Nice rant. I should trademark 'rant' and slap your a$$ with a lawsuit
JK, you make some valid points. Apple is definitely a trendsetter
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Cisco And Apple Reach iPhone Trademark Agreement
- Thread starter Unspeaked
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
JK, you make some valid points. Apple is definitely a trendsetter
A factual correction like "the iPhone name was used in 1996" would actually be MORE effective in combating the deadly "fan boi" plague if you steer clear of the insults. Facts+insults will always hurt your cause, when facts alone might help it.
Failing that, "Mac zealot" is a good one to throw into the mix
Some people still don't know that the iPhone name is so old, so your bringing that up is a very worthwhile contribution.
It's for trolls too!
eeer...
Well, it's good that RIM didn't trademark iPhone or there would be blood all over.
Rhymes suspiciously with the 1998 iMac
Maybe so, but again you can't trademark iEverything right? A specific word like iPhone, iRan, iRack, iSaw, etc. But the concept all everything with an i in front of it? And even if they could; from what I understand about trademarks its a defend it or loose it situation. There have been plenty of other products out there with i's in front of them and Apple hasn't thrown a hissy fit.
I really think Apple knew they were somewhat hosed in the US and settled.
In this agreement it appears that cisco did get the good end of the agreement, but what Steve wants Steve gets.
I don't come here to start fights either. I would love to debate without the exaggeration - and that what gets on my nerves - "God like Apple" Attitude.
Yes, as I said previously, I may do use the 'Fan Boi" phrase too much - which is name calling - and that is driven by the excess worshipping of Apple, which at some point is not accurate.
We all take **** about using Apple products - especially their computers and OS... when you get a windows user saying "Oh, Apple is a toy OS", when out of the box is far more functional than Windows, for example, you get an development environment shipped with the OS. Far more than you can say about Windows.
Anyway, its bed time.
Happy dreaming about iPhone, iTV and what not!!
Please learn how to spell "boy" correctly. Writing it the way you do just proves your immaturity and ignorance. Moreover, name calling is also a clue to your maturity. Do unto others...right??? However, I must agree with the fact that a blind following in any aspect is not the most healthy thing. One should always be objective. Let's all just get along and be happy that an Apple iPhone will be ours soon.
Cheers!
Apple stock soared today (21 Feb) on analyst confidence despite the lackluster performance of the market overall.
Possibility of the mid-90's when this news hits the fan tomorrow?
Possibility of the mid-90's when this news hits the fan tomorrow?
I don't come here to start fights either. I would love to debate without the exaggeration - and that what gets on my nerves - "God like Apple" Attitude.
Yes, as I said previously, I may do use the 'Fan Boi" phrase too much - which is name calling - and that is driven by the excess worshipping of Apple, which at some point is not accurate.
We all take **** about using Apple products - especially their computers and OS... when you get a windows user saying "Oh, Apple is a toy OS", when out of the box is far more functional than Windows, for example, you get an development environment shipped with the OS. Far more than you can say about Windows.
Anyway, its bed time.
Happy dreaming about iPhone, iTV and what not!!
It's a truce, then. No hard feelings?
LOL...WTF? Ok Apple, Ok Cisco...Let's leave everything as-is we were all just kidding. Ha!
I dont know that it was a marketing ploy, though...I mean honestly, how much exposure did this issue receive in the mainstream? And if it received ample non-mainstream exposure then the people who were reading it were Apple fans to begin with (like me, obviously).
Anyway, can't we push the release date of the iPhone, I want a couple now.
I dont know that it was a marketing ploy, though...I mean honestly, how much exposure did this issue receive in the mainstream? And if it received ample non-mainstream exposure then the people who were reading it were Apple fans to begin with (like me, obviously).
Anyway, can't we push the release date of the iPhone, I want a couple now.
You're joking right? Apple knew all along that they had the upper hand. That's why they went ahead and announced the name even though they didn't have the trademark. Notice that when Apple released the "iTV", Apple was much more careful about the name. With the iPhone, Steve was confident that the name would be kosher.
I don't know what people are saying about Apple "caving in." It sounds to me like they gave up nothing other than letting Cisco share the trademark. "Under the agreement, both companies are free to use the iPhone trademark on their products throughout the world....In addition, Cisco and Apple will explore opportunities for interoperability in the areas of security, and consumer and enterprise communications."
Look, in about a year, Cisco's iPhone will disappear from the market. Really, who other than the geeks who blow their money at Fry's is gonna buy this iPhone thing from Linksys (???). Surely, you must be taking the piss.
This is another Apple Corp issue.. Cisco is waiting for iPhone to get big before it taps on Apple for more dough. Apple again is falling victim just like they did with Beatles..
Oh well... SJ is just too trusting especially those in suits..
Sorry, but is not really true. It borders ignorance, especially if taken into consideration the power of branding..
Imagine Apple doesn't really own the iPod trademark. How would that affect the stability of the business, let alone the brand imagery on the consumer's mind.
If iPhone takes off big, there is nothing (probably) Apple could do but to pay Cisco lots of dough, just like they had to do with Apple Corps..
Oh well... SJ is just too trusting especially those in suits..
