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I can tell you from my experience, Android is not as polished nor as "organic" as iOS. It's somewhat tedious to deal with and the UI is not as well thought out. Sure, you can customize it with widgets, but it literally takes a second to launch a full-blown app so I never felt the need to clutter my homepages with crippled apps. My homepage was set up pretty much like an iPhone, with a bunch of apps. If you don't set it up that way, you have to tap the apps button to access your apps, adding another layer.

Then there are the little things, like the back button's inconsistent behavior; a major faux pas in UI design. For example, it can take you out of a popup, then back a page within an app, then back to your homepage. Apple's "x" to close popups and back buttons clearly labeled within the app (eg., "playlist") is a much more user-friendly approach. Sometimes, tapping on the back or home button lights them up like they've been activated, but nothing happens; they should be greyed out when unavailable. On my HTC, I also had a menu button that rarely worked which is why Google eventually did away with it.

Using the notification center to see all my activity was never as useful as glancing at my iPhone's homescreen and seeing the badges that immediately tell me I have 3 messages and 11 emails, for example.

Then there are the bugs that required me to reboot regularly and one in particular that made me almost pull out all my hair... I couldn't load web pages and it would happen randomly.

It's not as responsive and the graphics often 'stutter'... much more so than iDevices. This is well documented, and even the latest devices don't feel as buttery smooth as iOS.

As for upgrades, I never received one because Sense UI took up too much memory. And my phone was considered top of the line when I bought it and after only 6 months, my phone wasn't even supported!

So there's a reason why Android comes dead last in every customer satisfaction survey. As for the folks who think Android is all that... the vast majority of them never used anything else so of course it's going to feel revelatory next to a feature phone or blackberry... a good chunk of the Android experience is based on iOS, after all. That said, if you love to tinker and customize every aspect of your device, Android is really good for that.

Thanks for the in dept experience. I can really see the little annoyances and inconveniences of Android that iPhone users take for granted. I think iPhone ESP after hearing about android is really really intuitive and like they say it "just works." No mess, no lag; I couldn't imagine tapping a button to access my apps. That right there is 1 of many deal breakers. Or pull down the notification bar to see my messages and emails haha! I know android folks talk about iPhone UI as being "sooo basic bla bla" but what's the point of a UI with more features but is inconvenient and I'd even say tedious to use on a daily basis....
 
I'm sorry, but fragmentation isn't an issue.

Has anything ever been as fragmented as the IBM PC? And yet it's been so successful.

People are running a number of different Windows OS' on a huge number of different hardware platforms. Different CPUs, different motherboards, different amounts of ram, different graphics cards, different screen sizes, etc.

And yet Apple and OSX, with a limited amount of options never really dented the IBM PC/Windows dominance.

I agree that fragmentation isn't an issue comparatively speaking, for what's proposed with iOS here (an additional PPI device with the same resolution and aspect ratio), but I disagree that the Wintel model fits the same as the mobile device model. The nature of touch screens alone makes a much larger "fragmentation" difference than you would get on a pure command line or mouse/keyboard type of interface. And even though the PC market survived in spite of "fragmentation", that doesn't mean that it wouldn't have been even more successful in certain ways without it.
 
Hmm, I still don't think this is going to happen. I think it would be going against everything Apple stand for concerning iPhone.
 
I am all in on the iPhone 6 .... if this is true.

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Hmm, I still don't think this is going to happen. I think it would be going against everything Apple stand for concerning iPhone.

How is a new form factor going against what Apple stands for?
 
what IS silly is a 5 inch PHONE

Again...your opinion...some will agree..some wont. Just becasue thats how you feel doesn't mean anything.

watching movies?? imac

MY TV

reading books?? ipad

Galaxy Tab

making phone calls and messaging, occasional surfing?? iphone

My galaxy s3

when apple starts making compromises, it will become samsung, and i will be forced to have iphone 5 for the next 5 years

when will people understand that the ONLY reason for this huge screen trend is samsung, etc. inability to compete with apple hardware-wise??


Huh? Makes no sense. Its about OPTIONS. Giving people choices to fit their needs.

i mean come on, koreans making 5 inch phones?? its like they're making xxl condoms or ceilings 4 meters high like in europe - overkill, they are small people. they arent making it because they like it, but because its the only way for them to compete. they cant afford to release a slower device than an iphone, but they would have no option in 4 inch screen confinement. please, look at the size 'evolution' in galaxy s series.

SPECIALIZATION is the best feat of apple. you cant make a device thats good for everything. choose a few things it can do great.
phones arent designed for watching movies...

im sick of geek asian commuters setting the 'trends'

Wow..real nice

s3 popularity?
look at it this way, either you buy an iphone, or a 5 inch brick. there's simply no other option if you want to buy high end device. this so-called huge screen trend is ********. people dont want huge screens, they want high-end devices, and if you dont like apple, ****, youre out of luck.

So....Samsung doesnt have any "high end" devices just because they have larger screens?

and apple knows that.

and why is everyone talking about apple losing market share? they are gaining it, in us and world-wide

I dont care what you or anyone else uses for a phone..tablet...or anything else. I dont care what Apple releases next. I dont own any Apple products anymore. Not because they were garbage...but to ME in MY opinion they got stale. Bored me. So I wanted something different and yeah...with a bigger screen. See thats whats so great...we all have a choice.
 
