Chinese Automakers Shocked at Apple's Decision to Cancel Car Project

[Alex Cai]

Sadly, this appears to be true. What Apple would have brought to the table was a comprehensive, ecosystem integrated, software approach to the car experience. But since they jettisoned all their design leads and replaced them with the COO I suppose they don’t really have the capability to do that anymore.

The noteworthy thing for Xiaomi's car it that it supports basically every phone to work, including the next generation CarPlay with multiple windows and airplay on the center display.
And Xiaomi makes phones that compete with iPhones at the same time. They could have only allowed Xiaomi phones to work with the car but they are generous and wanted to provide the best experience.

 

[wanha]

The notion Apple can do anything is absurd. They have more than enough trouble dealing with what’s on their plate right now.

You really don't think Apple could have shipped an above average electric car?

 

[wanha]

Apple is seriously way too slow to make projects comes to fruition.

Touch ID under display
Folding devices

Yes, they are not perfect and will never will. Face ID sucked on the 1st devices.

I believe they could make a car, but with their current speed, they will come out in 2100.

Mate, I think Samsung might be THE brand for you.

They had a FaceID copycat out in no time. Who cares that you could use a photo to fool it?

And who cares anyway if a foldable device costs $2000 and the screen is damaged within months of usage?

 

[GrayFlannel]

You really don't think Apple could have shipped an above average electric car?

Not successfully.

 

[Alameda]

You really don't think Apple could have shipped an above average electric car?

I’m certain they can build outstanding cars, if they get over themselves. They don’t need to build the most ultimate amazing car ever, or a $250,000 car or a flying car. Just give us a solid, dependable, affordable, reliable, repairable car, with parts that are easy to obtain and install, intended for longevity and not disposability… and they would be well ahead of everybody else in the business.

An EV with easily repairable and replaceable batteries, instead of one that requires the entire battery system be replaced… that would be an excellent start.

 

[diamond.g]

An EV with easily repairable and replaceable batteries, instead of one that requires the entire battery system be replaced… that would be an excellent start.

Ultium batteries is supposed to be able to do that.

If you don't care about a balanced pack, it should be pretty straight forward to replace cells however you want...

 

[wanha]

Not successfully.

Love the confidence

 

[wanha]

I’m certain they can build outstanding cars, if they get over themselves. They don’t need to build the most ultimate amazing car ever, or a $250,000 car or a flying car. Just give us a solid, dependable, affordable, reliable, repairable car, with parts that are easy to obtain and install, intended for longevity and not disposability… and they would be well ahead of everybody else in the business.

An EV with easily repairable and replaceable batteries, instead of one that requires the entire battery system be replaced… that would be an excellent start.

Steve Jobs and Tim Cook have repeatedly talked about the fact that Apple only enters markets where they can create significant value over what is already there.

When it came to the car and the impossibility of autonomous driving became obvious, my guess is that Apple executives felt like this was a market where Apple wouldn't have the ability to differentiate enough from the market to justify their price premium.

 

[GrayFlannel]

Love the confidence

Apple’s change of course corroborates it.

 

[wonderings]

The problem with EVs in general are the batteries, the charge time and the charging infrastructure. We need much better battery tech where cars can go 500+ miles on an 80% charge, charge from almost empty to 80% in 10 mins and WAYYYYYYY more charging infrastructure. For now, EVs are good for large cities, that's really about it IMO.

I think EV's have a place. Maybe not the best suited for cross country jaunts, though even that you can do it, just have to plan a bit more. City community is ideal, super cheap to run, electricity is cheap compared to petrol, and as others have said you can fill up at home to charge your vehicle. If all my driving was in town, I would not hesitate to go EV.

 

[nt5672]

With all that said, the total environmental impacts of solar and wind power are lowest.

You accepted the propaganda well my friend.

 

[nt5672]

To put it simply, it's because coal mines + coal power plants + EVs convert raw materials to vehicle movement more efficiently than oil wells + oil refineries + gas transportation + ICE vehicles. ICE vehicles are horribly inneficient at converting gas to movement. If you want to see a full breakdown of the math, this is a great video.

The great thing about faulty application of math is that you can make it anything you want, either by bad assumptions or failure to use statistics correctly.

That is why people-in-the-know are projecting that as much as 50% of all scientific studies give the answer that was paid for, not the truth. They also project that over 75% of psychotherapeutic drug efficacy studies cannot be reproduced.

The truth is, for the most part, that science bought and paid for. We've known this since the smoking studies in the 80's. It just amazes me that people do not look behind the published propaganda.

There is no reason to believe that this video is anything more than paid propaganda.

 

[Alameda]

The great thing about faulty application of math is that you can make it anything you want, either by bad assumptions or failure to use statistics correctly.

That is why people-in-the-know are projecting that as much as 50% of all scientific studies give the answer that was paid for, not the truth. They also project that over 75% of psychotherapeutic drug efficacy studies cannot be reproduced.

The truth is, for the most part, that science bought and paid for. We've known this since the smoking studies in the 80's. It just amazes me that people do not look behind the published propaganda.

There is no reason to believe that this video is anything more than paid propaganda.

