Re: Changes in Late 2003
I wouldn't take this literally until the October 15 Microprocessor Conference.
I wouldn't take this literally until the October 15 Microprocessor Conference.
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Changes in Late 2003
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Re: Re: Changes in Late 2003
Yes, it will be very interesting to see what IBM has to say about their new processor. If their "PowerPC derivative" is destined for the Macintosh platform, what, if anything, will IBM be able to say about that development, given Apple's tendency for prefering to be the first and last word on what will be gracing the Macintosh line of computers? I doubt we will hear anything as earth-shattering as "And now the processor heretofore known as the GPUL will be called the G5."
RL
Originally posted by Shrek
I wouldn't take this literally until the October 15 Microprocessor Conference.
Yes, it will be very interesting to see what IBM has to say about their new processor. If their "PowerPC derivative" is destined for the Macintosh platform, what, if anything, will IBM be able to say about that development, given Apple's tendency for prefering to be the first and last word on what will be gracing the Macintosh line of computers? I doubt we will hear anything as earth-shattering as "And now the processor heretofore known as the GPUL will be called the G5."
RL
Re: Re: Cost of upgrading......vs....performance
Hog Wash! 2k is based on NT, which goes back to its creators' VMS roots. XP is stable, yes its more bloated than 2k. (Which loses the UI speed of NT 4) but it is stable.
Hog Wash! 2k is based on NT, which goes back to its creators' VMS roots. XP is stable, yes its more bloated than 2k. (Which loses the UI speed of NT 4) but it is stable.
Re: Re: Re: Cost of upgrading......vs....performance
We are talking WXP Professional. There are plenty of sites around that report all kinds of problems with it. XP is based off 2K, but they introduced a lot of bugs in the bloat ware. Remember that this is my experience with XP. I have both OS's and I find XP to be a major problem. Your experience is obviously different.
You're the only person I've heard that has positive things to say about it. Most people I know are Windows users (unfortunately) and those with XP complain about compatibility issues and crashes. Many of us have stayed with W2K.
We are talking WXP Professional. There are plenty of sites around that report all kinds of problems with it. XP is based off 2K, but they introduced a lot of bugs in the bloat ware. Remember that this is my experience with XP. I have both OS's and I find XP to be a major problem. Your experience is obviously different.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Cost of upgrading......vs....performance
22 computers, and this shuttle is the 23. No problems except w/ the aureal based soundcards.
22 computers, and this shuttle is the 23. No problems except w/ the aureal based soundcards.
I have WinXP. I'm BSOD'd at least once a day and some programs don't work properly in XP; they freeze a lot. It sucks.
XP..... define stable
I have only briefly used three XP systems. Two crashed when trying to use or install USB ports. I used NT for years and occasionally crashed it. Based on my experience and antidotal stories from friends who have XP and have been either 95 or 98 users I would say the jury is still out on whether XP is an improved stability system or not.
I was surprised how much processor it takes for the interface to feel completely snappy. My first experience with XP was on a 1.xghz Dell and there were times when the interface delay was quite noticable.
I have a friend who has some 2.x ghz machines and a dual 1.25ghz Mac. He says there are several occasions when the Mac hesitates. He also describes the PC's as pretty snappy.
They have three XP machines and three OS X machines. They have not crashed an OS X machine yet and have crashed XP a couple of times.
The last XP I crashed, a Dell, had to be unplugged from the wall to get it to restart. The power on/off button wouldn't even work.
Is this a tortise and hare thing between Mac and PC's.
I have only briefly used three XP systems. Two crashed when trying to use or install USB ports. I used NT for years and occasionally crashed it. Based on my experience and antidotal stories from friends who have XP and have been either 95 or 98 users I would say the jury is still out on whether XP is an improved stability system or not.
I was surprised how much processor it takes for the interface to feel completely snappy. My first experience with XP was on a 1.xghz Dell and there were times when the interface delay was quite noticable.
I have a friend who has some 2.x ghz machines and a dual 1.25ghz Mac. He says there are several occasions when the Mac hesitates. He also describes the PC's as pretty snappy.
They have three XP machines and three OS X machines. They have not crashed an OS X machine yet and have crashed XP a couple of times.
The last XP I crashed, a Dell, had to be unplugged from the wall to get it to restart. The power on/off button wouldn't even work.