Oh, it will come.....

Finally broke down and got an iPhone 5 yesterday, I was holding out for the jailbreak. Expect a big beautiful new screen shortly after my return window closes.

You can thank me later. :)
 
Thanks for the in dept experience. I can really see the little annoyances and inconveniences of Android that iPhone users take for granted. I think iPhone ESP after hearing about android is really really intuitive and like they say it "just works." No mess, no lag; I couldn't imagine tapping a button to access my apps. That right there is 1 of many deal breakers. Or pull down the notification bar to see my messages and emails haha! I know android folks talk about iPhone UI as being "sooo basic bla bla" but what's the point of a UI with more features but is inconvenient and I'd even say tedious to use on a daily basis....

Im not here to argue iphone vs android...but the part about accessing your apps....not sure I get it. You can have all your apps on your home page or other pages just like the iphone. You can make folders with apps inside...like the iphone. And yes you also have a draw with your apps if you need. There is no draw back to having the draw of apps. you dont need to use it. Not sure what you guys are talking about.

I guess I have been lucky. I dont have all these stability issues and problems that others say there are with Android
 
Lets face it. The smart phone market is over-saturated, and people have a really good idea of what they want/need now, and many phones offer that. People have choices. Apple eventually expanded their iPod lineup and continuously improved it to offer what the market was trending towards, and they should do the same with the iPhone. A 5" phone isn't a bad thing. More choices are good. I will be switching from iPhone if they don't come out with a bigger screen version soon (as in, the 5s or whatever the next version is needs to have a bigger screen). I love Apple products and wouldn't part with my Macbook or iPad for anything. I want a bigger phone though. If they don't come out with one, no big deal...I'll just switch. I think Apple knows many people feel this way now. It's not a knock against them for sticking to their guns to this point....the iPHone is a heck of a phone. I just think what people want is changing too fast and they are going to have to keep up if they want to retain their customers.
 
Same here--but for those who don't mind the extra size (bad eyesight being a great excuse) I certainly don't mind them adding the option!

I doubt even Apple yet knows whether they'll sell it or not (the 4" iPhone outsells the various mega-phones) but it makes sense to work on it just in case they decide to do it.



Three additions:

• Android gives you a larger number of customizations of the screen you see when you're NOT using your device :p (In other words, not using an app... just looking at the home screen. Hey, we all do that sometimes!)

• Android devices are quickly abandoned by the manufacturer and you stop getting software updates. Even vital security fixes, often.

• Some of Google's own stuff is worse on Android than on iOS (like the Maps app). Not surprising considering that iPhone users are used to better UIs and would crucify Google for UI problems that Android users tolerate. Also not surprising considering that Google makes more money from iOS than from Android.

My wife won an LG Eve in Dec 2009 that came with Version 1.5. The cellular company stated they would update the phone in the new year, then the Spring, and then after Summer 2010 they stopped talking about the update. I had to have a friend with some significant Windows knowledge help me find an update that would work with the phone and he had to use code and some hack to upgrade it to 2.3. When we were finished we discovered the update was in Korean. Just the experience of updates was enough to deter me from ever buying Android.
 
I dont care what you or anyone else uses for a phone..tablet...or anything else. I dont care what Apple releases next. I dont own any Apple products anymore. Not because they were garbage...but to ME in MY opinion they got stale. Bored me. So I wanted something different and yeah...with a bigger screen. See thats whats so great...we all have a choice.

haha sorry but you didnt understand a single thing i said :)
its probably my fault

imac/tv - point being huge screen

ipad/galaxy tab - point being large screen

iphone - PHONE screen

samsung made a huge screen phone because they couldnt compete specs-wise, meaning benchmark scores, battery life etc.

galaxy s3 mini IS an iphone 5 competitor, see the difference between ability of those companies to cramp high-performance components in small space. now imagine iphone 5 with 5 inch screen and its possible performance, given that existing iphone 5 and s3 are neck to neck in performance with better battery life on the iphone. thats an absolute apple victory.

samsung doesnt have 4 inch high-end devices. they cant make one, if they could, they would. basically, iphone 5 has no competitors whatsoever (if you wanna a 4 inch screen).

the way i see that huge screen trend is samsung's inability to compete and thus making workarounds. oled screens and mostly black android ui anyone? see the connection? one could say they are cheating :)

in any case, my apologies
 
I don't get why people are complaining. There are OTHER sizes to suit your needs. There are some users out there that want a larger screen whether you like it or not (not me but others). As long as other screen sizes are available I think it's a good idea.
 
haha sorry but you didnt understand a single thing i said :)
its probably my fault

imac/tv - point being huge screen

ipad/galaxy tab - point being large screen

iphone - PHONE screen

samsung made a huge screen phone because they couldnt compete specs-wise, meaning benchmark scores, battery life etc.