Based on the "projected people-in-the-know" facts that you just made up, you can just decide that anything you want is true and anything you want is false. Convenient. You don't need to read anything, or study, you just make up whatever you want.

But you could study sources such as NASA and the US Department of Energy, and find reputable facts on subjects such as these.

 

[Surf Monkey]

The great thing about faulty application of math is that you can make it anything you want, either by bad assumptions or failure to use statistics correctly.

That is why people-in-the-know are projecting that as much as 50% of all scientific studies give the answer that was paid for, not the truth. They also project that over 75% of psychotherapeutic drug efficacy studies cannot be reproduced.

The truth is, for the most part, that science bought and paid for. We've known this since the smoking studies in the 80's. It just amazes me that people do not look behind the published propaganda.

There is no reason to believe that this video is anything more than paid propaganda.

Where are you getting that obvious nonsense from?

 

[Beautyspin]

You really don't think Apple could have shipped an above average electric car?

Not one that they can close down and work only within their walled garden. If they depend on profits from car sales, then the car will cost a bomb. They want the profits from the sales and while it is operating too. There lies the problem./s

 

[Mavrick33332]

That's just want they wanted them to believe... 😂

 

[britboyj]

The thing people miss about Gurman is that everything he says is vetted by Apple. If he were actually delivering secret content to the public Apple would have iced him out long ago.

The best lies always contain some truth, and the best news always contains a bit of both.

 

[Sigsgaard]

What a crock, how can EVs be cleaner when you charge them with electricity from gas or coal powered generators and have to mine all of the unsustainable raw materials for the batteries. Propaganda at its peak.

In 2022 81,4% of the electricity used i Denmark came from renewable sources: "The production of electricity based on renewable energy grew in 2022 to 81.4 per cent. of the domestic electricity supply against 71.9 per cent. in 2021. Here, wind power contributed 53.6 per cent, while biomass accounted for 18.9 per cent. and solar energy, hydropower and biogas the remaining 8.8 per cent.", source: The Danish Energy Agency, https://ens.dk/presse/mere-end-80-procent-af-stroemmen-var-groen-i-2022

 

[Surf Monkey]

What a crock, how can EVs be cleaner when you charge them with electricity from gas or coal powered generators and have to mine all of the unsustainable raw materials for the batteries. Propaganda at its peak.

Not every country is stubbornly committed to dirty power sources and I’d submit that the propaganda may be in the content of your post instead.

 

[beermode]

BEV’s margin (Li Motors got) is actually equal to Apple’s current margin

in a select markets. Not this one though.

 

[beermode]

Not every country is stubbornly committed to dirty power sources and I’d submit that the propaganda may be in the content of your post instead.

People really others think sticking to coal, lng, etc are doing because of denial. Maybe if lobbyist didn't corner our governments into accepting clean power that is passed on to the consumer in some way (subsidies don't count, it's just a tax). You want me to accept earth and solar power? Great, why is it unnecessarily passed on to me to double or triple my electric bill?

 

[Surf Monkey]

People really others think sticking to coal, lng, etc are doing because of denial. Maybe if lobbyist didn't corner our governments into accepting clean power that is passed on to the consumer in some way (subsidies don't count, it's just a tax). You want me to accept earth and solar power? Great, why is it unnecessarily passed on to me to double or triple my electric bill?

The what now?

 

[beermode]

That is a very good point. For years we as westerners have gone to China for goods and manufacturing because it is cheap. The company I work for outsource so much to the far east to save money but by doing so we have forced the Chinese to invest massively in innovation and manufacturing capability. I can get just about anything made in China, whether it is a prototype or a finished good, yet if I were to try the same in the UK, it would be a lot harder and a lot more expensive.

We have hit a point where Chinese companies are taking advantage of Western innovation, especially in the car market and producing direct rival products cheaper and we better quality standards and features. Car companies like BMW, Tesla, Polestar and Volvo all manufacture their cars in China now as quality is on par if not better, parts and labour are cheaper and output is higher. I always laugh when people mock Chinese products/cars when the reality is they are a major player and people seem to have no clue or experience in what we as a region have helped create and improve.

Maybe if all the Ford transmissions built in China didn't explode all at once. The same transmissions built in other markets did fine. Stories like this are a small example. Or how factories cherry pick good yields for their markets and sell the rest to others. Or when they actually do steal, multiple times and sell it as their own. Ask me how I know.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Maybe if all the Ford transmissions built in China didn't explode all at once. The same transmissions built in other markets did fine. Stories like this are a small example. Or how factories cherry pick good yields for their markets and sell the rest to others. Or when they actually do steal, multiple times and sell it as their own. Ask me how I know.

Then you have the fact Polestar and Tesla had better QC once they went to China so it’s all relative. Ford automatic transmissions have always been pants to be fair, or at least the ones used in the European market.

I deal with Chinese manufacturers too with my job as a principle automotive engineer, so am well aware of how it works out there. If companies enforce their standards and don’t rely on random manufacturers to go off with free rein, it’s a great place to get things made to a high standard and cheap.

 

[CrysisDeu]

in a select markets. Not this one though.

But it’s an arguably more competitive market