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Yeah, well in America, you can tell psychos who try telling you what to do to **** off. That’s part of the beauty of this country.
Are you sure about that?

As an outsider, the US looks like a worse place. At least in China, you already know what you should/should not do. It's clear. OTOH the US, a country that claim "freedom of speech," is cancelling speech left and right just because it's not aligned with the ruling party's narrative. Hypocrisy at its best.
 
That’s definitely untrue. Not all governments around the world aspire to be authoritarian regimes led by pseudo communist parties that fully embrace capitalism.

As soon as feasible, all western countries lifted lockdown measures. There is zero proof for your conspiracy view that all these governments worldwide were planning a coup.

Clearly, there are plenty of people walking around that want to install an authoritarian regime and overthrow elections. And if such people are in office, you have a big problem. The main thing you can do, is vote wisely.
LOL. Look at Canada, Australia, the whole Western Europe, and even the US, and what they were enforcing/trying to enforce in the name of "health and science." Look at the kind of people in the leadership position in those countries. They all basically want to be like China, but doesn't know how to do it right, so they botched a lot of their own mandates. Now most of them are just giving up since they don't know what to do next.
 
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Are you sure about that?

As an outsider, the US looks like a worse place. At least in China, you already know what you should/should not do. It's clear. OTOH the US, a country that claim "freedom of speech," is cancelling speech left and right just because it's not aligned with the ruling party's narrative. Hypocrisy at its best.
I’m not a defender of American cancel culture by any stretch but it pales in comparison to the long-established censorious Chinese political climate. Frankly I have no idea what you are trying to say with this comment and comparison when I and many other Americans actively try to resist the Chineseification of our country.

Thanks for your cognitively-dissonant and unnecessary “outsider” opinion, though.
 
Don’t think China is forcing apple to sideload. So I agree with the way apple is handling its affairs.
Your comment is not responsive to my post so I'm not sure what you mean. But, in any event, I am glad you think that Apple should be manufacturing a large portion of its product portfolio in a country that openly states it opposes the United States and western values generally (e.g., human rights, political expression, free speech, free markets, etc.) but I certainly do not agree with you.

As for sideloading ... I agree that China is not responsible. Who cares?
 
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Zhengzhou city in China today implemented lockdowns near Foxconn's main iPhone manufacturing facilities, which could ultimately impact Apple's supply chain, reports Bloomberg.

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Some areas in the Zhengzhou Airport Economy Zone have been placed under quarantine effective immediately, and people in the area must stay in their homes and are not permitted to leave. The Airport Economy Zone is where Foxconn's largest iPhone assembly plant is located, and the lockdown comes after employees have been undergoing mandatory Covid testing.

China has been implementing lockdowns in an attempt to curb the spread of the coronavirus, and these efforts could have an impact on Apple device manufacturing. At this time, there appear to be no iPhone or iPad delays, but Apple has been battling MacBook Pro shortages. Apple suppliers Pegatron and Quanta have also recently halted production in eastern China due to Covid restrictions.

Back in March, Foxconn was forced to suspend production for several days in Shenzhen following a city-wide lockdown that prevented residents from leaving their homes. The shutdown lasted just a couple of days before Foxconn was able to resume production, with employees living and working at the factory in bubble arrangements.

Article Link: China Implements Lockdowns Near Main Foxconn iPhone Manufacturing Plant
Some say this is fake news. others astounded as ham-handed Chinese power covid lockdowns slam manufacturing and even get some of the docile Chinese workers to squeak out some risky, mild protests.
 
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Your comment is not responsive to my post so I'm not sure what you mean. But, in any event, I am glad you think that Apple should be manufacturing a large portion of its product portfolio in a country that openly states it opposes the United States and western values generally (e.g., human rights, political expression, free speech, free markets, etc.) but I certainly do not agree with you.
Yes. I agree China is able to ramp up to hundreds of millions and down to zero in the. Link if an eye and is a very good place to manufacture apple products. In addition, Foxconn workers get paid a good wage relatively speaking. Pick your narrative. (Oh and do western values mean the ability so shoot up your neighbor?)
As for sideloading ... I agree that China is not responsible. Who cares?
Me and others who claim to care.
 
