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Chamberlain Debuts Updated MyQ Smart Garage Hub With Better Connectivity

Kabeyun said:
This is a common post. Thing is, at that instant my security system’s alarm starts to shriek and the police automatically get called. Before that instant my motion detectors probably picked up the intruder, and, depending on my settings, turned on the exterior lights at a minimum. Can’t say the same thing about someone hacking my house from a van down the road.

You have 20+ year old information, although sadly some people with legacy equipment don’t realize this. After the mid-90s, GDOs, including my LiftMasters, were made using rolling codes, and the now-meme kid’s toy trick won’t work. The odds of the next RF impulse being the same as the last are less than 1:1,000,000. And a door with an actual “dumb” deadbolt lock stands between my garage and my home’s interior (see above), and can’t be opened by electronically-transmitted zeros and ones.

Again, I will never use these things. I can’t think of a single convenience they offer that’s either unavailable to me currently by safer means, or so vastly better as to be worth it. Light switches and televisions are one thing. Home access is quite another.
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Wow!
You feel that unsafe where you live that you believe or know people with the knowledge needed to circumvent these systems are just hanging around your house just waiting, waiting for you to slip up and then jackpot.
I get it. You have every right to your feelings. If you feel safer using the rolling garage door opener and then unlocking the door that leads from your garage into your house that is important. But just because you can't think of conveniences doesn't mean there aren't any. Maybe you don't have teenagers living with you. Maybe you have never heard of someone forgetting to close the garage door. Maybe you never heard of a teenager over sleeping. Wondering what time said teenager arrived home? Did they leave for school or work? Was it in time? Are all of these constant concerns/worries of mine? No. But it sure is convenient to have an app that shows me if the garage door is opened or closed and how long it has been that way.
You have your security concerns. Fine. Some, however, do find it to be highly convenient.
To each his own.
 
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Kabeyun said:
This is a common post. Thing is, at that instant my security system’s alarm starts to shriek and the police automatically get called. Before that instant my motion detectors probably picked up the intruder, and, depending on my settings, turned on the exterior lights at a minimum. Can’t say the same thing about someone hacking my house from a van down the road.

You have 20+ year old information, although sadly some people with legacy equipment don’t realize this. After the mid-90s, GDOs, including my LiftMasters, were made using rolling codes, and the now-meme kid’s toy trick won’t work. The odds of the next RF impulse being the same as the last are less than 1:1,000,000. And a door with an actual “dumb” deadbolt lock stands between my garage and my home’s interior (see above), and can’t be opened by electronically-transmitted zeros and ones.

Again, I will never use these things. I can’t think of a single convenience they offer that’s either unavailable to me currently by safer means, or so vastly better as to be worth it. Light switches and televisions are one thing. Home access is quite another.
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You have a home security system? Does your family tend to sleep in the garage? Because if they don’t, then once the intruders open the entry door from the garage into you house your alarms should be blaring. And your motion sensors should have triggered even before they got into your garage, even if they hacked your GDO from miles away. How is it that hacking your GDO manages to shutdown your entire security system?

Yiu should probably look at a new security system as it seems prone to ransom catastrophic failure. You also should move the family into the house. And seal your windows with bars and concrete. You’re risking your family.

And yea, they use rolling codes. You honestly think that’s any more secure than the encrypted communications these devices use? Do you wonder why modern communications use encryption instead of rolling codes? I get why someone wouldn’t understand the reasons but don’t try to sell me on it mathematically.
 
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Kabeyun said:
I will never connect a door lock or door opener to the internet unless the answer is true to the following question:
Would I bet my life and those of my family that these devices can’t be hacked?

can ≠ should
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Are you the type that won’t pay a bill over the internet but willing I onput a check in an envelope that contains your account and address information whilenit pass through how many strangers hands?
 
