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Innovation is good in Huawei phones. Check their latest foldables.
Do you still believe that “they are spying on us” story?. Really?. No evidence has been found and most serious analyst concluded that it was a “punishment” to China due to the commercial imbalance with US. The “Spying” myth is just that.
If anything USA, google and meta have the same rights (and does it) to spy on your communications.
 
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This just gives more fuel to Apple in the potentially upcoming anti-trust lawsuit. If Apple struggles with competition, then they can't be singled out as being the cause for problems for other competitors.

Antitrust matters are usually country or region specific so Huawei's success in China wouldn't necessarily change the situation in the U.S., EU, Japan, etc. Also, much of Apple's antitrust issues are related more to its dominance in mobile OS and/or tablet OS as part of a duopoly with Android. However, if Huawei were able to gain significant traction (especially with an exclusive OS) in markets outside of China, it may ease antitrust issues for Apple (iOS) and Google (Android) in those markets in the future. The question is when or if that will happen.
 
All Huawei has to do is copy Apple without the development cost. Of course they are winning.
You wish!. Huawei has more patents than Apple every year (check statista webpage).
The best cameras are in Huawei phones, not IPhones, check DXO website. Huawei has 5 foldable generations of phones, while Apple has none, and in the “Vision pro” department Apple will ignore the royalties that it should pay HW for me it’s related patents (google patents news about Vision Pro). In the beginning all cell companies copies the smartphone idea.
 
Does any of it matter? Companies have been viewing countries as juristictions to be navigated rather than an entity in and of itself. Apple are a worldwide company in every sense of the word. They are as much chinese as they are Indian, European and American. It would be better to call them a 'Terran' company for all the good it would do.

Of course it matters. Did you read what led up to what you quoted? The original author was implying apple had sold out and was being run by the Chinese and hence was a 'Chinese company.' I asked for proof of this.

Not sure what you are trying to suggest in calling Apple a 'Terran company.' Yes it has sales world wide. Yes it has to comply with regulations outside of the U.S., but no, it doesn't comply with any 'Terran' regulations. It complies with regulations of individual countries (and the EU). That makes it multi-national. That is relevant but doesn't make it 'Terran.' First and foremost, Apple IS a company headquartered in the US with products designed first for the US market. All the products are released in the US first. Not meaning to minimize the rest of the world, but you are wrong to say they are as much Chinese, Indian, European as American just because they sell products to those places.
 
Well that's nonsense for a start...
What nonsense?

Are you saying that's not true that apple restricts its market on all first releases or that you don't agree with the policy Apple primarily releases to a small handful of countries first (or sometimes like the AVP to the US first)? If there was one united world, perhaps then it would be nonsense, but it's not a united world. And there are supply chain constraints, Apple simply can't make and ship the volume of products required for a world wide release on the same day. Other companies can because other companies don't have the demand on their numbers (i.e. not as many customers). I am sure Apple would love to be in a position to supply the whole market on release, but reality is no company could. Likewise, it's understandable you wish you were in one of those countries that get in line first, but eh, apparently that's not how it worked out. Is that really all Apple's fault?

The point is, it may be a global market, but there are other factors that do come in to play, so denying that Apple is in fact an American company (as was the point I was initially replying to) is just not realistic.
 
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This is the first time I did not upgrade after my 2-years contract expired. The new iPhone 15 Pro Max feels and looks cheaper than my 12 Pro Max. I was really disappointed and for a slightly better pictures and battery life, I decided is not really worth it. Let's see what they offer next year. Nothing inspires innovation like robust competition.
 
I don't know if Huawei's sudden rise in popularity is because of some kind of patriotic fervor, OR it's more that their hardware is genuinely good and getting better, while Apple's latest smartphone hardware advances boil down to "we switched from stainless steel to titanium, man doesn't that titanium feel so premium? 🤪"
It’s probably more to do with the mate 60 pro innovation.
 
something something invisible hand
Yes?
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IF given the "affordable" APPLE option or ANY CHINESE BRAND SMARTPHONE - almost 99% will choose APPLE brand. Only the 1% CCP will choose their own CCP brand. Don't you guys here act like Apple is so lame or what not. Not one of you would trust a CCP smartphone like Huawei or Xiaomi.
 
I’m tired of this ‘lack of innovation under Tim Apple’ trope. Mobile phones have plateaued, just like laptops. There is not much to be innovated. Flip phones are a new form factor that might catch on, or fade away. Samsung and the like experiment with new form factors in public, Apple in their secret labs, but they are clearly still in the experimental phase. The more mature a product, the harder it is to innovate.

As for losing market share: smart phones are good across the board and Apple does seem to price themselves out of the market. I personally wouldn’t mind them having to focus harder on high end features and dropping the mid-tier market but then again, I don’t run a trillion dollar company😅
the chinese companies r very good with hardware and very aggressive the only reason huawei was banned in 2019 is coz they were killing both appl and samsung internationally. they invented periscope lens. samsung is no match for huawei . but they will never make it big internationally with the os ban. also for huawei to catch up wont happen till 2025 but they will continue to grow. i did consider buying a huawei phone back in 2019 on ebay. but since then google has become very invested in the phones biz and their AI too advanced compared to what huawei has to offer and also the os ban
 
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the chinese companies r very good with hardware and very aggressive the only reason huawei was banned in 2019 is coz they were killing both appl and samsung internationally. they invented periscope lens. samsung is no match for huawei . but they will never make it big internationally with the os ban. also for huawei to catch up wont happen till 2025 but they will continue to grow
LOL no they didnt. After submarines and rifle sights, periscope zoom lenses were used on point and shoot cameras and flip-phones long before Huawei decided to use that long established technology.
 
I’m tired of this ‘lack of innovation under Tim Apple’ trope. Mobile phones have plateaued, just like laptops. There is not much to be innovated. Flip phones are a new form factor that might catch on, or fade away. Samsung and the like experiment with new form factors in public, Apple in their secret labs, but they are clearly still in the experimental phase. The more mature a product, the harder it is to innovate.

As for losing market share: smart phones are good across the board and Apple does seem to price themselves out of the market. I personally wouldn’t mind them having to focus harder on high end features and dropping the mid-tier market but then again, I don’t run a trillion dollar company😅
there is alot of AI innovation happening on phones google has 50x more AI and now samsung will try to match that in a few weeks
 
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Was definitely expecting a drop in iPhone sales after all the restrictions in China last year. Don't think Apple will lose much more market share.
 
there is alot of AI innovation happening on phones google has 50x more AI and now samsung will try to match that in a few weeks
AI that runs on a humongous server in the cloud. Apple has had dedicated ML chips for years on their phones, they were actually first to market. I agree that Apple seems behind with Siri, but the AI games have only just begun… there is no coherent AI driven OS yet. AI is still in the demo-proof-of-concept phase.
 
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