habit of not noticing because it happens so often and you dismiss it. It hadn’t occurred to me at all that it could be a feature until AppleInsider mentioned it as something that happened to him all the time. That’s when I realized I’d been having the same issues but ignored them. Think back and you might find you’ve been having the same problems forever but just mentally checked out of it as a problem.

It’s not a me issue. It’s a fundamental problem with monitors.
 
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cicalinarrot said:
I have a dream that my displays will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the size of their bezels, but by the content of their panel.
Seriously, though, come on, non-Apple people mock us because they say Apple users choose form over function and you're definitely proving them right.
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Touché.

But honestly... look at the size of that camera. I'm guessing the reason it's so big is because it's got a lot of hardware inside that circular lump of a camera. I've seen external webcams of a similar size.

So what's under those giant forehead bezels? Why are they there?

Couldn't Dell have made that same camera and attach it to the top of the monitor magnetically? Why does it have to be built into the monitor?

I'm hoping Dell offers this same panel in a monitor without the camera... for those of use who like a little bit of form with our function.

Fell free to mock...

;)

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alexandr said:
I may be a snob, but nothing that looks like that is going on my desk...
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Good to know that you're one of those form over function folks. But who cares what it looks like unless you are doing videos that are released to the public. Oh, that would be podcasts for a lot of folks that need the new hip word.
 
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tobybrut said:
The Apple Studio Display and Pro Display XDR have a killer feature I have never seen on any other non-Apple monitor... the ability to turn on 100% of the time and very quickly, too. With every other monitor I've ever owned, about 1/4 to 1/3 of the time, the picture just won't show and I have to reboot either the computer or the monitor to get it to come on.

I'd like to see a review of these two monitors (Dell and Samsung) to see if they have that ability. I doubt it. If they do, then they will be competitive as long as their pricing is good.
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Never had an issue before with Dell monitors turning on slowly. Should check for faulty cabling or ports.

I think Apple are in trouble now other manufacturers are making quality displays. You can bet this thing won't cost £6000 like Apple are charing for basic displays.
 
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nt5672 said:
Good to know that you're one of those form over function folks. But who cares what it looks like unless you are doing videos that are released to the public. Oh, that would be podcasts for a lot of folks that need the new hip word.
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No, I like it where form meets function. And I care what it looks like, because I'm the one looking at it more than anyone else.
 
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Regarding Apple’s XDR display:

It is obviously known that Apple’s prices on their pro gear are ludicrous. Like not even in the realm of reasonable. Here’s what I wish we knew: what do the sales numbers look like?

And the bigger question: assuming the sales are lackluster, does Apple even consider the fact that they’ve priced their products too high? Or do they look at the numbers and go, “Well, I guess people don’t want pro products after all.”?
 
Sharky II said:
I reckon there’s a possibility that the webcam will ‘slot’ onto the top bezel and be removable.

But you’re still left with that too bezel/forehead 😭😭
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I hope/kind of doubt the whole assembly pops on and off magnetically. I have Dell's 27 inch monitor with their 4k webcam and the soundbar/speakers pops onto the monitor magnetically. The camera goes on top, the speakers/mic sticks onto the bottom. It is frankly awesome, with the included KVM function this monitor apparently has too, best WFH setup ever.

Hopefully this is the same way.
 
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theorist9 said:
Unfortunately, the XDR does not either. See:

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Thanks for the info. I had an inkling that the pro colourists said of the XDR at the time things like (and I paraphrase and summarise) "not quite there, but so very close, and the price is really good", but you've been the first I've read to put the problem so succinctly.

Having said that, while Dolby doesn't approve hardware for mastering, they don't seem to be saying no to the XDR here. The text tends to lean towards "viewing" rather than "mastering", though.

If the contrast ratio was calculated using a checkerboard pattern, the XDR might make the grade even with the blooming.

Finally, the price of perfection (Eizo ColorEdge Prominence CG3146 31.1" HDR Reference Monitor) seems to be about $25000 higher than the Apple XDR.

Suffice to say, all of this is out of my league - I've just purchased an Apple Studio Display for myself at work, because I wanted great and reliable and I wasn't paying for it.

Thanks for the info.
 
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thecombatwombat said:
I hope/kind of doubt the whole assembly pops on and off magnetically. I have Dell's 27 inch monitor with their 4k webcam and the soundbar/speakers pops onto the monitor magnetically. The camera goes on top, the speakers/mic sticks onto the bottom. It is frankly awesome, with the included KVM function this monitor apparently has too, best WFH setup ever.

Hopefully this is the same way.
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Yes, I'm wondering if the whole top section is removable. It looks like that from the front/side, but doesn't look that way from behind, unfortunately.

I've been clinging onto my 30" ACD but have been tempted by some 32" 4K BenQ monitors, but the whole scaling thing (and price of XDR or ASD) has been off-putting.