Sorry, but is not really true. It borders ignorance, especially if taken into consideration the power of branding..
Imagine Apple doesn't really own the iPod trademark. How would that affect the stability of the business, let alone the brand imagery on the consumer's mind.
If iPhone takes off big, there is nothing (probably) Apple could do but to pay Cisco lots of dough, just like they had to do with Apple Corps..
[snippet]
I'm sorry but that makes no sense to me at all..
You make it sound like Apple will have to pay Cisco cash IF the iPhone becomes popular.
I'm sorry but that makes no sense to me at all..
You make it sound like Apple will have to pay Cisco cash IF the iPhone becomes popular.
One difference is everyone has been calling the Apple iPhone by that name for years, even when it didn't exist yet. I don't know much about US patent law, but couldn't Apple claim the term iPhone is too commonly used already to be trademarked?
I wonder what Apple would prefer, iPhone not being trademarkable by anyone, or having to share the trademark with someone else?
Apple always had the upper hand in this negotiation. The iPhone trademark was either lost or unenforceable. By unenforceable I mean that regardless of whether Apple had official ownership of the trademark, people were going to call the phone that Apple produced an 'iPhone'. It never mattered what Apple actually 'officially' called the phone once Steve got on stage and unofficially called it the 'iPhone'. That's why Cisco had to give in, they had lost already. And by give in, I bet they got almost nothing. The agreement about 'interoperability' will lead to nothing.
Regarding the iWhatever, Apple isn't really an innovation company. They take what other people do, make it better and popularize it. The GUI? Done by PARC, but made useable by Apple. The all-in-one computer? Hell, done by Osbourne in the early 80's, made popular by Apple. Laptop computers? I'd argue that Powerbooks started a huge upswing in their use. The list goes on. Same story with iWhatever. They weren't the first, but they made it popular and spread it's use to a point where it's ubiquitous where previously it was just some just some silly people putting 'i' in front of things.
Regarding the iWhatever, Apple isn't really an innovation company. They take what other people do, make it better and popularize it. The GUI? Done by PARC, but made useable by Apple. The all-in-one computer? Hell, done by Osbourne in the early 80's, made popular by Apple. Laptop computers? I'd argue that Powerbooks started a huge upswing in their use. The list goes on. Same story with iWhatever. They weren't the first, but they made it popular and spread it's use to a point where it's ubiquitous where previously it was just some just some silly people putting 'i' in front of things.
T for troll
As much as I like that you are not a fan boi and try to be practical, but your excessive negative attitude towards these forums says one thing - There is one "t" in Stella that stands for Troll; and one T is quite enough in all the forums to run everyone to anger. I think you can disagree but you don't need to pass insults on others. Disagree and yet pass your accurate information to others as to be informative without arousing someone to the cock-fight and don't be negative about each and every comment almost everywhere! And if you think that the discussion derives you to a point to get past your normal senses, just leave the forum! Remember again, one T is quite enough!
BTW, how old are you!
Sorry for offending you with this, but I think you should correct your attitude a little bit as much as many apple worshippers here should also. By all means, be an Apple admirer (but please not a worshipper).
As much as I like that you are not a fan boi and try to be practical, but your excessive negative attitude towards these forums says one thing - There is one "t" in Stella that stands for Troll; and one T is quite enough in all the forums to run everyone to anger. I think you can disagree but you don't need to pass insults on others. Disagree and yet pass your accurate information to others as to be informative without arousing someone to the cock-fight and don't be negative about each and every comment almost everywhere! And if you think that the discussion derives you to a point to get past your normal senses, just leave the forum! Remember again, one T is quite enough!
BTW, how old are you!
Sorry for offending you with this, but I think you should correct your attitude a little bit as much as many apple worshippers here should also. By all means, be an Apple admirer (but please not a worshipper).
o really ...at least i didnt remember any of it come before the iMac..
Now its too much!!! I even thought the i prefix was dead in marketing a product...
Am I the only one who thinks Apple allowed the lawsuit to strong arm Cingular into allowing VOIP apps?
Apple didn't need to call it the iPhone any more than they needed iTV. Maybe they were fighting the lawsuit because they didn't want the Cisco phone associated with Apple-- but I have a feeling it was so they could go back to Cingular and say "branding is important to the iPhone and the only way we can keep it is to interoperate with Cisco VOIP bridges"...
Apple didn't need to call it the iPhone any more than they needed iTV. Maybe they were fighting the lawsuit because they didn't want the Cisco phone associated with Apple-- but I have a feeling it was so they could go back to Cingular and say "branding is important to the iPhone and the only way we can keep it is to interoperate with Cisco VOIP bridges"...
You do? Why? If anything it's the reverse. People see Apple users as elitists. People who insist on the best of everything types. I find that PC users just assume these days that Apple computers are somehow magical media creation machines and that all the great minds use them, blah, blah, blah.
They both achieve the same task in exactly the same way. I find the mac's industrial design and software design to simply be more elegant and useable and I'm willing to pay for it, just so I don't have to stress over crappy software design, hardware incompatibility, and viruses.
Who thinks Apple is a toy? That's just a bizzare absurd statement.