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Regarding the iWhatever, Apple isn't really an innovation company. They take what other people do, make it better and popularize it. The GUI? Done by PARC, but made useable by Apple. The all-in-one computer? Hell, done by Osbourne in the early 80's, made popular by Apple. Laptop computers? I'd argue that Powerbooks started a huge upswing in their use. The list goes on. Same story with iWhatever. They weren't the first, but they made it popular and spread it's use to a point where it's ubiquitous where previously it was just some just some silly people putting 'i' in front of things.

Now that is hitting the nail on the head...

Apple are good at taking concepts and combining them into things that "just work" with some inovative product design.

In many ways MicroSoft is the same - except they drop words like "inovative". "work", and "design".
 
iPhone by tuesday?

I think some people in the forum, just make statements of being a "fun boy" or a blind loyalist on a jokingly matter, not really being a pure die-hard, Apple loving followers. Or, simply, they just want YOU to react blindly...
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You do? Why? If anything it's the reverse. People see Apple users as elitists. People who insist on the best of everything types. I find that PC users just assume these days that Apple computers are somehow magical media creation machines and that all the great minds use them, blah, blah, blah.

They both achieve the same task in exactly the same way. I find the mac's industrial design and software design to simply be more elegant and useable and I'm willing to pay for it, just so I don't have to stress over crappy software design, hardware incompatibility, and viruses.

Who thinks Apple is a toy? That's just a bizzare absurd statement.

I hate the word 'elitist'. Does caring about things like good typography, appropriate imagery, and usability make me an elitist? If you ever bring the subject of typography up in a business meeting, you immediately get labeled an elitist. Perhaps being an elitist is a good thing. I'm an elitist because I care. "Look, I'm sorry that you don't care about quality, and that because I do care about quality you feel inferior."

That wasn't directed at you, I completely agree with what you said.
 
They saw off Apple Corps so this was hardly likely to be any more than a small stumbling block
 
So now we have to call them both the iPhone?

Does anyone else think that's dumb. :rolleyes:

Yes.

Other terms of the agreement remain confidential.

What I'm surprised with is that it doesn't seem like anyone is speculating as to whether or not there was a monetary agreement reached. Apple apparently ended up paying Apple Corp to get rights to the name Apple. Is there any reason to believe Apple, in addition to "explor[ing] opportunities for interoperability" didn't also agree to pay Cisco a monetary sum, or a % of Apple's iPhone sales, etc.? Cisco was first to release a product with that name, after all.

Anyway I'm glad there will be no more legal action about the dispute, but both companies using iPhone seems to me like both sides lost, not that both sides won.
 
Apple is a bully. :p

I think I agree. Although probably the technical aspects of the matter were not as complicated and a compromise could be reached in one way or antoher, what Steve did in January with the iphone was a mini-coup.

But yeah it's business after all.
 
The thing that's funny about this is, if you go into an Apple store and ask for an iPhone, they're not going to ask you "which one?"

Same thing goes for a Cingular store (assuming the iPhone is sold through them).

But where will you Cisco's "iPhone" and, honestly, who's gonna buy it with all the other similar phones out there? For Cisco, it's effectively a dead name.
 
iPoodOverZune said:
Did you know PC is an acronym for Piece of Crap!

huh, interesting, I clearly remembered someone on this forum seriously taught me "mac is PC (so called personal computer) too", are you saying mac is crap?

sometimes respecting your opponent is a virtue, especially when you have only 5% market, may help you find out why u are not doing good in the market.
 
Now that is hitting the nail on the head...

Apple are good at taking concepts and combining them into things that "just work" with some inovative product design.

In many ways MicroSoft is the same - except they drop words like "inovative". "work", and "design".

I agree, Apple is an "innovating company", even with the iPhone (to stay close to this thread) they stated that they "re-invented" it.

Apple has a few inventions to it's name, but mostly innovations, and a lot of market firsts , the GUI was not a commercial product until the Macintosh to my knowledge, and I'm not sure, but Apple was close if not , the first with a true PDA (NEwton) , that boosted handwriting recognition.

The portable Macs discussed in the other post, could very well be the final answers to PDA's, i can see the headlines: Apple Re Invents the Newton :)
 
Personally it sounds as if Steve caved. Who does this agreement benefit more? Apple or Cisco?

As someone who makes his living doing care and feeding of Cisco hardware, I feel obliged to suggest that this agreement could be potentially quite beneficial to both companies. Many here may not even be aware of Cisco's dominant position in the world of network hardware. It's not really an exaggeration to say that the Internet runs on Cisco.

Many areas exist where collaboration between the companies could yield improved products and features. For example, something I'm working with now: Network Access Control (Network Admission Control in Cisco parlance). Providing better support for this in MacOS X could make the already strong security story in Macs more compelling to businesses as they try to improve their network security stance. Conversely, failing to address this risks marginalization since you can bet Microsoft is working on NAC OS hooks.

That's just one example. The world of IP telephony is another, obviously. VPNs. On and on...

Apple can benefit by improved support for their products in the network closets that Cisco more or less owns (think wireless VOIP from your iPhone on corporate LANs as well as at home on your Linksys access point). Cisco can benefit by increased corporate visibility to ordinary users, by gaining momentum for initiatives such as NAC, and increased sales of gear blessed by both companies in their collaboration.

I think it's win-win. The month+ of controversy and free publicity for each didn't hurt either.
 