Did we ever find out the price of this?
 
theluggage said:
...why do people rush to give Apple credit for their self-inflicted "form over function" design flaws? Almost any other "prosumer" monitor will come with a height adjustable stand which can usually be removed and replaced with a VESA mount.
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Have you seen most of the stands that come with displays? Flimsy and wobbly, mostly. Which is why many are replaced with better stands and arms etc. Height adjust isn't that important if you've got your desktop ergonomics sorted anyway.

fuchsdh said:
The stand situation with their monitors boggles me. Why not just create a common mount point, even if they don't want to make that VESA? Seems odd that you can't get a superior stand if you wanted to spend the $1000 for the XDR's stand and pair with the Studio Display; you'd have to buy a vastly more expensive display as well. The fact you can't swap the Studio Display's stands after the fact seems like extra work and manufacturing effort on Apple's part as well versus making it more modular.
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Well, the XDR stand is designed specifically for the XDR display, so is counterbalanced perfectly for its weight. Putting a smaller, lighter SD on it would throw the balance off. Whilst I agree the XDR stand is grossly overpriced, look at 'professional' display stands and arms etc. The better ones are generally not cheap, costing hundreds of pounds sometimes. The XDR stand is so much better to use than any other I've ever seen. It requires the minimum of effort to move the display exactly where you want it, rotate it or whatever. It's in a league of its own, as it's a completely integrated design, not a compromise. that's always going to cost more. I don't disagree with your overall point, but it's helpful to look at the details. A display stand that was more adjustable for particular displays, would involve more engineering, be bulkier, heavier and probably uglier.
 
Jensend said:
This display has a significantly higher native contrast ratio than any Apple LCD ever. 2000:1 is nearly twice the contrast ratio of the Studio display (though it will probably be a bit lower than 2000:1 when properly calibrated). Only the XDR, 12.9" iPad, and 14" and 16" MacBook Pro surpass the contrast ratio by using mini-LED backlighting.



Apple's PPI specs vary by a few PPI. That's not really a significant difference. (though I guess it may be a bit annoying if you want to put two different displays side by side.)
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This Dell uses LG's IPS Black panel, which essentially reduces the head-on IPS glow on black images (the weakest link of all IPS panels). So yes this is like a alternative way to achieve what miniLED could, since it still uses a constant edge lit backlight. But other than that, the panel display specs seems closer to the Studio Display than the 6k XDR.

Either way this product is interesting and I am sure some of us Mac owners will buy this. If it doesn't have scaling issue then it solves one of the major hinderance in like getting those conventional 27" 4k screens.
 
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tobybrut said:
This was something I hadn’t thought of because it was so normal. Every monitor I ever had had the same problem of not turning on reliably. I’ve had Dell, Alienware, Samsung, LG, BenQ, etc. and all them of them had the same issues. When AppleInsider did a review of the Studio Display and Andrew brought up that the best feature was that it always turned on, a light bulb turned on in my head making me realize I’d been putting up with crappy PC monitors that all had the same issue whether I was using HDMI, DisplayPort, Nvidia cards, or AMD cards. Whether I was using Windows 10 or Windows 11 or even Windows 7 or earlier, they ALL had the problem. It’s not macOS either, since PC monitors attached to Macs also exhibited the problem of not reliably turning on.

You get in the habit of not noticing because it happens so often and you dismiss it. It hadn’t occurred to me at all that it could be a feature until AppleInsider mentioned it as something that happened to him all the time. That’s when I realized I’d been having the same issues but ignored them. Think back and you might find you’ve been having the same problems forever but just mentally checked out of it as a problem.

It’s not a me issue. It’s a fundamental problem with monitors.
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It's not a fundamental issue, it's not even an issue. I and millions of others don't have this issue 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
UK-MacAddict said:
Never had an issue before with Dell monitors turning on slowly. Should check for faulty cabling or ports.

I think Apple are in trouble now other manufacturers are making quality displays. You can bet this thing won't cost £6000 like Apple are charing for basic displays.
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They are trying to claim it's an issue with all monitors and it's not.
 
Sharky II said:
Yes, I'm wondering if the whole top section is removable. It looks like that from the front/side, but doesn't look that way from behind, unfortunately.

I've been clinging onto my 30" ACD but have been tempted by some 32" 4K BenQ monitors, but the whole scaling thing (and price of XDR or ASD) has been off-putting.

Did we ever find out the price of this?
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It is one of my favorite things about the 27. So many people say they want a dumb display, and it suits those people perfectly. You still get nicely integrated web cam and high quality video conferencing setup, but it's all modular and removable. No apps, but plenty of features, the builtin KVM is really the killer thing for me.

I just wish it came in a nicer aluminum body like the apple displays. I was hanging onto an old 27 Cinema display for a solid decade before I got this, and that one did look nicer.
 
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nt5672 said:
Good to know that you're one of those form over function folks. But who cares what it looks like unless you are doing videos that are released to the public. Oh, that would be podcasts for a lot of folks that need the new hip word.
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Caring about form doesn't mean you are "one of those form over function" folks. There are plenty of monitors out there with more or less the same function. It's perfectly reasonable to choose another with a form you like better, and quite literally not be putting form over function at all.

But we get it, someone has different values than you and so are wrong.
 
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