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One thing I haven't been able to figure out is whether or not the music or vids users download with this M$ "service" will disappear if the software is removed. I think one of the things that mades iTunes so successful is the fact that if you get rid of iTunes the music doesn't vanish. If the music and vids disappear on an internal timer, M$ will flop. Either way, competition is good because it'll most certainly make Apple's iTMS even better.

just my 2¢ 😱
 
Good News

I was worried that we'd see Microsoft unveil some "secret weapon" against Apple's home media plans. It seems that they don't have one.
 
hyperpasta said:
I was worried that we'd see Microsoft unveil some "secret weapon" against Apple's home media plans. It seems that they don't have one.
I guess you haven't seen Gate's opening keynote speech at CES when he show off what Microsoft think will be the future or breaking point of digital age.
See it for your self. 🙁 Looks like a rip off of some SciFi gadgets/features that you see in movies, nothing to original.

Link: http://www.microsoft.com/events/executives/billgates.mspx
 
iPod is the hot ticket right now, but bottom line, all that sucker does is play music in a tight little software/hardware package. The video piece is a good development, but that screen is too damn small to be watching a TV show or feature length movie.

We need better access at home and MS has spent billions to get in. We'll see if it pays off.

I'm looking forward to true wireless access with very fast speeds. Until that happens, all this is just cute toy stuff.
 
It has a CHANCE of having success if it has compatiblity with the iPod. I kno alot of people with windows and ipods. I don't know a single person who has a different kind of mp3 player. Napster could also be successful if they do that.
 
I don't see any need to worry about Apple in the long term. Anything M$ does, Apple does better!!!🙂 The ONLY M$ product I have the URGE for is Vista MCE and it's upcoming CableCard and DirecTV support. I hope that Apple can come up with something better With HD and DVR capabilities then I would really buy that!!!😀
 
Maybe not from Apple, but it exists

Sport73 said:
I wish I had a box that could show me my photos, music, and movies navigated by remote control

Check out Roku's PhotoBridge HD. It can access photos, music, and movies stored on a Mac or PC (no special software required; just activate file sharing). The interface is solid and getting better with every revision and the system runs Linux and is very open. A number of third party apps already exist. Video quality is stunning. I compared a DVD played on a progressive scan player connected to the HD-ready inputs on my TV to a ripped file played via the PhotoBridge. No comparison. The PhotoBridge was far superior. It's a very excited product.

I wish I could record (like on my HD Tivo from DirecTV) and easily move that content from the living room to the bedroom and onto a portable device.

Have you checked out Elgato's offerings?

I wish I could download HD movies (current releases) direct to my TV, which I'd gladly pay at least $10 per film for...

I have to admit, I don't get the allure, not when it will take hours, even days, to download gigabytes worth of data (just how big is an HD movie anyway???). What's the point? Netflix or your local video store are a lot faster. Sure, SOMEDAY in the future, downloading large video files will be a killer app, but who really cares about this today? And who really wants to deal with the headache of slow servers and trying to transfers gigs over DSL or cable? Maybe in five years, but not today...
 
Lacero said:
Without an iPod killer, Urge will fail. I might be eating crow in a few years though, if Apple royally screws up not licensing Fairplay
I have to agree. While the service itself may be awesome, the fact is that there has yet to be a MP3 player that uses the Playsforsure technology that is as easy to use as the iPod.
 
Media Center Holy Grail

I didn't see the Gates keynote, but all of this paranoid talk about M$ trumping Apple is rather amusing. How long has M$ peddled the media center concept? How long has it been a failure? Jobs is smart. He recognizes that one of the key problems with the whole concept is the lack of integration with cable boxes or DirecTV systems. I'd never ditch my DirecTV with Tivo for some half-baked "media center", even if it came from Apple. Until Apple (or M$) can deliver a "media center" that connects to my DirecTV, I'm not budging. It sounds like M$ has struck a deal for CableCARD support. Needless to say, this is HUGE and will certainly help to make the "media center" concept more legit. Apple needs to strike a similar deal ASAP.

By all accounts, Tivo's relationship with DirecTV is on the outs. Why? Because DirecTV would rather roll its own PVR software (Linux, anyone?) than pay licensing fees to Tivo. Look at Dish Network. They offer a PVR, but it sure isn't Tivo. And the cable companies are starting to roll out boxes with PVR technology. None of these companies want to pay fees to Tivo, Apple, or M$.

The smartest thing for Apple to do now would be to develop additional devices (like the iPod) for home media. Create some sort of media server software that runs on the Mac and integrates with iTunes, iPhoto, and supports video as well. Add CableCARD support to the Mac (or the ability to tap into shows stored on the DirecTV, cable, or DISH PVR), and you have a winner. Then offer devices like the excellent Roku SoundBridge or PhotoBridge to access the media on the computer from anywhere in the home.