galaxy s3 mini IS an iphone 5 competitor, see the difference between ability of those companies to cramp high-performance components in small space. now imagine iphone 5 with 5 inch screen and its possible performance, given that existing iphone 5 and s3 are neck to neck in performance with better battery life on the iphone. thats an absolute apple victory.

samsung doesnt have 4 inch high-end devices. they cant make one, if they could, they would. basically, iphone 5 has no competitors whatsoever (if you wanna a 4 inch screen).

the way i see that huge screen trend is samsung's inability to compete and thus making workarounds. oled screens and mostly black android ui anyone? see the connection? one could say they are cheating :)

in any case, my apologies

Now I see your points. But again I dont think Samsung needs to make a 4" High End Device. Why? They are doing just fine with the larger screens. I would assume one could say the same for Apple. Why make a larger phone...they are doing just fine. Im not trying to drag Samsung into this. Just wondering why your so against a larger screen if Apple did so
 
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Am I the only one who wished the rumors were going the other way? A return to an outstanding 3.5" device?
 
I don't get why people are complaining. There are OTHER sizes to suit your needs. There are some users out there that want a larger screen whether you like it or not (not me but others). As long as other screen sizes are available I think it's a good idea.

Thank you! Someone who gets it!
 
Can't wait to see Schiller to explain why all of the sudden the 5" is the best screen size after his speach during the iPhone5 event:

"'It is designed to fit in the hand, and all of our software is being updated to take advantage of this display."

It's going to be like listening to the explaination of why the world didn't end in 2012... :)

I doubt that he will state that as it turns out, Samsung had it right from the beginning, and slowly at Apple they realized that bigger is better.

Well, I will tune in for a good laugh.
 
Would love to see a 4" Iphone with 1080p display, 13mp camera rear, 2mp FaceTime camera, NFC, quad core A7 processor and 128gb flash storage!! oh and the fingerprint sensor would be nice too but not too fussed!!
 
Can't wait to see Schiller to explain why all of the sudden the 5" is the best screen size after his speach during the iPhone5 event:

"'It is designed to fit in the hand, and all of our software is being updated to take advantage of this display."

It's going to be like listening to the explaination of why the world didn't end in 2012... :)

I doubt that he will state that as it turns out, Samsung had it right from the beginning, and slowly at Apple they realized that bigger is better.

Well, I will tune in for a good laugh.
HTC had the first 'big screen' phone, not Samsung. Samsung follows, never leads
 
I have an iPhone 5 and I really like it.

Doesn't stop me from buying a 5" iPhone.
 
And that makes Apple what? Will they be spinning it such that you will beleive they were the first with a large phone?

Probably not. Just like they didn't try to claim they were the first to make a small tablet or have a fast user switch mode (that's one time where Jobs explicitly mentioned someone else had it first)
 
Early Upgrade

I've got my 4S and my contract ends in November. How do i know weather to early upgrade to the 5s or wait for a 6 to come out. Basically if i buy a Phone i have to have it the day it comes out otherwise it's too old for me.
 
I just wish they'd offer the old screen size again...

I think 3.5" is the best screen size it's just a phone.5" is too big

Do like I did and get a new 4S. It will easy last you several years and by then we'll be driving Buicks to the Moon anyway.

I bought a 4S rather than a 5, not because the 5 was bigger, but because going only taller really brought nothing new to the table. It was just so Apple could jump the 4" train, though 16:9 in a 4" package is a joke and a half.
 
Now I see your points. But again I dont think Samsung needs to make a 4" High End Device. Why? They are doing just fine with the larger screens. I would assume one could say the same for Apple. Why make a larger phone...they are doing just fine. Im not trying to drag Samsung into this. Just wondering why your so against a larger screen if Apple did so

haha, again, you didnt understand me :)

im saying that this huge screen trend is misinterpretation. im saying that people (majority) dont actually like huge screens but are buying them because of lack of options:

if you wanna go high end you have only two options, apple and 4inch screen and android with its huge screens. get it now?

i curious what would happen if samsung came out with two IDENTICAL phones regarding specs, but one with 4 inch screen and the other with 5 inch screen. which one would sell more? i say the first one, by a huge margin, but thats just my opinion.

hence, apple isnt the one who needs to give a choice, samsung and the others are. so samsung, make a high end phone with a normal, not niche screen size.

so the current huge screen trend is a summary of two things. people dont wanna go apple, but want a high end smartphone. do you understand what im trying to say?

i honestly believe they (apple) wouldnt make any tangible difference in sales if they indeed went bigger

iphone 5 is big for me as it is. i need absolutely and exclusively one hand operation phone.

please tell me, why bigger screen? for what? like we agreed, movies, book reading etc. have their own respective devices...

the only real life application for a huge screen for me is if im bored somewhere, like commuting, in class etc. but i have a car. i work. im not bored. and watching a movie on a 5 inch screen would make my neck, head and eyes hurt.

bigger screen pros are similar to android pros. why is android better? because i can download torrents on it -.- i can watch movies on a bigger screen -.-

i guess steve jobs was right all this time, YOU'RE USING IT WRONG, thats a phone we're talking about

phone with a 5 inch screen is like a laptop with a 21 inch screen, out of order, smth is not right, understand?
 
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