Chinese BEV is on a different level compared to ICE cars. They are a decade ahead of everyone else other than tesla
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Chinese Automakers Shocked at Apple's Decision to Cancel Car Project
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BEV’s margin (Li Motors got) is actually equal to Apple’s current margin
CarOS in cars is enough of a difference.
Good build quality, quality of life hardware innovations is the cherry on top
Yeah and NIO deducted the battery from the purchase price
So, a brand which is already bringing an EV in a short while is shocked that a company that was unable to even develop a prototype after 10 years of dabbling in the EV space spending billions of dollars and has zilch to show for it? Xiomi spent just $1.4 billion for its development. The hubris of Apple fanbois is astounding.
The files must have been useless other than to let them know how "not to make an EV."
The hubris. There are many industries where Apple is not there and the industries are doing fine. Don't try to spin it. Apple tried to develop a car and failed. End of story.
And from where do you think Apple will get its batteries for its EV had it been successful?
How many people, let’s say the average driver persona requires on a daily basis, to go 500 miles. Can’t even go 500 miles on a tank of gas in most ice vehicles.
If you are the type who drives above average miles, get an ice vehicle. My round trip commute to work, 40 miles costs about $1.50 a day to charge with a l2 charger.
Cars are for driving, not for playing music or watching videos. The ecosystem wouldn’t be any help.
And what would carOS offer that would make it an improvement over a typical car with CarPlay?
No offense, but if everyone is asking about this question, then I am sure the average product managers (they are people like you and me) in Apple don’t know and cannot imagine what a CarOS can bring to the table. There are so many things only a full fledged CarOS deeply integrated with the car hardware can do. Carplay in the current state, and the next gen Carplay, is like a baby compared to what Chinese EVs are doing.
I think rather than me telling you, you can take a look at, no, take a deep dive into Xiaomi SU7’s infotainment, and Huawei Wenjie’s infotainment. How they work with your phone/pad, smart home, and how good the new functionality they have with necessary hardware and sensor integration.
It’s not about Apple, I think it’s about all of Americans. I have lived half of my life in China and half in the US. On one side of the internet here, I see people saying they don’t know what Apple brings into the automotive business and Apple should stopped a long time ago. On the other side, Chinese simply don’t understand how can Apple fail at such a simple task of building a car, and how can CarPlay be so bad..
It’s just sad that cars sold in American are… unimaginative.. and banning Huawei and raising import tax on Chinese EVs are only limiting the new stuff Americans can use, learn, and innovate based on
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I’m well aware of the new EVs being announced in China. That’s kind of my point though. Apple can of course make a good infotainment system/IoT integrations if they make a car, but they can also do that by improving CarPlay. Outside of that, there isn’t a lot they can put their touch on by making their own car. They don’t own much of their own EV battery tech nor do they have much in automotive design/manufacturing expertise. I’m saying Apple probably halted development because they didn’t see enough room to add the value to justify the price they wanted to charge, especially compared to the more innovative EVs coming out of China.
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The only example you gave of why Chinese EVs are good is that Xiaomi is supposed to have a killer infotainment system when/if Huawei ships their first model of car(SU7). That car still no announced price…
The Chinese have not stolen anything, Western companies have carried out technology transfer with open eyes when they, out of sheer greed, moved production to China.
There is a gap of functionality that needs tailored hardwares to be achieved. It’s awful to build a system that supports hundreds of screen size and screen layouts. There are so many different sensors, there are so many parts controllable with software. It’s just impossible to implement a great solution. If they care about the software, they need to build the hardware it runs on.
SU7 is from Xiaomi, Huawei ships a lot of cars already. And those are tech companies like Apple. There are plenty of car makers which don’t make sense to be compared.
SU7 will start a lot lower than $50000, compared to the targeted price of $100000, what is the problem here.
Rofl. Ok. Shall I bring up Xiomi's painfully blatent ip theft, oh excuse me, "inspiration" of the iPhone?
It's high time Xiaomi stopped copying Apple iOS
Xiaomi's MIUI started out as a glorified Apple iOS clone, but it's high time for the Chinese brand to develop its own software identity.
www.androidauthority.com
I have plenty more links if you so desire
Anyone dumb enough to fork out $3500 for a vision pro would probably jump at the chance to buy an Apple car.
That is a very good point. For years we as westerners have gone to China for goods and manufacturing because it is cheap. The company I work for outsource so much to the far east to save money but by doing so we have forced the Chinese to invest massively in innovation and manufacturing capability. I can get just about anything made in China, whether it is a prototype or a finished good, yet if I were to try the same in the UK, it would be a lot harder and a lot more expensive.
We have hit a point where Chinese companies are taking advantage of Western innovation, especially in the car market and producing direct rival products cheaper and we better quality standards and features. Car companies like BMW, Tesla, Polestar and Volvo all manufacture their cars in China now as quality is on par if not better, parts and labour are cheaper and output is higher. I always laugh when people mock Chinese products/cars when the reality is they are a major player and people seem to have no clue or experience in what we as a region have helped create and improve.