bruinsrme said:
Are you the type that won’t pay a bill over the internet but willing I onput a check in an envelope that contains your account and address information whilenit pass through how many strangers hands?
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I happily pay bills online. And I have fraud protection on my credit cards and bank. Someone steals my money and I get it back. I don’t get my life back though, which is why I have good home security and a shotgun.
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AZ63 said:
Wow!
You feel that unsafe where you live that you believe or know people with the knowledge needed to circumvent these systems are just hanging around your house just waiting, waiting for you to slip up and then jackpot.
I get it. You have every right to your feelings. If you feel safer using the rolling garage door opener and then unlocking the door that leads from your garage into your house that is important. But just because you can't think of conveniences doesn't mean there aren't any. Maybe you don't have teenagers living with you. Maybe you have never heard of someone forgetting to close the garage door. Maybe you never heard of a teenager over sleeping. Wondering what time said teenager arrived home? Did they leave for school or work? Was it in time? Are all of these constant concerns/worries of mine? No. But it sure is convenient to have an app that shows me if the garage door is opened or closed and how long it has been that way.
You have your security concerns. Fine. Some, however, do find it to be highly convenient.
To each his own.
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Certainly. We all have our own risk/benefit analysis here.
 
Kabeyun said:
I happily pay bills online. And I have fraud protection on my credit cards and bank. Someone steals my money and I get it back. I don’t get my life back though, which is why I have good home security and a shotgun.
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Certainly. We all have our own risk/benefit analysis here.
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Well if you have all that why would you never connect a door to the internet?
 
cere said:
You have a home security system? Does your family tend to sleep in the garage? Because if they don’t, then once the intruders open the entry door from the garage into you house your alarms should be blaring. And your motion sensors should have triggered even before they got into your garage, even if they hacked your GDO from miles away. How is it that hacking your GDO manages to shutdown your entire security system?

Yiu should probably look at a new security system as it seems prone to ransom catastrophic failure. You also should move the family into the house. And seal your windows with bars and concrete. You’re risking your family.

And yea, they use rolling codes. You honestly think that’s any more secure than the encrypted communications these devices use? Do you wonder why modern communications use encryption instead of rolling codes? I get why someone wouldn’t understand the reasons but don’t try to sell me on it mathematically.
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These connected locks & openers want to be on my front door as well. My bottom line is that I’d rather trust a human activity-detecting security system and my shotgun. Putting in a lock or opener connected to the internet adds a new weak link and no benefit in our use case. Behind your obvious irony, you’re suggesting that any lock is fine as long as you have a home security system. Fine. Not a compelling selling point though.
 
Kabeyun said:
These connected locks & openers want to be on my front door as well. My bottom line is that I’d rather trust a human activity-detecting security system and my shotgun. Putting in a lock or opener connected to the internet adds a new weak link and no benefit in our use case. Behind your obvious irony, you’re suggesting that any lock is fine as long as you have a home security system. Fine. Not a compelling selling point though.
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You keep moving the goal posts as your reasons get mooted.

Forget other locks and openers. Can you give even a single reason why this GDO would make your family less safe? That was your entire original FUD post, that they are at risk with a remotely accessible GDO.

Which, given your security description is only true if (A) you all sleep in the garage and (B) your security investment covers everything except those sleeping in the garage. Unless both of these are true then event point you’ve tried to put forward fails to support your FUD.
 
cere said:
If someone really wants to threaten my life and those of my family they could use a fairly low tech solution to circumvent the security on my home: a rock through the window successfully hacks the security of most home windows. Also a hammer or sturdy piece of wood.

Most GDOs operate by RF anyway which is certainly as susceptible to attack. Do you manually open and close your door garage door?
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Yeah this is pretty much the best response. Logically thinking, who really cares to hack a garage door in suburbia? lol
 
bruinsrme said:
Well if you have all that why would you never connect a door to the internet?
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Fair question. I just don’t feel comfortable connecting an opening to my home to the internet. If you can tell if your garage is open, someone else can too. Some exploit gets revealed and someone can batch open garages, or door locks. Even if they don’t enter my house I don’t want to come home one day to discover my door open. People rush to embrace these things because they’re neat, offer some convenience features, and are sold the idea that they’re safe and secure. But you don’t have to look back very far to find people discovering exploits all the time (like MiTM vulnerabilities) which usually are met with a variant of “Oops, we’ll fix that right away. Now it’s secure and we really mean it.” These are often tied to poor router stewardship, but not always.
 
