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In 5 years Apple and Android pay will dominate. No one is go going to use systems that give businesses user information. People are obsessed with privacy and phone payments provide privacy.

I disagree. Many, many people like getting store awards and targeted coupons. You'd have to be nuts not to take advantage of such savings.

Heck, many of us frequent the same stores and restaurants EXACTLY BECAUSE THEY KNOW US WELL, and treat us accordingly.

Being anonymous is not beneficial to most people.

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As for purchasing privacy, banks have long sold targeted advertising spots and aggregate shopping data. That hasn't changed one bit with Apple Pay.

In fact, a main reason why banks pay Apple is because Apple Pay allows our purchase info to continue to flow to them... while cutting out the merchant.

The biggest difference is, now the merchants have to pay the banks to target us, instead of being able to do it on their own.
 
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Chase also has a separate app to redeem credit card bonuses. Why can't it be built in to their primary app?? They also won't send me a new chip card because it will come when my card expires next spring. They just seem like a very clunky bank in many different ways...
 
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Apple Pay is secure. Samsung pay is a maybe but Google Pay will be equally secure as apple pay. So MCX just needs one nice hack and it is over.
 
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I refuse to buy anything from anyone that doesn't take Apple Pay.

Yeah that's not going to be realistic for at least a couple of years. In the US anyway.

Anyone who claims to use that crap is a liar anyways.

Used it at Best Buy the other day. Not lying, either.

Even Apple Pay is off to a slow start and it's a quicker and easier than swiping your card.

Eh, it's about the same as swiping if you use a phone. Definitely faster using the Apple Watch though.

In 5 years Apple and Android pay will dominate. No one is go going to use systems that give businesses user information. People are obsessed with privacy and phone payments provide privacy.

Companies need to realize that their old business model revolving around the collection of customer information is fading. The future is secured anonymous payments. It is what it is.....all of these other systems will wash to shore and stubborn companies like Walmart will lose a lot of money in time due to them not accepting phone payments. Eventually they'll have to raise the white flag, even though it pains them to do so.

Privacy and security aren't selling points in the US because people don't care much about either. The former because tons of people are perfectly willing to give out tons of data to get 20 cents off a single item, and the latter because consumers have zero liability for card fraud. Perceived convenience is going to be the big driver behind its adoption, and if people don't consider chip inconvenient, they won't bother.

That said, chip the way the US implemented it takes much longer than elsewhere.
 
Apple Pay is secure. Samsung pay is a maybe but Google Pay will be equally secure as apple pay. So MCX just needs one nice hack and it is over.

I think Samsung Pay has a better chance in the US than Apple Pay, to be honest. At least for now. Retailers are really resistant to the idea of NFC and I can see them leaving it disabled even on their new terminals that have NFC hardware for as long as possible. At least retailers can't realistically turn off their magstripe readers any time soon and Samsung's MST technology has been shown to work even if the terminal has EMV support turned on.
 
I cant see businesses getting setup to scan a barcode for payment. most scanners would not work with scanning a phone. samsung pay is the only more universal solution and they are dog slow about getting banks setup. only android pay can use most cards.
 
I think Samsung Pay has a better chance in the US than Apple Pay, to be honest. At least for now. Retailers are really resistant to the idea of NFC and I can see them leaving it disabled even on their new terminals that have NFC hardware for as long as possible. At least retailers can't realistically turn off their magstripe readers any time soon and Samsung's MST technology has been shown to work even if the terminal has EMV support turned on.

agreed. just tried samsung pay over the weekend and <3 it. works everywhere. there are lot of small restaurant and shop that don't take apple/android pay.
 
I work in the credit card payment industry. The MCX Consortium is quite frankly the worst implementation of any system out there. The majority of merchants are going to need EMV compatible devices anyway for the EMV chip card liability shift, and 99% of the EMV compatible devices are coming with NFC for Apple/Android Pay anyway.
 
Dear Chase,

If you abandon Apple Pay, I will abandon you. You lose.

- A paying customer of yours
This just in! I shared your remarks on Twitter.
 

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I disagree. Many, many people like getting store awards and targeted coupons. You'd have to be nuts not to take advantage of such savings.

Heck, many of us frequent the same stores and restaurants EXACTLY BECAUSE THEY KNOW US WELL, and treat us accordingly.

Being anonymous is not beneficial to most people.

--

As for purchasing privacy, banks have long sold targeted advertising spots and aggregate shopping data. That hasn't changed one bit with Apple Pay.

In fact, a main reason why banks pay Apple is because Apple Pay allows our purchase info to continue to flow to them... while cutting out the merchant.

The biggest difference is, now the merchants have to pay the banks to target us, instead of being able to do it on their own.

The question is, do merchants pass along line item level detail to the banks or do the banks just know you spent X amount at Y Retailer on Z day? Serious question because I can't find info anywhere, but I have been of the belief that retailers (especially the largest like Walmart and Target) keep that data in-house. If all the banks know is that I spent money somewhere but don't know what, I am ok with that.
 
Why????? I'm already using Apple Pay for chase. If they stop doing it they will lose out... Wtf were they thinking.
 
QR codes. Brilliant! I mean I guess this idea came from someone who has never used QR codes on a phone. It's not too bad when inside a store, although still clunky. But try that stuff in a drive-thru. That big ball of nuclear fusion kind of messes up optical scanning. NFC? Not so much.
 
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I seriously cannot tell if this is trolling or if Chase *actually believes* that there is *anything wrong* with Apple Pay that they can improve upon with their proprietary inferior solution. I just can't even.

Dear Chase, how do you plan on improving this experience exactly?

1) Enroll your credit/debit cards from a multitude of different banks into Apple Pay.
2) Hold your iPhone or Apple Watch near the credit card reader to pay.

There must be a better way!!!! Involving QR codes!!!111 And limited to a single bank!!!1!
 
IT Guy: Hey Boss, I know that our cards are supported on Apple Pay, and it's a convenient, secure and simple way for our customer to use them. But we have developed this confusing, kludgy competitor that is less secure and less user friendly.

Boss: Cool, let's do it.

Customer: Yawn.

Situation not a binary either/or. More realistic way of looking at:

{IT Guy walks in on boss lighting cigar with $100 bill}

IT Guy: "Hey Boss, we're covered on Apple Pay/Android Pay/Samsung Pay/Chip&Pin and now QR Codes as well. So no matter how our customers choose to pay, we get a cut."

{Boss blows smoke ring and puts out cigar on intern's hand}

Boss: "Egg-cellent." (it helps if you read that in Monty Burns voice)

Customer: {Yawns}

{Boss sees customer yawn on CCTV feed}

{Forecloses on customer}

In all seriousness. Apple Pay has limited reach. Chase wants their cards available for every form of electronic payment. QR codes is just one more iron in the fire along with AP/AP/SP and chip and pin.
 
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Really? So in addition to Apple fans vs. Android fans, now we have to have cash fans trolling? Well a) who the f still uses cash in 2015 when avoidable? You don't get any added value from using cash, and in many ways its just less secure, less convenient, and annoying to everyone involved in a transaction.
Also, I love 19th-century arguments! let's get back on the gold standard!

Last time I was at the strip bar, the girl got really pissed when I tried to stick my iPhone in her panties, so, yeah, some of us still use cash occasionally. How was I to know she didn't have an NFC scanner somewhere up there?
 
I was honestly excited because I thought it might speed up NFC readers in stores. I'm not sure how Chase is in the US, but in Canada they also provide POS terminals. Then I read that it'll be QR based.
 
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