Chances for Macbook Pro Fall update? Speed, GPU

[Westyfield2]

Possibly a faster CPU as a BTO option in Autumn.

Sandy Bridge in early 2011 .



Though as always, if you're happy with the current specifications then just get and buy it!

 

[cili0]

and with early i mean january

 

[MacHamster68]

Laptop vs desktop performance usually has nothing to do with intentional sabotage by a manufacturer

They are simply two different design standards. Laptop design has more of an emphasis on low power consumption and small footprint than desktop design. This usually ensures that desktops are typically stronger than laptops. This is true even on a component level: a desktop i5 processor is not the same as a mobile i5 processor.

yes but most people would need a desktop because of the work they need to do , but also need a laptop when they are out and about for presentations and such , so dont necessary need a battery most of the time anyway ,but the cant or don't want to afford both laptop and desktop and try to fid a compromise and thats a relative high powered laptop like the MBP , so they would like to see the laptop with the same or even better performance as the desktop , which is just not possible , there only had been one good compromise found so far

this one

ok its a portable desktop with 3 displays that fold together for easy transport , and can take a full atx board and full graphics cards , downside weights 15 kilo , but still portable , but i think its a great idea , full atx means exchangeable parts , why apple cant make something like that out of the MacPro i dont understand i find it great and would certainly buy it over a iMac 27" and a MacBookPro , as most of the time i just need something portable but not necessary with Battery , from here dover in the car and then to my flat in germany all i would ever need , no multipe screens to store separate always with risc of breaking them as they are protected inside
and i like the 3 display layout as i love multiple small screens instead of one big one

 

[cili0]

yes but most people would need a desktop because of the work they need to do , but also need a laptop when they are out and about for presentations and such , so dont necessary need a battery most of the time anyway ,but the cant or don't want to afford both laptop and desktop and try to fid a compromise and thats a relative high powered laptop like the MBP , so they would like to see the laptop with the same or even better performance as the desktop , which is just not possible , there only had been one good compromise found so far

this one

ok its a portable desktop with 3 displays that fold together for easy transport , and can take a full atx board and full graphics cards , downside weights 15 kilo , but still portable , but i think its a great idea , full atx means exchangeable parts , why apple cant make something like that out of the MacPro i dont understand i find it great and would certainly buy it over a iMac 27" and a MacBookPro , as most of the time i just need something portable but not necessary with Battery , from here dover in the car and then to my flat in germany all i would ever need , no multipe screens to store separate always with risc of breaking them as they are protected inside
and i like the 3 display layout as i love multiple small screens instead of one big one

you forget to close the <\ironic> tag

 

[Hastings101]

I'm hoping they'll wise give us an ATI graphics card instead of Nvidia this time around.

 

[CaoCao]

Apple usually likes pattern, but lately Velve is doing good on Mac and maybe Apple will take into account the possibility to push to the next level the gaming experience on mac. About that i' wondering what netkas meant with his post here

But maybe he refers to desktop GPU.



i was referreing to hardware bug in general, the ones that can occur when you change architecture (PPC vs. C2D vs. Arrandale)



So in your opinion the enhancement in performance isn't worth an update. apart from the gain that an update will bring regarding the frequence (+133Mhz) what about Intel saying that Arrandale still have space for a lot of refinements?

cheers!

The difference between PPC and x86 makes C2D and Nehalem look identical

 

[cili0]

in conclusion it seems that apple hasn't enough room for an update: just 133Mhz for the CPU and i don't think they'll touch neither the GPU or the disk space.

My onyl fear is that they'll adopt SB months after its release, as happened for Arrandale. I don't know, for instance: SB available starting from January 11 and Apple adopting it in April/June 11.

AFAIK ATI doesn't support OpenCL and Adobe hasn't released yet a flash player that uses the hardware acceleration for ATI card on mac (actually for nothig but the newer nvidia card 9400,320,330).

ciao!

 

[Hellhammer]

AFAIK ATI doesn't support OpenCL and Adobe hasn't released yet a flash player that uses the hardware acceleration for ATI card on mac (actually for nothig but the newer nvidia card 9400,320,330).

OpenCL
requires one of the following graphics cards or graphics processors:

NVIDIA GeForce 320M, GeForce GT 330M, GeForce 9400M, GeForce 9600M GT, GeForce 8600M GT, GeForce GT 120, GeForce GT 130, GeForce GTX 285, GeForce 8800 GT, GeForce 8800 GS, Quadro FX 4800, Quadro FX5600

ATI Radeon HD 4670, ATI Radeon HD 4850, Radeon HD 4870, ATI Radeon HD 5670, ATI Radeon HD 5750, ATI Radeon HD 5770, ATI Radeon HD 5870

Also, Macs with ATI cards (I mean current Macs) don't really need hard ware accelerated Flash, they are powerful enough to work without (plus they have no battery so not really needed for longer battery life either)

 

[puma1552]

I haven't heard abut any other refinements for Arrandale than the minor speed bump that was released couple of week ago. Arrandale is going to be dead soon as Sandy Bridge is out in few months.

This is basic engineering--the second gen chips will be much better.

 

[grahamnp]

We have to consider that SB will be yet another brand new architecture with all the problems a brand new architecture brings. Adopting SB Apple will skip the intel tick for the arrandale series, which usually brings stability and further refinements.

This not an issue. Other manufacturers roll out updates within a few days of Intel's release so Apple would have no problem getting it out in time if they wanted to.