As much as I like that you are not a fan boi and try to be practical, but your excessive negative attitude towards these forums says one thing - There is one "t" in Stella that stands for Troll; and one T is quite enough in all the forums to run everyone to anger. I think you can disagree but you don't need to pass insults on others. Disagree and yet pass your accurate information to others as to be informative without arousing someone to the cock-fight and don't be negative about each and every comment almost everywhere! And if you think that the discussion derives you to a point to get past your normal senses, just leave the forum! Remember again, one T is quite enough!
BTW, how old are you!
Sorry for offending you with this, but I think you should correct your attitude a little bit as much as many apple worshippers here should also. By all means, be an Apple admirer (but please not a worshipper).

I have to agree with this. Stella you have had a number of valid points but the way in which you bring them across to people is rude, agressive and in peoples faces. This leads to people not wanting to listen or agree with you because you appear to them to be a p***k!

Almost every thread i have seen you in you have had this attitude and casue friction. There are better ways to put your valid and often factually correct points across, please use them.
 
But oh Jesus...If those microsoft Bast***s ever push anyone around again...so help me!:D :p

But apple can do what it wants. I like them better.:p



Nothing against you Shard, I agree, I just think it's funny that we all freak out at Microsoft for bullying but the times apple does the same thing, myself included, think of it as great business...lol
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When a company with a 95% market share does it it is slightly different one could argue.

Most times the criticism of MS 'bullying' is when it simply rips off another product such as: Mac UI, Netscape, Java, (make your own list here) and rolls them into its user-base by inclusion in its OS thus crushing the original product.

I don't see the Cisco and Apple 'run in' over a trade mark as remotely similar.
 
Stella, I'm sorry, but I just have to ask: If you're not a "fan boi" why are you on this forum?

I have asked Stella this so many times (after an anti Mac or pro PC tirade) I have lost count. He flat out denies being a Troll so I have to believe he doesn't think he is. Personally I think he is a poor misunderstood, confused soul. He should be given the URL of a nice friendly PC forum where he can slag off Apple and Apple enthusiasts and drink Belgian beer in Canada in peace :)
 
This is awesome news! Even if they do have to share the "iPhone" brand, all is good.
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Is the PhotoDVD thing a joke? You are advertising 'you make a DVD with pics and music' on a Mac forum? I have to assume it is ... good one! ROFL .
 
I don't like this, not because I feel Apple gave up to much or anything
I just like (A)Phone much much more.
 
They should've just called it a Newton and put a colored classic Apple logo on it. That would've been sweet. Heck I'd buy one just because of that :D

Glad this legal hubbub is over, though I wonder what this whole "exploring" interoperability and so forth is all about. Perhaps a free VOIP phone with every Mac :p
 
Regarding the iWhatever, Apple isn't really an innovation company. They take what other people do, make it better and popularize it.
You say "they take what other people do, make it better and popularize it" all in one breath and trivialize Apple to such a degree it's not even funny. For your infotainment, Apple does not "popularize" their products, the consumer does. We do it with our wallets. Did Apple "popularize" The Cube? No. If it was as simple as you make it sound, they sure as hell would have.

No. What Apple does of late (especially the iPod) is take the MP3 player, which had a very modest presence in the marketplace and builds it into a device that now accounts for about half its revenue. It intergrates perfectly with their online music store which again, while not the first, has grown into by far the largest ever, selling an amount of music, tv shows, movies, books and music videos that would have seemed a mere pipedream just 5 years ago.

And let's consider the iPod 2001 -- 5GB, monocrome screen, played music only, had the most modest calendar and sold for $399. Was Apple afraid to release such an "expensive" product? No. The press went wild about its expense but the public said (with their wallets) "this is worth the price". Skip, skip, skip ahead... and the iPhone is starting to be released amongst the same price negativity. It's going to be interesting.

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We all know what competition is. Competition is many companies in the same business, all with roughly the same product. Pros and cons abound and from advertising, positive word of mouth and proper comparison, the consumer makes his choice. What very few companies are able to do is design such a product that while there exists "competition", in essence, there really isn't due to the overwhelming success of the company on top. I have a hard time thinking of any one company who has such a breakaway product in their prospective field that mirrors Apple's success with their music player. It's that rare.

[Edit: One obvious overwhelming success story is Microsoft. With 95% of the computers running their OS, they essentially have no competition. Odd that they seem to be always playing catch-up with Apple.]

In this day and age, it's all about "building a better mouse trap", which I suppose is MAX1P-speak for "taking what other people do and make it better and popularize it." Until we can learn how to make things invisible or teleport things through the air by breaking down their molecules, the inventors of this world are pretty much stuck with taking what other people do and making it better.

About Inventors. said:
Thomas Edison's greatest challenge was the development of a practical incandescent, electric light. Contrary to popular belief, he didn't "invent" the lightbulb, but rather he improved upon a 50-year-old idea. link
Yep... Thomas Edison copied. It was a 50-year old idea. But, thank God he did.

But I actually think you're mistaken on this point. I think that Apple is plenty inventive. And so would the U.S. Patent office.
 
Honestly, I would not be a bit surprised if Apple and Cisco weren't yelling at each other in the restaurant whilst holding hands and playing footsy under the table. All of this rigomoroll in the press about the suit has been nothing but free publicity for both companies. It would not surprise me if the iPhone was released soon ahead of schedule with this news helping to get it back in the news right before the big "drop".
 
Here's one solution...

I have asked Stella this so many times (after an anti Mac or pro PC tirade) I have lost count. He flat out denies being a Troll so I have to believe he doesn't think he is. Personally I think he is a poor misunderstood, confused soul. He should be given the URL of a nice friendly PC forum where he can slag off Apple and Apple enthusiasts and drink Belgian beer in Canada in peace :)
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