Connect an Apple video player to each TV and scroll through and select home movies, ripped DVDs, iTunes TV show purchases — whatever. Or connect an Apple audio player to each stereo and access the iTunes library on the server computer. Allow iPods to be updated from this central server rather than forcing the user to keep a music library on his or her desktop.

And, since this is a server-based scenario, allow multiple users (ie: the family) to access the media files, update the server, etc.

Give us an iPod with a bigger screen for watching video or carrying along our favorite iPhoto albums to show friends and family. Get rid of the actual scroll-wheel, make the screen touch-sensitive, and create a virtual scroll-wheel when the iPod is in music mode. Form factor could stay the same, but a screen covering the entire iPod would be more than adequate for viewing video in the subway or a plane or sharing photos. Add Bluetooth for transmitting audio and video data to enabled devices and you're ready to go. I'm not sure I get the desire for WiFi in the iPod. After all, updating the iPod via USB2 or FireWire will always be MUCH FASTER.

Back to the "media center"...I don't want to connect a Mac Mini to my TV. That's stupid. I want a headless server in a closet somewhere that serves content to my ENTIRE house. Content can be served to multiple devices without the need for multiple computers. The computer should store the data while network player devices should access it.

And, quite frankly, most of this is doable today. Between Roku and Elgato, all of the above is possible. I'm certain that Apple could deliver a more elegant solution — and I hope that they do. Perhaps M$ will get it right this time around. They're certainly coming out swinging — and that's good for Apple. A little competition never hurt anyone!

As for Urge, in a word, whatever. People buy iPods. If M$ really thinks that anyone is going to ditch his or her iPod for a WM-based player, they're delusional. The thing I don't understand is why MTV would make such a HUGE blunder and align themselves with M$. They should have struck a deal with Apple. Marry the MTV branding with iPod and you have an unstoppable force. Instead MTV has joined the ranks of all the other companies who are picking up the crumbs from Apple's plate.

Sure, Apple could falter, but their lead is SO HUGE that they have ample time to make the needed course corrections. M$ can only hope to play catch-up. If one of the geeky trends people like us argue about really takes off, Apple is in a far better position to exploit it than M$. That's Jobs's greatest strength. He knows how to distinguish something interesting, but ultimately not mainstream (yet), from technologies the public is ready to embrace and understand. He's proved that with the iPod and I belive he can do it again with the home "media center" concept. Ultimately it all comes down to the software and user experience. On these two fronts, if history is any indicator, I'd put my money on Apple.

2006 should be an interesting year in nerddom...
 
AidenShaw said:
Due to Longhorn's long gestation, several other things that were first seen or talked about in Longhorn ended up shipping first in OSX 10.4.

Of course, none of the OSX features were copied from the plans for Longhorn...

Sorry, but you should've said: "due to Longhorn's long gestation, MS was able to copy most things presented in Panther/Tiger by Apple, so that MS could ship them in the final version as well"...
 
Macrumors said:
Microsoft's upcoming revision to Windows called "Vista" will be the operating system for these machines.

Um, to be fair, Vista is lot more than a "revision," especially if you consider Jaguar, Pather, and even Tiger more than a 'revisions.'
 
iGary said:
As Lacero said, without iPod, and without iTunes, Urge will flop.
BRLawyer said:
Exactly. Bottomline? No, thanks...they are not competition to Apple right now, or for at least 2 more years.
Quillz said:
I have to agree.

Thank you, all. I realize I may very well be the smartest person who ever lived on Earth.

Here's to the Crazy Ones
 
MS's entry into this market shows their market research dept determined it is worthwhile to enter into it because of the potential market growth and profitability. I feel this is another MS's belated market entry (like they did with IE against Netscape, Xbox against Sony/Nintendo). As a late comer, MS should have seen what works and what does not work by looking at current Apple's performance and other players who tried but did not succeed in cracking the market).

I am guessing MS will spend the massive amount of money to drum up this new venture as they did with Xbox. They are after post Baby boomer generations to increase their market presence and revenues and this market (online media market) is mostly supported by post baby-boomer generations (teens, 20's, 30's). I think MS will bet on this market by introducing same products/services which are already in the market, with some enhancement or some integration with their Windows OS (to differentiate their offering from their competitors), even if they are losing money for the next 3 to 5 years (as long as they determine they will become profitable thereafter).
 
Lacero said:
Thank you, all. I realize I may very well be the smartest person who ever lived on Earth.