 

[FnuGk]

remember there is nothing called ATI anymore. The gfx cards will just go under the AMD name from here on

 

[lifeguard90]

despite the GPU name or minute changes, is there still possibility for update soon, as there is for the macbook air. if not, if apple decides to annoy the consumer world by not adopting sandy bridge or true high powered graphics cards until spring time neglecting its arrival possibly in January, then no need to wait. 1 year for updates of decent kind are unfortunate, Macs need a power boost and more attention from the over addressed idevices.

 

[CaptainCannabis]

MBA update next week.
MBP update January/Feb

 

[cili0]

Also, Macs with ATI cards (I mean current Macs) don't really need hard ware accelerated Flash, they are powerful enough to work without (plus they have no battery so not really needed for longer battery life either)

But power saving it's always welcomed on a laptop. BTW i give up in exposing myself again with any technical comment, hellhammer always succeed in highlights my mistakes

MBA update next week.
MBP update January/Feb

hopefully that seems the way. Hey Apple January not April!

 

[Hellhammer]

But power saving it's always welcomed on a laptop. BTW i give up in exposing myself again with any technical comment, hellhammer always succeed in highlights my mistakes

But currently all Apple laptops use a GPU that is supported by Flash' hardware acceleration Macs that use ATI GPUs are desktop ones. I'm sure Adobe will add support for more GPUs as the time goes by but it's reasonable that those GPUs got it first since they are the most popular ones.

 

[mrxak]

My MBP order got inexplicably delayed yesterday until a delivery date of October 18th. It was supposed to come on the 12th. Other than screwing me out of a week, I kind of wonder now what's going on.

While I wouldn't terribly mind if they were updating the line and I'll get some tweaked hardware when it arrives, at the same time I was perfectly happy with my specs as they were, and I need the laptop sooner rather than later. Grrrrr.

The timing seems similar to when the MBAs are supposed to be updated, which is what got me intrigued.

 

[cili0]

My MBP order got inexplicably delayed yesterday until a delivery date of October 18th. It was supposed to come on the 12th. Other than screwing me out of a week, I kind of wonder now what's going on.

While I wouldn't terribly mind if they were updating the line and I'll get some tweaked hardware when it arrives, at the same time I was perfectly happy with my specs as they were, and I need the laptop sooner rather than later. Grrrrr.

The timing seems similar to when the MBAs are supposed to be updated, which is what got me intrigued.

we'll see in a week if your prediction is right. A part from the CPU i was wondering about IPS, but as stated somewhere here in the forum, a IPS screen will consume to much power,right?

 

[CmdrLaForge]

we'll see in a week if your prediction is right. A part from the CPU i was wondering about IPS, but as stated somewhere here in the forum, a IPS screen will consume to much power,right?

I think there is IPS and IPS. Not all the same. The iPad has an IPS screen and runs forever.

 

[Osirison]

I think there is IPS and IPS. Not all the same. The iPad has an IPS screen and runs forever.

True, Apple uses eIPS (enhanced In Plane Switching) panels in their products, these enhanced panels require half the amount of power than H-IPS used in high grade photography monitors

 

[mrxak]

Okay, well, whatever the problem was, now Apple is saying (as of an hour ago) it's going to be shipped, and I'll get it by the 13th. The specs on the shipment notification thing look exactly as they did when I ordered it, so while this was an odd and irritating experience, it does not appear to be one that says anything about Apple's plans for the MacBook Pro line in the near future. Just as well, as far as I'm concerned, though the delay is fairly bizarre. Maybe one of the robots went crazy at the factory and took out a whole manufacturing line for a day but they weren't sure how long it would take to fix? I'd be curious if anybody else got delay messages warning of a six-day delay that didn't end up lasting six days...

Anyway, false alarm guys. Apple probably won't release updates to the MBP line until January or so like most predict.

 

[michial]

I was planning on buying an i5 or i7 this week but maybe I'll keep using iPad until more news comes out. If they update in a few months what is the resale if I bought a mbp today. Could I get 80% if it's still in mint condition and any suggestions on best way to resell. I want a mbp i7 now and if it's a worthy update soon I will resell.. Thanks

 

[Eddyisgreat]

I'm sure Adobe will add support for more GPUs as the time goes by but it's reasonable that those GPUs got it first since they are the most popular ones.

Apple is the one controlling the h.264 stuff needed on the cards that are needed for Adobe to exploit. They simply havn't for the older cards i.e. the 8600m gt:

The Video Decode Acceleration framework is a C programming interface providing low-level access to the H.264 decoding capabilities of compatible GPUs such as the NVIDIA GeForce 9400M, GeForce 320M or GeForce GT 330M. It is intended for use by advanced developers who specifically need hardware accelerated decode of video frames.

Assuming we're talking about video.

 

[Lambros]

As with every product...and I know this is plan obvious: there will always be a newer and better one. I dont think waiting 6 months when you need a laptop now is worth it. If you can wait for the next update, by all means do so, but dont expect a major revision in the GPU or CPU. If you get a major revision, that's great, but as we've seen in the recent 13", waiting for a major revision can very long.

That said, the 13" is worth the wait because C2D is an old processor. But if waiting for the 15", dont wait too long, because there is a chance the wait for SB will be just as long as the wait for Arrandale.

 

[g33]

i didnt think the i7 MBP came out when the i7 was actually released. wasnt there a few months delay?

 

[Lambros]

Well there were about four waiting for arrandale threads...if I remember correctly. Therefore, assuming Apple does wait until Sandy Bridge update, the next MacBook Pro (assuming they use SB) means we could potentially be waiting until around the time of Apple's last update (April). Note that Apple doesn't normally wait 12 months. So, my personal prediction is if there is no update on 20 October, 2010 as some are hoping, the next update I think should be expected in around April, 2011. A bump to the 13" would be nice, but then again there's all that stuff with Intel and nVidia