Is this a tortise and hare thing between Mac and PC's.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cost of upgrading......vs....performance
Apparently you have many more computers than I running XP so you'd have more expereince than I do with XP. Kudo's on your success to gettin it to run solid.
I'd give you a whole bunch of Kudo's if those 23 machines were Mac's.
That's a pretty damn good. Everything I've bought supposedly is WXP certified, but like the last poster, I have crashes. Anything but the basic applications can cause problems. Whenever I work with multimedia, problems seem to occur. Word processing, no problem, and spreadsheets, no problem, anything more intense, problem.
Apparently you have many more computers than I running XP so you'd have more expereince than I do with XP. Kudo's on your success to gettin it to run solid.
I'd give you a whole bunch of Kudo's if those 23 machines were Mac's.
My wife has used a sony viao with XP since last year and i think we only had problems when i was trying to set up a wireless network for her. The drivers were in beta and they jacked her cpu up. She does very little by way of cpu intensive programs. So its great for her. But my Ti PB 667 eats her viao for lunch when it comes to photoshop and we cant even get her video editing software to work. When we have some more $$ bling bling she wants a mac. Hmmmm,, new PBs in January. Looks like she might get my old one
I've been using XP since it's release and found it to be perfectly stable and compatable with all the main software and hardware I use. A 100% improvement over the glitchy W2K.
The only issues I've had are it likes the latest VIA 4 in 1 drivers (anyone that's getting regular crashes should update these if they have a VIA chipset motherboard) and, as mentioned elsewhere, my old Aureal sound card refusing to work properly (Aureal had gone bust before XP was released).
Which is more than I can say for OS X. OS X is very stable, looks great and may well turn out to be the best OS in the long run, but until scanners and SCSI cards are better supported it throws up more problems than XP at the moment. (And no, I am not keen on ditching £1600's worth of two year old scanners just to use OS X).
The only issues I've had are it likes the latest VIA 4 in 1 drivers (anyone that's getting regular crashes should update these if they have a VIA chipset motherboard) and, as mentioned elsewhere, my old Aureal sound card refusing to work properly (Aureal had gone bust before XP was released).
Which is more than I can say for OS X. OS X is very stable, looks great and may well turn out to be the best OS in the long run, but until scanners and SCSI cards are better supported it throws up more problems than XP at the moment. (And no, I am not keen on ditching £1600's worth of two year old scanners just to use OS X).
I've been using XP for a while and I find it quite stable - in fact the most stable OS I have installed on my PCs (1.2Ghz Athlon, 366mhz PII laptop). IMHO because of the MASSIVE variety of hardward you find in the PC world, incompatibility issues are going to be there to some extent.
For me, XP is the first version of windows where I have been able to install and it automatically detects the majority of my peripherals. Recognises the (oldish) soundcard. Detects my dual-head matrox video card. Works with my printer straight away. I've also had less crashes with it than win2k (mostly buggy drivers for the video card, but that's matrox's fault). My PII laptop had about 22 days of uptime before I had to reboot it after installing some software - and I was running IIS (now THAT is bloatware), photoshop, and playing DVDs on it.
I find that I have very few problems with windows PCs (at least my own - I have limited tweaking rights to my work PC).. They DO require a slightly higher base knowledge though I think. If you know what you're doing, you should do fine on either platform.
From my limited OS X experience, it is a great OS but seems to concentrate too much on being pretty. still saving up for a powerbook though I figure I can't be an objective judge unless I have a foot planted firmly in each camp.
Um. what was the thread topic again?
For me, XP is the first version of windows where I have been able to install and it automatically detects the majority of my peripherals. Recognises the (oldish) soundcard. Detects my dual-head matrox video card. Works with my printer straight away. I've also had less crashes with it than win2k (mostly buggy drivers for the video card, but that's matrox's fault). My PII laptop had about 22 days of uptime before I had to reboot it after installing some software - and I was running IIS (now THAT is bloatware), photoshop, and playing DVDs on it.
I find that I have very few problems with windows PCs (at least my own - I have limited tweaking rights to my work PC).. They DO require a slightly higher base knowledge though I think. If you know what you're doing, you should do fine on either platform.
From my limited OS X experience, it is a great OS but seems to concentrate too much on being pretty. still saving up for a powerbook though
I figure I can't be an objective judge unless I have a foot planted firmly in each camp.Um. what was the thread topic again?