Here's to the Crazy Ones

Indeed, and I still love your picture with the tongue hanging out!
😛
 
Quillz said:
While the service itself may be awesome, the fact is that there has yet to be a MP3 player that uses the Playsforsure technology that is as easy to use as the iPod.
And if "Plays For Sure" ends up being the only technology that vendors support for moving their protected content to mobile devices (think: cable TV/satellite boxes, satellite/digital radio, downloadable movie services like the new Vongo, porn sites...), it isn't going to matter one bit that the iPod is easier to use.

The choice between "an easy to use MP3/video player that can't be used with anything but the iTMS" or a "harder to use MP3/video player that works with everything BUT the iTMS" isn't a hard choice.
 
BRLawyer said:
Sorry, but you should've said: "due to Longhorn's long gestation, MS was able to copy most things presented in Panther/Tiger by Apple, so that MS could ship them in the final version as well"...
That would be the claim preferred by the people who say that "Apple invented USB". 😀
 
A few thoughts...

While Vista looks nice and all, it is definitely a copy of OS X and I seriously doubt that Vista will be ready (at least with all the features that were shown) for some time. In addition, Vista is going to be a hardware and memory hog, and when you starting loading all the applications, security products, etc, it has potential to be pretty slow unless you are running it on state of the art hardware with several gigs of memory...

As a recent swticher, I can tell you there is no way I am ditching OS X to go back to Windows... I truly believe that OS X 10.5 will even further push Apple out front.

As far as Urge, I think what we will end up seeing is Urge competing with the likes of Rhapsody, and Napster and taking their marketshare. I think this past Christmas has proven that Apple iPod sales have not flatlined and the world wants more...
 
I remember when MTV was relevant

.... when MTV was an innovative, respected, vibrant, and
energetic force in music. Coming home from school and
rushing to turn on the television to watch the latest videos was
an exciting part of my teen years. There were exciting visuals
and it was a great entertainment form in its infancy.

MTV lost its way in the 90's. Now it has become a company that
peddles in self-involved pretentious twenty-somethings drama
queens, with all the permutations of the not-so-Real World. It
flaunts the ridiculous and absurd lifestyles of the rich and
farmous (for the moment in MTV Cribs). It has some stupid
show that rips off American Idol which ripped off Star Search. It
has a lame-ass Candid Camera rip-off hosted by Demi Moore's
husband. The thing has become junk, having little to do with
music, or the music industry, save the name and total request.
Horrible state of affairs.

I remember when MTV and music were this synergistic force in
marketing and showcasing music. Sure, some bands
complained that the visual media was hurting pure music - you
had to be photogenic as well as musical. Yet some bands simply
thrived... Talking Heads made incredibly innovative videos and
were musically respected on top of it. REM's "Losing My
Religion" is still one of the best videos ever. Peter Gabriel did
some amazing stuff with the medium. Back then MTV was a
marketing force, but there was some real flashes of innovation,
art, and creativity.

The problem seems to be that MTV couldn't figure out how too
sell enough commercials and liked the financial returns of a half
hour block of bad programming with all the tie-ins and fixed
blocks of commercials. Greed kills creativity.

Microsoft, unfortunately is more than a decade and a half too
late. MTV has become irrelevent in the world of music.
 
SkipNewarkDE said:
.... when MTV was an innovative, respected, vibrant, and energetic force in music.
I think that you'd find that most younger folks still find MTV to be everything that you think it isn't.

You (like most) have grown. MTV, however, is still targeting younger folks, and as the younger folks change, so does MTV.

Think back of your life as an early teen and compare that to the life of a current early teen. Wayyyyyyy different I bet. 🙂
 
BenRoethig said:
Unfortunately, that's all they have to do.

I disagree. Microsoft's stock has been flat for a long time and they have alot to lose with Vista. While true that the Xbox360 has generated a ton of press and decent sales, it is clear that there a huge number of folks (like all of Japan) waiting for the release of the PS3 before they buy their next console (myself included).

Microsoft is a much larger company than Apple and has much more market share than Apple with regards to Windows vs. OS X. They have much more to lose with Vista than Apple does with OS X. Apple has a harcore following of users who would most likely never switch to Vista no matter how great it looks, or how it performs. Microsoft has to convice millions of users that Vista is vastly superior to XP if users are going to pay big money to upgrade (although based on the hardware requirements I have seen most users will need to upgrade their PC's if they want to run Vista smoothly).

My personal opinion is that now matter how good Vista is when it is finally released, Apple will already have a superior OS to trump it with OS 10.5.
 
MacFan06 said:
The ONLY M$ product I have the URGE for is Vista MCE and it's upcoming CableCard and DirecTV support. I hope that Apple can come up with something better With HD and DVR capabilities then I would really buy that!!!😀

I saw that too. THe cable card thing along with the ability to rip HDDVDs is REALLY sweet. Hopefully, Apple get's off its butt and releases a Media center on Tuesday. I'm already saving up for when they do.
 
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