Yes. I agree China is able to ramp up to hundreds of millions and down to zero in the. Link if an eye and is a very good place to manufacture apple products. In addition, Foxconn workers get paid a good wage relatively speaking. Pick your narrative. (Oh and do western values mean the ability so shoot up your neighbor?)

Me and others who claim to care.
No offense but I do not think your posts are responsive to anything I have said. Foxconn is a great manufacturer ... world leading in fact. But I never said anything about Foxconn. My comments concerned the place of manufacture, which is China, and other comments had to do with the neglected state of the Chinese healthcare system. So, it is not clear to me that the two narratives you asked me to picked from have anything whatsoever from the facts or opinions I have outlined in any of my previous comments.

So the short version of my opinion is the Apple should dramatically reduce it's dependence on manufacturing in China (not Foxconn) and that lock downs in China primarily are driven by the CCP's concern for political control not public health. With respect, I take it you do not agree with me, but it is not clear why you disagree or how you rebutted anything I actually said.
 
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LOL. Look at Canada, Australia, the whole Western Europe, and even the US, and what they were enforcing/trying to enforce in the name of "health and science." Look at the kind of people in the leadership position in those countries. They all basically want to be like China, but doesn't know how to do it right, so they botched a lot of their own mandates. Now most of them are just giving up since they don't know what to do next.
Again, there’s zero proof for your conspiracy theories. As soon as the pandemic calmed down, restrictions were lifted. Three times in two years in my country in Western Europe. Any unnecessary measures would be unconstitutional and heavily fought in courts. Successfully.

In my country we don’t have a bankrupt two party system like for instance in the US, but a multi party system with a strong opposition. In a healthy democracy, this also creates additional checks.

But, obviously, nothing is bulletproof. The real danger is those parties that play the long game. That poison the minds with propaganda, that undermine education, that make it harder to vote, that claim elections were fraudulent and won’t accept results, that try to rig the system.
 
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No offense but I do not think your posts are responsive to anything I have said. Foxconn is a great manufacturer ... world leading in fact. But I never said anything about Foxconn. My comments concerned the place of manufacture, which is China, and other comments had to do with the neglected state of the Chinese healthcare system. So, it is not clear to me that the two narratives you asked me to picked from have anything whatsoever from the facts or opinions I have outlined in any of my previous comments.

So the short version of my opinion is the Apple should dramatically reduce it's dependence on manufacturing in China (not Foxconn) and that lock downs in China primarily are driven by the CCP's concern for political control not public health. With respect, I take it you do not agree with me, but it is not clear why you disagree or how you rebutted anything I actually said.
I think if Apple reduces its dependence on manufacturing in China, the government there would take note and would purposely reduce Apple's ability to sell products there. It's a land of over a billion people and as a corporation, Apple wants to continuously tap into that and grow there.
 
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No offense but I do not think your posts are responsive to anything I have said. Foxconn is a great manufacturer ... world leading in fact. But I never said anything about Foxconn. My comments concerned the place of manufacture, which is China, and other comments had to do with the neglected state of the Chinese healthcare system. So, it is not clear to me that the two narratives you asked me to picked from have anything whatsoever from the facts or opinions I have outlined in any of my previous comments.

So the short version of my opinion is the Apple should dramatically reduce it's dependence on manufacturing in China (not Foxconn) and that lock downs in China primarily are driven by the CCP's concern for political control not public health. With respect, I take it you do not agree with me, but it is not clear why you disagree or how you rebutted anything I actually said.
No offense taken, none at all; especially for posts that are respectful in nature.

I believe even apple understands it has to diversify its supply chain and manufacturing.