Kabeyun said:
Fair question. I just don’t feel comfortable connecting an opening to my home to the internet. If you can tell if your garage is open, someone else can too. Some exploit gets revealed and someone can batch open garages, or door locks. Even if they don’t enter my house I don’t want to come home one day to discover my door open. People rush to embrace these things because they’re neat, offer some convenience features, and are sold the idea that they’re safe and secure. But you don’t have to look back very far to find people discovering exploits all the time (like MiTM vulnerabilities) which usually are met with a variant of “Oops, we’ll fix that right away. Now it’s secure and we really mean it.” These are often tied to poor router stewardship, but not always.
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If your garage opens does it not send you a notice, if you want one? Besides, they need to be on property to make use of an open garage and by that point they know if its open. I get what your saying but my reality is convenience is worth it. If you want in my house you can come around back in the fenced yard and work from there where less people will see you. I know a lot of people that don't lock their car because its cheaper/easier to let someone look through it than break the window.
 
Kabeyun said:
Fair question. I just don’t feel comfortable connecting an opening to my home to the internet. If you can tell if your garage is open, someone else can too. Some exploit gets revealed and someone can batch open garages, or door locks. Even if they don’t enter my house I don’t want to come home one day to discover my door open. People rush to embrace these things because they’re neat, offer some convenience features, and are sold the idea that they’re safe and secure. But you don’t have to look back very far to find people discovering exploits all the time (like MiTM vulnerabilities) which usually are met with a variant of “Oops, we’ll fix that right away. Now it’s secure and we really mean it.” These are often tied to poor router stewardship, but not always.
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I agree with the if I can see it so can someone else.
I am not a big fan of having entertainment devices on the internet. However, we are more entrenched into being connected than we realize.
With that I can’t begin to fathom how we are being watched.
5-515 am coffee
540-550 first hit on the toll transponder
630 - 645 last hit for the morning.
Cell tower changes
Car-tracks location gps signal used by weather updates and mapping.
Hotspots - recording hits on area devices as soon as you use one it pretty much knows it you.
Use Apple Pay ornother plastic it tracks your product usage for adverts.

I think someone pukehead driving by my house would see the garage door open before they would see it through the chamberlain
 
Is there a way to override Homekit’s restriction on running automations that “allow entry to home?” I would love to have this open/close the door automatically. I understand the potential security risks.
 
vipergts2207 said:
According to the amazon listing for the old sensor, it is not compatible with the new Smart Garage Hub. Doesn’t look like Chamberlain is selling the new sensors as a standalone item though.
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And they just confirmed the same in their forums. Now to see what the route is that allows control of two doors...
 
gsmornot said:
If your garage opens does it not send you a notice, if you want one? Besides, they need to be on property to make use of an open garage and by that point they know if its open. I get what your saying but my reality is convenience is worth it. If you want in my house you can come around back in the fenced yard and work from there where less people will see you. I know a lot of people that don't lock their car because its cheaper/easier to let someone look through it than break the window.
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Agreed. Your math works for you. It’s about balancing perceived risk versus actual conveniences. Some people don’t use VPNs because it can slow down their internet speeds, even though they know it’s a good idea for sensitive traffic.

Not sure how comforting it’d be to be out of town and notice I’d received an alert that my garage was now open. Personally, I intend to limit as much as possible my life’s infrastructure broadcasting its status, let alone enabling its operation, to the publicly curious. I read every day about entities that suffer security breaches at our expense, most recently Equifax. No individual is as enticing a target as that, but gizmos are never as secure as advertised. Even setting security aside, gremlins get into circuits all the time. Yesterday my wife called me to let me know that “the internet” was down. Turned out our router got wonky and needed a power cycle. Sometimes I need to reboot my Mac after a VPN session because outbound traffic gets stuck. Do I really want to deal with that stuff when opening a door? I’ll stay with “old” trusty instead of opening up a new can of worms (wirelessly, hah).
 
clazisme said:
And they just confirmed the same in their forums. Now to see what the route is that allows control of two doors...
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I have to think they'll put the new sensors up for sale as a standalone purchase just like the old ones. Probably just an oversight, or maybe they only have enough to supply with the hubs at the moment.
 
vipergts2207 said:
I have to think they'll put the new sensors up for sale as a standalone purchase just like the old ones. Probably just an oversight, or maybe they only have enough to supply with the hubs at the moment.
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Agreed. I know I can swing this so long as there's going to be a new sensor, but if I have to get a second hub or bridge, it'll be a no-go.
 
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