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Cities Skylines II

maflynn said:
As mentioned on of the bigger YTers that produce Cities:skyline content provide a response to the new

A lot of the video is him reading the forum post that details the split.
He added some thoughts however
  • IceFlake Studios has a very small game catalog on steam, though they do have one survivor type game.
  • Colossal order has not done a very good job at rolling out patches, they don't even have the console version of the game out two years ago, and still no console.
  • People have abandoned the game, and the publisher may be looking to inject new life and a different perspective.
  • IceFlake studio is basically looking to hire an entire team, so updates after the ones in the pipeline will come to a screeching halt.
As I ruminate on this news, it feels like the publisher had little choice, but I think the game itself is fundamentally broken. They wanted a simulator game that went down to each sim living in the city, I remember a lot of the performance issues was related to the game drawing teeth and other things on each sim.

tbh, I think this could be death-knell of the game. Fans have been waiting, hoping and being patient, but the publisher is now telling its players to be patient yet again. The game came out in 2023 may be asking for more time, may be asking too much at this point
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CO went too big for C:S2. Last time I played the game was wildly CPU limited. It is a shame for sure. Supposedly this new game is poised to be a replacement.
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Citystate Metropolis on Steam

The creative, pragmatic, limitless city builder. Engineer a masterpiece of urban design, a small sustainable town or a futuristic metropolis. With procedurally generated buildings, grid-less zoning and powerful editor tools, everything is customizable: the city is yours.
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Of course take that with grain of salt.
 
diamond.g said:
CO went too big for C:S2. Last time I played the game was wildly CPU limited. It is a shame for sure. Supposedly this new game is poised to be a replacement.
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I agree, and personally my play style with sim games is really at the macro level, not the micro, which CS 2 is.

I will also say Paradox has been shooting themselves in the foot with nearly every game launch these past few years.
 
maflynn said:
I agree, and personally my play style with sim games is really at the macro level, not the micro, which CS 2 is.

I will also say Paradox has been shooting themselves in the foot with nearly every game launch these past few years.
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Quarterly reports are a heckova drug.
 
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diamond.g said:
store.steampowered.com

Citystate Metropolis on Steam

The creative, pragmatic, limitless city builder. Engineer a masterpiece of urban design, a small sustainable town or a futuristic metropolis. With procedurally generated buildings, grid-less zoning and powerful editor tools, everything is customizable: the city is yours.
store.steampowered.com store.steampowered.com
Of course take that with grain of salt.
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I've read good things about this game, and its on my short list to try, though its still at early access which I tend to avoid.
diamond.g said:
Quarterly reports are a heckova drug.
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They admitted that when it came to the CS 2 launch, and promised to do better, but they have not.
 
Plutonius said:
I could be worse.

Look at Ubisoft who didn't release their quarterly report and suspended trading.
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It couldn't have happened to a bigger bunch of scumbags nicer company.

Old news, but worth a reminder

arstechnica.com

Ubisoft’s “most powerful creative force” resigns in wake of sweeping allegations

CCO Serge Hascoet is out. So are the global head of HR, head of Canadian studios.
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arstechnica.com

Former Ubisoft executives reportedly arrested over sexual assault allegations

Police action comes years after allegations and a wave of company departures and firings.
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Non-Euclidean said:
It couldn't have happened to a bigger bunch of scumbags nicer company.

Old news, but worth a reminder

arstechnica.com

Ubisoft’s “most powerful creative force” resigns in wake of sweeping allegations

CCO Serge Hascoet is out. So are the global head of HR, head of Canadian studios.
arstechnica.com arstechnica.com

arstechnica.com

Former Ubisoft executives reportedly arrested over sexual assault allegations

Police action comes years after allegations and a wave of company departures and firings.
arstechnica.com arstechnica.com
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If there was only a way to keep publishers small and not publicly traded.
 
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A bit more perspective - I like this YTer who offers some insider insights

So it seems that Paradox has done this a couple of times already (fired the developing studio) and each time they've tried, it has failed spectacularly. I don't see a development studio who doesn't even the people in place to work on the game to hit the ground running and/or succeeding.

At one point do they just give up trying to produce a console game?

 
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Linus Tech Tips recently posted a video featuring a Threadripper Pro 9995X system (and RTX Pro 6000 96GB, and a terabyte of RAM), and they tried C: S2 on it. It still chugged at 1080p..... OTOH, it ran five instances of Cyberpunk 2077 just fine...and Cinebench in the background!
 
maflynn said:
Wow

That has to tell you that something is fundamentally wrong wit the game, it was only consuming 30% cpu.
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I don't think the game took advantage of multiple threads like it was supposed to. Performance did not scale with resolution. And with the main team no longer working on it, who knows if it will ever get fixed.
 
diamond.g said:
I don't think the game took advantage of multiple threads like it was supposed to. Performance did not scale with resolution. And with the main team no longer working on it, who knows if it will ever get fixed.
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I'm sure, but they're also trying to simulate to a level that's not feasible, an easy example that I've mentioned before is the game was trying to draw the teeth (hair and other things) for each sim. Its a city simulator, we don't need to see the pearly whites of each sim in the game.

Cities Skylines 2 players expose high-poly teeth as the reason for performance issues
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maflynn said:
I'm sure, but they're also trying to simulate to a level that's not feasible, an easy example that I've mentioned before is the game was trying to draw the teeth (hair and other things) for each sim. Its a city simulator, we don't need to see the pearly whites of each sim in the game.

Cities Skylines 2 players expose high-poly teeth as the reason for performance issues
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I remember seeing that. I am surprised unity's render still sends that stuff to the gpu to be rendered (or that gpu's aren't culling the overdraw in z-buffer passes).
 
As Adam puts it in the video, 'it seems so broken at a core level…that it'll never run properly'. Or as Linus says, 'A hot pile of city'.
 
I seem to remember watching a video where they were talking saying part of the problem is the rendering pipeline, as it tries to render everything at full detail including all the cims regardless of zoom level
 
Kimbie said:
as it tries to render everything at full detail including all the cims regardless of zoom level
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The question is why? Why design so much detail on the sims, where their hair and teeth have to be taken into account.

I think I've said this before, but Paradox has replaced developers on projects before and the game never recovered (or was released). the game was released in 2023, with the console version being scheduled for a 2024 release. This isn't a no mans sky, or cyberpunk situation at this point
 
I haven't seriously picked up the game in a long time, but I watched this YTer's 10 fixes for 2026 and I'm simply shocked at some of the simple and QOL stuff that is missing in a game that was released in 2023

The fact that they have tree lifespans, i.e., they grow, live, and die, and then start out as saplings again, shows why the performance is horrible.

 
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