But drastically reduce manufacturing capacity in China I do not believe will happen; and I pointed out the positives of manufacturing in China which I believe make it difficult for most of the world to leave.
 
I think if Apple reduces its dependence on manufacturing in China, the government there would take note and would purposely reduce Apple's ability to sell products there. It's a land of over a billion people and as a corporation, Apple wants to continuously tap into that and grow there.
The addressable market for Apple is not a billion people. It's products are way too expensive. But I get your point and we do live in a free market. On the other hand, as Europe is discovering, there is a cost of doing business with a country that is not your ally, and by their own words and conduct, are perhaps an enemy. The cost is that the western world is willingly fueling a war machine that targets western interests.
 
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Covid will never go away. Everyone should know this by now.

It will be just like the seasonal flu, it appeared around 1918, it mutates every year, you get a flu shot or you catch it and in about 4 days you get rid of it. They should have figured that out by now. Also, boosters may become a yearly thing for a while.
 
It will be just like the seasonal flu, it appeared around 1918, it mutates every year, you get a flu shot or you catch it and in about 4 days you get rid of it. They should have figured that out by now. Also, boosters may become a yearly thing for a while.
You skipped the part about 40-70,000 people dying from the flu in the US every year.
 
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This is even more reason for Apple to set up more global production centres. Added to the fact that China haven’t condemned the war in Ukraine.

I know they’ve moved some lines to India, wider backup like this is much needed. The overall plan should be to move out of China for good. China will be next claiming territory after they have seen Russia try this.

It‘s a proxy war and the US is the only winner in this.

Do you really think it’s in China’s best interest to condom or sanction Russia given the behaviour of the US since the end of the Cold War?
 
That’s definitely untrue. Not all governments around the world aspire to be authoritarian regimes led by pseudo communist parties that fully embrace capitalism.

As soon as feasible, all western countries lifted lockdown measures. There is zero proof for your conspiracy view that all these governments worldwide were planning a coup.

Clearly, there are plenty of people walking around that want to install an authoritarian regime and overthrow elections. And if such people are in office, you have a big problem. The main thing you can do, is vote wisely.

Justin Trudeau and Donald Trump both specifically said that.
 
Your comment is not responsive to my post so I'm not sure what you mean. But, in any event, I am glad you think that Apple should be manufacturing a large portion of its product portfolio in a country that openly states it opposes the United States and western values generally (e.g., human rights, political expression, free speech, free markets, etc.) but I certainly do not agree with you.

As for sideloading ... I agree that China is not responsible. Who cares?

When trade stops, war starts.

I still want to live.
 
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China was ahead of the world when it came to COVID policy. It looks like they are now one of the few countries left that are behind.

If you let all the old and vulnerable die, like in the US, of course you are all set…

President Xi is not willing to let around 3.2 million Chinese die, which is the estimated casualty, if China adopts a similar COVID policy as the West.

3.2 million out of 1.4 billion, that can be your parents.
 
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my family members work in the top 4 USA hospitals. They work in the rough units (ICU). two of them got the original virus and it was rough but they refused the boosters at all costs. Hospitals made deadlines for boosters and threatened job loss but the workers are going against boosters and they keep extending deadline because they need the workers. Ive been told from the beginning that the people suffering and worse were mainly elderly and fat diabetics. When the CDC data got published, sure enough there is a high percentage of Diabetics on the statistics. I didn't like how news never talked about actual detailed statistics and people fell for it. I myself also got teh original bad version of the virus and took it like a champ but for months before getting it, I was working out outside at the beach every other day. I truly believe that eating healthy, exercise and sunlight could prevent many of these numbers. I never got vaccine and need will but I did double down on the health lifestyle

Can you still have babies? People say it affects men’s fertility.
 
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Except Uyghurs. And everyone who disagrees with the government.

Except the people who are subversive or are foreign agents, and no longer act in the best interest of China.

I think it’s illegal to be subversive in the US as well. Think Patriot Act
 
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